Are the Days of Walking a DVC Reservation Numbered?

[Pooh12863]

If ya can’t beat ‘em, join ‘em.

Is that the answer? If I join, might as well do the method of maximum flexibilty.

Do I like walking? No
Do I think it's cheating? Yes
Do I do it. Yes

"Adapt to the existing situation or circumstances you are in, following the established norms and guidelines, even if they are not explicitly stated or ideal to you; essentially, "go with the flow" and act according to the unwritten rules of the environment you're currently in."

 

[TCRAIG]

What if They originally booked Booked Nov 18th for 7 days. Then they modified to Nov 20th for 7 days, then Nov 21st for 7 days then continued on until they had the week of Christmas? That's the easy and simple way to kill it. In that example, with nearly daily modifications it's pretty easy to see the original intent wasn't the 18th of November, epecially if they started 11 months +7 for that original booking.

What if only booked Nov 18 for 6 days or 5 days or (if you look how people really are walking) just 1 day.

 

[Tatebeck]

What if They originally booked Booked Nov 18th for 7 days. Then they modified to Nov 20th for 7 days, then Nov 21st for 7 days then continued on until they had the week of Christmas? That's the easy and simple way to kill it. In that example, with nearly daily modifications it's pretty easy to see the original intent wasn't the 18th of November, epecially if they started 11 months +7 for that original booking.

Exactly. And in the end it doesn't matter what your actual intent was, just what Disney perceives your intent to be. They get to be the judge on whether or not you were skirting how their system is supposed to work.

They could clear most of this up immediately by adding a statement in the rules that clarifies:
"You are not to book a reservation yet if what you expect will be the final check in day for that reservation is not yet within 11 months. Any reservations found to have been made in this manner may be subject to cancellation, with your points refunded as appropriate, as determined by DVC"

Then have it pop up in their system to look at a reservation if it reaches a certain number of modifications. The more modifications have been done, the higher up it is on their list and the more likely it will be to be cancelled.

Set it like a speed limit. You can go a bit over, and will probably be fine if it is within an understandable amount. If you try to go way too fast and get caught, you pay the price.

No need to change how booking is handled at all in the online system if they did that. They may never even need to cancel a reservation, just the thought of it would help curb walking

 

[Brian Noble]

For the record, I don't think it is all that important to be able to modify a reservation once you've made it, without having to cancel and rebook. Wyndham worked that way for years, and it was fine. Yes, you had to plan around booked dates sometimes, but that's why it is called "planning" a vacation.

Even now, Wyndham owners don't get unlimited modifications: +/- three days on each end, and only one shot to make any changes before it's final. That probably covers 90% of all of the legit use cases.

 

[Genie+]

Do I like walking? No
Do I think it's cheating? Yes
Do I do it. Yes

"Adapt to the existing situation or circumstances you are in, following the established norms and guidelines, even if they are not explicitly stated or ideal to you; essentially, "go with the flow" and act according to the unwritten rules of the environment you're currently in."

Yep.

Walkers are taking a further step. When join in I’m going to take an even further step out lol.

 

[Cyberc1978]

The system can't provide equal footing. For example, this is why high-frequency traders used to rent space at the Baby Bell switching stations: they had lower latency to the Internet backbone, and hence the markets. (Now they can just co-locate explicitly near the markets---for the right price.)

That does not compare to a DVC booking.

I’m located in Europe and I’m able to book BWV resort view and AKV value. If latency really ment anything here I wouldn’t be able to get any reservations at 8am but yet i am.

IMO all owners have equal opportunities, but maybe not all owners wants to put in the efforts to secure a reservation during a very high demand time.

 

[jparilla]

If you simply require any reservation modifications to include ONE of the days from the original reservation, walking would be limited to only 1 week long.

Does that not solve the issue for the most part?

 

[Sandisw]

Why, give me one good reason a member should have to alter their plans just to support walking?

Why should any members lose their ability to change the dates if their reservations or be limited to changes when they don’t walk?

 

[Leight19]

I have to admit it-that is a great job of deflecting. Unfortunately, even a cursory look at your own posts shows the disingeniousness of your comments.

What is deflecting? You have no argument besides personal insults and attacks. You haven’t provided any evidence it’s against any rule or addressed the preponderance of evidence it’s legal within the rules and knowingly allowed by dvc. You haven’t made a single, coherent post that I recall explaining how walking can be fixed. In every post I’ve seen of yours the topic is personal insults over and over because you don’t like the practice.

 

[zavandor]

A question for people who think walking is unfair but use LL.
When you buy LL you pay to skip the line in front of people who don't want or most likely cannot afford to pay. Also, staying onsite, which most likely costs more than staying offsite, you get to prebook rides earlier.
LL favor wealthier people at every corner, don't you think it's unfair?
The same could be said about EE, dessert parties and the thousands upcharges.
Why is using money ok to gain an advantage and it's not to use planning, effort and knowledge?

 

[DanCali]

For the record, I don't think it is all that important to be able to modify a reservation once you've made it, without having to cancel and rebook.

It does make a big difference in outcomes though when waitlists are allowed.

 

[Pooh12863]

Yep.

Walkers are taking a further step. When join in I’m going to take an even further step out lol.

If you want Christmas start in August.

Or go after the the first 3 weeks in December when it gets real expensive point wise. I have less competition to worry about after the 24th of December.

 

[Tatebeck]

A question for people who think walking is unfair but use LL.
When you buy LL you pay to skip the line in front of people who don't want or most likely cannot afford to pay. Also, staying onsite, which most likely costs more than staying offsite, you get to prebook rides earlier.
LL favor wealthier people at every corner, don't you think it's unfair?
The same could be said about EE, dessert parties and the thousands upcharges.
Why is using money ok to gain an advantage and it's not to use planning, effort and knowledge?

Did I miss something? Did Disney say that purchasing LL is unintended and against the spirit of their rules?

Someone who purchased DVC has access that someone who didn't purchase doesn't have. Because they get to according to the rules they agree to when they purchase DVC or when they go into the parks.

 

[TCRAIG]

For the record, I don't think it is all that important to be able to modify a reservation once you've made it, without having to cancel and rebook. Wyndham worked that way for years, and it was fine. Yes, you had to plan around booked dates sometimes, but that's why it is called "planning" a vacation.

Even now, Wyndham owners don't get unlimited modifications: +/- three days on each end, and only one shot to make any changes before it's final. That probably covers 90% of all of the legit use cases.

I make a lot of modifications so this could impact me immensely and as I’ve stated before - I’m not a walker - I’m just someone with a lot of points who need booking fluidity in deciding when to drive down to Orlando for my 3-4 annual trips a year…And If I wanted Wyndham’s TimeShares and all their booking nuances, I would have bought there…but I didn’t…
Please don’t advocate turning DVC into a Wyndham or Marriott or Hilton type of timeshare….PLEASE NO!

 

[zavandor]

Did I miss something? Did Disney say that purchasing LL is unintended and against the spirit of their rules?

You are evading the question. Do you think gaining an advantage with money is ok?

 

[lowlight]

Sure - That’ll work - but how are you going to implement that process?

Tell people if they walk, their reservations will be canceled. Use computer analytics to determine who is walking. Keep the public facing rule simple yet ambiguous (no walking allowed), have a clearly defined rule behind the scenes. Kind of like commercial renting, except actually enforce it. It’s prohibited, but nobody knows the exact threshold that will trigger cancelation. Let people play stupid games trying to find another self advantageous loophole to exploit and watch their reservations canceled.

 

[Tatebeck]

You are evading the question. Do you think gaining an advantage with money is ok?

Yes, as long as they say it is allowed when you purchase a product.

 

[AstroBlasters]

You are equating involuntary limitations with the conscious choice to pervert the intended use of the membership for personal gain.

“pervert the intended use of the membership for personal gain”

I’m sorry…. I just think the rhetoric is a bit comical. This is a Disney timeshare system we are talking about…. no one is going to be increasing their net worth or causing other people to go hungry or not be able to feed or clothe their family because of walking FOR THEIR OWN PERSONAL USE.

I want to distinguish that from commercial spec renting.

 

[Brian Noble]

I’m located in Europe and I’m able to book BWV resort view and AKV value. If latency really ment anything here I wouldn’t be able to get any reservations at 8am but yet i am.

Then apparently you have faster fingers than many of your competitors. I cannot imagine that TWDC IT managed to build in performance fuzzing---at least, not correctly.

I'm not sure where DVC's servers are physically located, but the round trip time between N. America and most of the EU is about 150ms. That's longer than human perception, and it does matter. I teach this stuff for a living.

It does make a big difference in outcomes though when waitlists are allowed.

Of course it does. (Wyndham has waitlists too). Book what you know you can use, then use it, or risk losing it.

There is no perfect way to allocate something when there are fewer of the somethings than people who want them. Someone is going to lose, no matter what you do. You just have to pick which way of choosing losers you like best.

 

[Pooh12863]

Yes, as long as they say it is allowed when you purchase a product.

The rules say you're allowed to modify reservations also. Maybe I'm just a poor vacation planner.