Are people really that worried about being photographed in public places?

[Lilsia]

I can't imagine how many people's photos we are in. If it is clear that people are just taking pictures of their family or a selfie and not specifically targeting you or your kids, that is nothing. But if some creep is taking photos of you or your kids specifically, that is an issue. Sadly, it has become popular now with immature people to take unflattering photos of someone and posting them online to make fun of them. That is not OK

 

[bcla]

The media doesn't have any additional rights than any individual. Regarding your video on the cruise ship, did the woman have any expectation of privacy? Walking around a pool, I'm guessing no (since it's not HER pool). Was there a rule against videoing while on the cruise ship? I'm pretty sure that answer is "no". So, IMO, the videographer *IS* allowed to post that video.

Where it gets interesting is one is NOT allowed to make money off the photo. So if I'm at a park and I'm taking pictures to put in a book about parks that I'm going to sell, I better make sure I have signed releases from anyone appearing in pictures I'm going to use. A YT vlogger might make money off their videos. BUT, the news media makes money from their newscasts, so what's the difference?

The thing with YouTube is monetization of videos where they get a share of the ad revenue. So ostensibly there is money to be made.

However, if someone really doesn't want to be photographed and there are options to edit, why leave someone in who clearly doesn't want to be there.

Now if it is something newsworthy, then that's another matter. If it's something like an assault being recorded or some sort of outburst, that becomes different than just random images/video of people.

 

[kymom99]

I can't imagine how many people's photos we are in. If it is clear that people are just taking pictures of their family or a selfie and not specifically targeting you or your kids, that is nothing. But if some creep is taking photos of you or your kids specifically, that is an issue. Sadly, it has become popular now with immature people to take unflattering photos of someone and posting them online to make fun of them. That is not OK

I’d flip them off, not that it would help anything.

 

[White Cat]

We were at an event about a month ago. A friend of my wife asked to take our picture and we said ok. The next morning my wife got a call from a friend that lives very far away saying she saw our picture. Some how she saw it on Facebook. They don’t know each other and live in other countries, I’m not sure how it works. I saw the lady that took the picture later in the day and asked her why she would put our picture out there like that without permission. She removed it but it’s too late. I was very bothered by this, and she knows it.. We had another event last week for the Kentucky Derby. No more pictures. Still bothers me that someone would do that.

 

[sam_gordon]

However, if someone really doesn't want to be photographed and there are options to edit, why leave someone in who clearly doesn't want to be there.

As I mentioned earlier, it depends on the picture. Just for example, let's say I'm getting video/taking a picture of my child taking their first steps. Someone in the background comes up to me and says "delete that video. I didn't give you my permission to record me." Nope, not gonna do it.

Can I easily replicate the picture I was trying to take? Is it a "throw away" picture? The answer to those questions would determine whether I comply with the request.

 

[sam_gordon]

We were at an event about a month ago. A friend of my wife asked to take our picture and we said ok. The next morning my wife got a call from a friend that lives very far away saying she saw our picture. Some how she saw it on Facebook. They don’t know each other and live in other countries, I’m not sure how it works. I saw the lady that took the picture later in the day and asked her why she would put our picture out there like that without permission. She removed it but it’s too late. I was very bothered by this, and she knows it.. We had another event last week for the Kentucky Derby. No more pictures. Still bothers me that someone would do that.

Seems strange to me, but legal.

 

[kymom99]

We were at an event about a month ago. A friend of my wife asked to take our picture and we said ok. The next morning my wife got a call from a friend that lives very far away saying she saw our picture. Some how she saw it on Facebook. They don’t know each other and live in other countries, I’m not sure how it works. I saw the lady that took the picture later in the day and asked her why she would put our picture out there like that without permission. She removed it but it’s too late. I was very bothered by this, and she knows it.. We had another event last week for the Kentucky Derby. No more pictures. Still bothers me that someone would do that.

Probably tagged you. Do you have a fb account?

 

[jalapeno_pretzel]

I'm worried about getting shot in public places, but not so much about being photographed in public places.

 

[PollyannaMom]

Regarding the bolded, it would depend on the photo on whether I'd delete it or not. Yes, someone has the right to ASK that you delete the photo. You also have the right to refuse to do so (assuming you're both in public, no expectation of privacy, etc).

As I mentioned earlier, it depends on the picture. Just for example, let's say I'm getting video/taking a picture of my child taking their first steps. Someone in the background comes up to me and says "delete that video. I didn't give you my permission to record me." Nope, not gonna do it.

Can I easily replicate the picture I was trying to take? Is it a "throw away" picture? The answer to those questions would determine whether I comply with the request.

Not sure it's the same with all phones, but on mine, when I delete a photo, I have 30 days to recover it before it's really gone. You could just "delete" it in front of them and then recover it later.

 

[tvguy]

As I mentioned earlier, it depends on the picture. Just for example, let's say I'm getting video/taking a picture of my child taking their first steps. Someone in the background comes up to me and says "delete that video. I didn't give you my permission to record me." Nope, not gonna do it.

Can I easily replicate the picture I was trying to take? Is it a "throw away" picture? The answer to those questions would determine whether I comply with the request.

If the photo is taken on one of the many cell phones that have software that allow you to "erase" portions of the photo, you just erase the person, easy peasey.

 

[bcla]

Not sure it's the same with all phones, but on mine, when I delete a photo, I have 30 days to recover it before it's really gone. You could just "delete" it in front of them and then recover it later.

I've seen that, but the "deleted images" can be permanently deleted on demand.

That being said, I've heard of some extreme things including people literally grabbing other people's devices and refusing to return them without being able to go through the photos and delete ones that include them or a family member.

 

[Dznypal]

my DD and her family just arrived at the world this morning. They were on the bus going to the resort and she sent me a pic my DGS fell asleep there was a younger lady sitting across from them with her hand over her face. Another time DH am me we’re coming back from Europe we got upgraded to the seats that Najee into beds. I took a pic of my DH in his little cubbie the flight attendant was in the background doing something he made sort of a deal
Like was deliberately taking a pic of him. I didn’t realize he was in the background till much later.

 

[GreatLakes]

As I mentioned earlier, it depends on the picture. Just for example, let's say I'm getting video/taking a picture of my child taking their first steps. Someone in the background comes up to me and says "delete that video. I didn't give you my permission to record me." Nope, not gonna do it.

Can I easily replicate the picture I was trying to take? Is it a "throw away" picture? The answer to those questions would determine whether I comply with the request.

I have never had a single person ask me to delete a picture and with a young kid I take tons of pictures everywhere. If I am in a public place I'm not going to do it nor would I request anyone else do it. I'm sure there are extreme examples like some random kid running around naked in the background that I didn't see before the picture but just because someone doesn't want to be in a picture in public? Nope.

 

[sam_gordon]

If the photo is taken on one of the many cell phones that have software that allow you to "erase" portions of the photo, you just erase the person, easy peasey.

Have you tried it? I just did. Worked well for an object that was by itself. An object that was directly behind my subject? Not so much. I'll upload what I'm talking about from my phone...

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"Erased":

Personally, I'm happy with how the guy in blue was removed... the one in yellow further away, ok, not great. The closer one in yellow? um, yea, that really isn't good.

BTW, this phone is a Galaxy 23 Ultra, purchased a couple weeks ago, and has the latest editing software. No, I'm not going to count on a "magic eraser" to not foul up the pic.

 

[soccerdad72]

As far as YouTube videos, I've seen a number of them where the vlogger has blurred out faces in the background. I don't know if they end up asking people in the background of their videos for permission to show their faces or not, because it's not something that happens in all their videos.

 

[bcla]

As I mentioned earlier, it depends on the picture. Just for example, let's say I'm getting video/taking a picture of my child taking their first steps. Someone in the background comes up to me and says "delete that video. I didn't give you my permission to record me." Nope, not gonna do it.

Can I easily replicate the picture I was trying to take? Is it a "throw away" picture? The answer to those questions would determine whether I comply with the request.

My impression of that discussion was of someone posting a well produced video to YouTube. In that case, why include footage of someone who is clearly making a fuss about being seen on camera?

 

[sam_gordon]

My impression of that discussion was of someone posting a well produced video to YouTube. In that case, why include footage of someone who is clearly making a fuss about being seen on camera?

You might want to go back and read again, unless "clearly making a fuss" = "getting out of a hot tub, walking towards the camera, seeing the camera, looking distressed and briskly returning to the hot tub so she could not be photographed."

And what qualifies as "Well produced"? Phone cameras have great resolution now and are relatively easy to carry.

 

[Mackenzie Click-Mickelson]

There's a difference between taking photos where the public happens to be in them and specifically taking a photo of someone from the public.

The reason the woman reacted the way she did was the latter being her immediate thought and concern. While I would not necessarily agree with her reaction what you're trying to talk about is expectation of privacy out in the public with respects to someone being just in the background and that is just the only thing out there.

It used to be a bit more okay to say you have no expectation of privacy (and you really don't when out in public) but as time went on and the reasons, usages, and instances of people being specifically photographed increased so much that I understand even if I don't always agree with people's reactions. You can see how sometimes people get called out for taking photos of people for the purposes of shaming, ridiculing them, etc.

 

[bcla]

You might want to go back and read again, unless "clearly making a fuss" = "getting out of a hot tub, walking towards the camera, seeing the camera, looking distressed and briskly returning to the hot tub so she could not be photographed."

And what qualifies as "Well produced"? Phone cameras have great resolution now and are relatively easy to carry.

I going my memory about someone apparently being distressed at being recorded, but that someone chose to use that footage in YouTube video anyways when it didn't really need to be there.

But yeah - I just meant "edited". As in likely having lots of footage to assemble into a finished video and where there was no need to embarrass anyone. I've seen stuff that's just raw footage from a camera.

That's certainly not the same as capturing an important personal moment and other people who might happen to be recorded insist that such photos/video be deleted.

 

[sam_gordon]

I going my memory about someone apparently being distressed at being recorded, but that someone chose to use that footage in YouTube video anyways when it didn't really need to be there.

Wait, what? You referenced a discussion earlier in the thread. But your talking about your memory about something?

But yeah - I just meant "edited". As in likely having lots of footage to assemble into a finished video and where there was no need to embarrass anyone. I've seen stuff that's just raw footage from a camera.

But you don't know how much footage they have. I've put a couple cruise videos together myself, not as reviews, but just so the family can watch them for memories. EVERY time I've walked off the ship, I've thought "I have plenty of footage for everything I need." When I go to edit... "man, I wish I had another shot to use here".

That's certainly not the same as capturing an important personal moment and other people who might happen to be recorded insist that such photos/video be deleted.

So it is ok for you to turn down a request to delete a photo/video? And the photographer gets to make that decision, based on anything they want, right?