Are the Days of Walking a DVC Reservation Numbered?

[JulieBeeRN]

Oh I see what you're saying. They can take 1 point per night off the standard view studios for one season maybe, and add that bundle of points to club level through the year. It might end up being an extra 5 points per night for the entire year. Someone who is good at math could calculate that. Yeah that makes sense.

 

[tx911]

This is clearly not true. If people are walking, they leave rooms behind that can be swept up in a waitlist or by stalking. Or, even by the not-entirely-on-the-ball owner who just happens to look for a room at exactly the right time.

I use this same trick to get both morning and afternoon parking passes at Haēna State Park on Kauai. Passes are "blocked" while people decide whether or not to buy them, and get returned to inventory after the hold expires.

If my desired week and the final destination week of a walker are the same, the walker has a huge advantage in getting that week, unless I am also walking it.

 

[JOLT]

If my desired week and the final destination week of a walker are the same, the walker has a huge advantage in getting that week, unless I am also walking it.

But I thought everyone was walking the reservations at 11 months not just 1 walker.

 

[Sandisw]

No question that there are room categories at some resorts that you will have very little chance of getting at 11 months if you aren't walking. Some only at certain times of year, others year-round.

The core of this argument is whether all owners deserve equal opportunity to book rooms. If some walk and some don't, the walkers have an advantage.

The only scenarios in which all owners have equal opportunity are everyone walking or no one walking.

The only real way to make it 100% equal for every owner is day by day booking. As long as you have the plus X rule, someone gets access to a room before someone else.

All owners who go November 1st to 8th have an advantage over owners who go November 3rd to 10th..

The difference is people feel that advantage counts.

 

[AstroBlasters]

Why do you think that in a two party contract only one party gets to decide what it means? It’s actually the courts that get to decide when there is not an agreement between the two parties.

As long as the party bringing suit has to pay the legal fees of the lose for clogging up the court system with frivolous suits….

 

[jennypenny]

This thread got kinda confrontational. I get that (like the rental thread) there's no right answer -- some people feel as long as it's within the rules it's ok while others feel it violates the spirit of the rules -- but why be rude about it? Happy Holidays and all that.

 

[Cyberc1978]

If my desired week and the final destination week of a walker are the same, the walker has a huge advantage in getting that week, unless I am also walking it.

So?
You had the same opportunity to walk as well. If you decide not to it’s your choice.

All owners have the same equal opportunities.

 

[Tatebeck]

The only real way to make it 100% equal for every owner is day by day booking. As long as you have the plus X rule, someone gets access to a room before someone else.

All owners who go November 1st to 8th have an advantage over owners who go November 3rd to 10th..

The difference is people feel that advantage counts.

True, they are just trying to balance how much possible booking advantage is worth how much booking convenience

 

[lowlight]

As long as the party bringing suit has to pay the legal fees of the lose for clogging up the court system with frivolous suits….

Without frivolous lawsuits how would lawyers pay for their DVC points? It’s pretty much the backbone of the legal industry.

 

[Genie+]

Game on! No problem rolling into infinity.




8am is a pretty good window for me so hopefully it won’t be too long until I am able to secure a reservation at 11 months in a whichever challenging category I think most likely for us. If I end up switching to another room, no harm. Until then keep rolling the reservation through 2026 until we make a final decision. I can do our VGF week by week. Our BWV has a harder time year round doing week by week. Best bet is to match BW to my VGF schedule then add a second separate flip each week.

 

[lowlight]

Game on! No problem rolling into infinity.

I was being serious when I said I hope they put a big popup on the booking screen telling everyone to walk and exactly how to do it. I truly do hope every person knows about and starts walking whether they need it or not. It’s the quickest way to fix it, implosion.

 

[dvcsince93]

“pervert the intended use of the membership for personal gain”

I’m sorry…. I just think the rhetoric is a bit comical. This is a Disney timeshare system we are talking about…. no one is going to be increasing their net worth or causing other people to go hungry or not be able to feed or clothe their family because of walking FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE.

I want to distinguish that from commercial spec renting.

so commercial spec renting is causing people to go hungry or be able to feed or clother their family?

 

[Pooh12863]

Game on! No problem rolling into infinity.

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8am is a pretty good window for me so hopefully it won’t be too long until I am able to secure a reservation at 11 months in a whichever challenging category I think most likely for us. If I end up switching to another room, no harm. Until then keep rolling the reservation through 2026 until we make a final decision. I can do our VGF week by week. Our BWV has a harder time year round doing week by week. Best bet is to match BW to my VGF schedule then add a second separate flip each week.

Don't try crossing your use year.

 

[Chuck S]

I noticed that someone in the comments said (or I interpreted it as) she remembered a time when you could only book one day at a time at 11 months, meaning that for a 14 day reservation, you'd have to reserve 14 times! But I don't remember that situation, and we've been members since 2002, long before you could book on-line. Do I have a bad memory? Does anyone else remember that?

She may have been referring to not being able to book a multi-day reservation right at the 11 month mark, because we were supposed to book 11 months from the check-out day, so if you tried to start booking 11 months before check-in day, yes, you had to book one day at a time. I always just waited until check-out day and never had a problem, but if you had issues, like some members were reporting even years ago, Member Services did recommend calling every day for hard to book rooms. But it was not part of the official booking rules that you had to book one day at a time.

 

[Tatebeck]

Don't try crossing your use year.

No, you can, you just have to make a phone call. They are good to go

 

[Genie+]

I was being serious when I said I hope they put a big popup on the booking screen telling everyone to walk and exactly how to do it. I truly do hope every person knows about and starts walking whether they need it or not. It’s the quickest way to fix it, implosion.

That’s kind of the answer for Commercial Renting too. Use any excess points on the highest profit margin room(s) via Spec Reservation. Can’t beat em, join em while we still can.

 

[Sandisw]

I don't think anyone expects to be guaranteed a specific room type at 11 months every time they want it.

What I do expect is to have the same chance of scoring the room I want as every other owner. A portion of the ownership pool walking destroys that equal footing. And "everyone walk" is obviously not an answer.

There are only 2 ways every owner is on equal footing at 11 months. Everyone walking, or no one walking.

But, you do have the same chance as every other owner to book a room that is there when you log in.

The difference is that some want to ensure that the qualifier that only those who actually want to show up thst day are entitled to book the rooms.

And, that is my concern…I don’t want to give DVC more power to set “qualifiers” in what gives an owner the right to book…because while it might change the walking practice, it might change things that have nothing to do with it.

I mean…there are owners who book an extra night before they arrive because they don’t want to have to wait until 4 pm? Could that be stopped?

What about the owner who books a full week at 11 months because they don’t know which night they will check in? And adjust it months later when their dates are confirmed? Could that be stopped?

How about the teacher who can’t book at 8 am on their check in day so books on Sunday so they have their room? Could that me stopped?

I know…these are not walking but the rooms are being taken for a night that the owner knows they don’t plan to use.

That is why I believe DVC is going to be very cautious to change rules because of situations like this.

As I said earlier, I am indifferent to walking because I do not feel that it is against the written rules. I have made the choice not to do it because it’s more work than just booking PV if I have to and waitlist/stalk to get the “resort view”

 

[dvcsince93]

Game on! No problem rolling into infinity.

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8am is a pretty good window for me so hopefully it won’t be too long until I am able to secure a reservation at 11 months in a whichever challenging category I think most likely for us. If I end up switching to another room, no harm. Until then keep rolling the reservation through 2026 until we make a final decision. I can do our VGF week by week. Our BWV has a harder time year round doing week by week. Best bet is to match BW to my VGF schedule then add a second separate flip each week.

I don't understand why the questions are all hedged to look like they may not be walking.

To really guage DVC's sentiment, ask:

I want a reservation for next December but I am afraid I won't be able to get it at 11 months. Can I reserve the room I want starting in July and then walk it week by week until I get to December?

 

[tx911]

So?
You had the same opportunity to walk as well. If you decide not to it’s your choice.

All owners have the same equal opportunities.

Once again, I’m totally fine with walking if you wanna make that the defined way of making reservations. Just make sure every owner knows about it. If they decide not to do it at that point, then they can live with that. The way it works right now is not on the up and up, and I think the walkers know that.

 

[Genie+]

I don't understand why the questions are all hedged to look like they may not be walking.

To really guage DVC's sentiment, ask:

I want a reservation for next December but I am afraid I won't be able to get it at 11 months. Can I reserve the room I want starting in July and then walk it week by week until I get to December?

Looks like it’s your turn to chat lol. Good question!