Are ADR cancellation coordinations really fair?

[Pedler]

One thing we do need to remember that people coordinating ADR cancellations are doing so with the best of intentions. I really don't have a problem with the coordination of ADR cancellation.

I personally would like to see the Disney's policy change, at least for the hot places such as character meals, so that the family that is not able to spend as much time on these type of boards has an equal chance at a magical vacation. This information does provide an advantage over others. I wouldn't call it unfair because it is all public knowledge. Still I can't sit here and say that because someone doesn't spend every day reading these forums they are less deserving of getting into a hot dinning spot and that those that do are more deserving. There are lots of legitimate reasons that people can't spend all this time here.

Once again I am not saying it is wrong to do so but I would like to see Disney put in a credit card guarantee for the hot character meals to insure all of those that do have ADR's and don't cancel have some sort of financial incentive to show up. I would also like to see them put a delay in before adding cancellations back into inventory or establish a wait list. I think it is more fair to give an ADR to someone that tried to make it at the 90 day mark and couldn't than someone that was able to coordinate a cancellation at the 21 day mark. Not everyone can sit there and make calls during the day to check on ADR's every day.

Nothing wrong or immoral about the coordination but I would like to see things changed to eliminate it.

Just my 0.02.

 

[NCombs]

... your analogy of "picking a family not in line to take your place," is the most precise description of the issue. It could be considered a morality issue (heaven forbid we be accused of being moral for fear of being labeled "the morality police"), but it certainly IS an ethical issue. IMNSHO, giving ANYone an advantage over another is unethical and ultimately, immoral.

Folks, we are talking about ADVANCED DINING RESERVATIONS! Relax.

Boy, this DIS should just shut down now because it gives us the ADVANTAGE to know how to get a CRT reservation, of knowing when room discount codes come out, and on and on. The HORROR!!

To say that giving someone an advantage in life is unethical or immoral is just about one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read and posting the definition of moral from the dictionary on a post about Disney dining is just about one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.

 

[Ms. Belle]

I don't think it's unfair to coordinate reservations, especially for CRT; can this actually be done though? I always wonder when I see the threads if anyone is successful.

 

[beattyfamily]

I don't think it's unfair to coordinate reservations, especially for CRT; can this actually be done though? I always wonder when I see the threads if anyone is successful.

Yes, it's possible. What most do is the person canceling tells the person who wants it exactly when she/he cancels it. Then the person wanting it calls as fast as possible to try and get it.

I've also heard of a few who do 3 way calling.

Some have reported success and others have reported that someone still snagged it away.

Again, I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever.

 

[lucincia]

I don't think it's unfair to coordinate reservations, especially for CRT; can this actually be done though? I always wonder when I see the threads if anyone is successful.

Yes, it can be done. I did it Someone was nice enough to announce cancellation so we agreed on a time - 1 PM CST. I started calling at 1 PM, but she was couple minutes late. On third call, the CM said still nothing. I told the CM my situation that I was trying to catch a cancellation I know is happening right now. She refreshed her search. Exact time, date, and party size (8:10 AM!) showed up She grabbed it for me.

So, yes, it can be done if you work on timing your calls.

 

[tlbwriter]

I personally would like to see the Disney's policy change, at least for the hot places such as character meals, so that the family that is not able to spend as much time on these type of boards has an equal chance at a magical vacation. This information does provide an advantage over others. I wouldn't call it unfair because it is all public knowledge. Still I can't sit here and say that because someone doesn't spend every day reading these forums they are less deserving of getting into a hot dinning spot and that those that do are more deserving. There are lots of legitimate reasons that people can't spend all this time here.

Eh. I got CRT before I ever heard of the DIS. I read how to do it in the UG. Anyone who plans a trip without doing the most basic of research into their destination probably doesn't know what they're missing anyway. Or doesn't care. Or needs to learn a valuable life lesson.

 

[Pedler]

Folks, we are talking about ADVANCED DINING RESERVATIONS! Relax.

Boy, this DIS should just shut down now because it gives us the ADVANTAGE to know how to get a CRT reservation, of knowing when room discount codes come out, and on and on. The HORROR!!

To say that giving someone an advantage in life is unethical or immoral is just about one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read and posting the definition of moral from the dictionary on a post about Disney dining is just about one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen.

Not to be argumentative. I think that if someone wasn't holding on to extras and they had to legitimately cancel a CRT ressie and wanted to pass it on to some one here then that's wouldn't bother me. I would like to see Disney change the way its done but if people want to do it what the heck.

How about the person that makes multiple ADRs for CRT 90 days out and then when they decided on the one they want to use transfer the other 2 ressies to folks here at the DIS. In essence they took 2 extra ressies that someone else trying to call in and get were denied with no intention of using the quantity they reserved. The in essence blocked others while they made up thier mind about what to do. Shouldn't those be thrown back into the pool for everyone to use or should people make multiple CRT ressies with the idea of giving them to thier friends at the DIS? That part would start to bother me no matter how well intentioned. The CRT breakfast is the hotest ticket in town and everyone should have an equal chance to get them not just those that frequent these boards.


FYI there was a post on the CRT thread about someone with 2 extra ressies for CRT 80 or so days out that wants to know how to transfer them. I could see well intentioned folk making extras to "spread some pixie dust" as it were.

Just my 0.02

 

[Pedler]

Eh. I got CRT before I ever heard of the DIS. I read how to do it in the UG. Anyone who plans a trip without doing the most basic of research into their destination probably doesn't know what they're missing anyway. Or doesn't care. Or needs to learn a valuable life lesson.

That's a little bit harsh. I know people that have gotten the UG and done what it says and still not gotten in. Heck there are people on this board that haven't been able to get one using the methods here. I still think a waiting list would be the best but I realize that it is unfeasible to have one.

 

[jann1033]

Folks, we are talking about ADVANCED DINING RESERVATIONS! Relax.

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yes it's not a kidney , it's a chance to spend more money on vacation

i had 2 coupons for something disney related, posted if anyone wanted it pm me and I'd send it to them ( free except i paid .37 for the stamp )which worked fine...if the problem with some is the coordinated lists why not just do it that way. first pm gets the chance to get it.( still think out of 100 or what ever cms taking adrs and exactly when it goes back into the system ect it's not much of a chance but ...)then it is up to whoever wants to be in it to be in it...

or just ignore the list and read another thread( hehe) if it offends you

don't quite get the moralilty definition either but whatever

 

[beattyfamily]

I'm starting to see two separate issues being discussed now.

One, coordinating a cancellation with someone who wants it because you had a change in plans (cancel trip, etc...).

Two, hoarding ADRs because you want to and then canceling them and coordinating a cancellation with someone who wants it.

I, myself, would never book a bunch of CRTs and hold them because of the credit card charge to my account for each one. If I happen to get a second one on a better day, I cancel the old one right away because of that deposit.

I really doubt there's lots of hoarding of ADRs going on here but I'm sure there are some. IMHO, they are two separate issues though.

 

[tlbwriter]

That's a little bit harsh. I know people that have gotten the UG and done what it says and still not gotten in. Heck there are people on this board that haven't been able to get one using the methods here. I still think a waiting list would be the best but I realize that it is unfeasible to have one.

Sorry, the "life lesson" part was a joke (hence the winking smiley). Yes, I know people who have followed UG's instructions and not gotten in. And I know people who have followed DIS's instructions and not gotten in. My point was that no one is "penalized" for not having the time and inclination to read DIS. There are plenty of other, more easily accessible, resources for everyone. And people who don't use those resources are more likely to be "unplanners" anyway. I wouldn't even have known about CRT if I hadn't read it in UG. Has anyone ever heard of it without immediately hearing how difficult it is to get?

 

[NCombs]

Not to be argumentative. I think that if someone wasn't holding on to extras and they had to legitimately cancel a CRT ressie and wanted to pass it on to some one here then that's wouldn't bother me. I would like to see Disney change the way its done but if people want to do it what the heck.

How about the person that makes multiple ADRs for CRT 90 days out and then when they decided on the one they want to use transfer the other 2 ressies to folks here at the DIS. In essence they took 2 extra ressies that someone else trying to call in and get were denied with no intention of using the quantity they reserved. The in essence blocked others while they made up thier mind about what to do. Shouldn't those be thrown back into the pool for everyone to use or should people make multiple CRT ressies with the idea of giving them to thier friends at the DIS? That part would start to bother me no matter how well intentioned. The CRT breakfast is the hotest ticket in town and everyone should have an equal chance to get them not just those that frequent these boards.


FYI there was a post on the CRT thread about someone with 2 extra ressies for CRT 80 or so days out that wants to know how to transfer them. I could see well intentioned folk making extras to "spread some pixie dust" as it were.

Just my 0.02

Hey, Pedler, I'm with you. I don't agree with making multiple ADR's that you don't need at CRT either. But, to have people posting things from the dictionary and other people saying that giving anyone an "advantage" is immoral is just plain silly. Gee, now I know what a bad mom I was to enroll my preschooler in Hooked on Phonics in order to give him an "advantage". My goodness, what must I have been thinking!

Honestly, I guess I have to admit to being a person that really doesn't care what reservations I get or what food I have when I'm on vacation. I don't understand all the drama about what reservation people did or didn't get or why other people spend time worrying about how others got their reservations. It just seem trivial to me. I'm just grateful to be able to take my family to DW, I know a lot of people could never afford it. I'm not going to stress over where we eat dinner.

 

[Pedler]

Folks, we are talking about ADVANCED DINING RESERVATIONS! Relax.

I don't know. To read some of the pleas for getting into breakfast at CRT you would think it was the only reason some people go to WDW.

 

[Pedler]

Hey, Peddller, I'm with you. I don't agree with making multiple ADR's that you don't need at CRT either. But, to have people posting things from the dictionary and other people saying that giving anyone an "advantage" is immoral is just plain silly. Gee, now I know what a bad mom I was to enroll my preschooler in Hooked on Phonics in order to give him an "advantage". My goodness, what must I have been thinking!

Honestly, I guess I have to admit to being a person that really doesn't care what reservations I get or what food I have when I'm on vacation. I don't understand all the drama about what reservation people did or didn't get or why other people spend time worrying about how others got their reservations. It just seem trivial to me. I'm just grateful to be able to take my family to DW, I know a lot of people could never afford it. I'm not going to stress over where we eat dinner.

I agree that the whole posting the definition of morality and such is way over the top. You know how it is here at the DIS. You can't just have a calm nuanced discussion about a topic without it going to extremes.

For what its worth I am with you on all of the hoppala on getting certain ADR's. But its one thing to have an advantage because you aquired a skill, i.e. knowledge, as opposed to having one because you know someone. Once again I am not saying it is wrong to coordinate ADR's but that is the difference between knowing how to get your own CRT ressie and getting one because you know the right people.

 

[brerrabbit]

We have been going to DW since 1989. We only started staying onsite and really planning our trips on the third one in like 94. Since then we have never had any trouble booking PS and now ADR. Granted we have never tried CRT for breakfast but did do King Stephans Royal table on one trip with no problem. We went last Chrismas and literally did not know we were going until Thanksgiving when I got an early bonus payout. I was able to book CP and two ADR including one for Christmas day less than a month in advance. Maybe we just don't hit the hotspots but when I read these boards I get really confused about how hard it is to make ADR. For the record we have eatan just about everywhere over the years, California Grill, CRT, Le Cellier, Hoop de Do review, Rose and Crown, San Angeles Inn, Germany, Artists Point, etc. I find that if you are flexible on time and date things go really smooth. I plan a lot of things but my plans don't really gel till after I have my ADR's. I think some folks make theri detailed plans and then try to fit the ADR's in after the fact. That means very little flexibility. Also its important to note that we have never done the dining plan and probably never would because with all the walking and physical activity during our trips we could not eat that much food if we had to. We generally only make two to three ADR's per trip. We will then do walk up during the trip to one or two places and have usually got seated with little or no problem. Thats why I never get to upset about people cancelling ADR's and trying to coordinate with people trying to add ADR's. It's just not an issue to us.

 

[NCombs]

I agree that the whole posting the definition of morality and such is way over the top. You know how it is here at the DIS. You can't just have a calm nuanced discussion about a topic without it going to extremes.

For what its worth I am with you on all of the hoppala on getting certain ADR's. But its one thing to have an advantage because you aquired a skill, i.e. knowledge, as opposed to having one because you know someone. Once again I am not saying it is wrong to coordinate ADR's but that is the difference between knowing how to get your own CRT ressie and getting one because you know the right people.

You're right-start throwing around those 3 letter acronyms on the DIS and things get ugly- ADR, CRT, (TGM ha ha).

 

[jann1033]

Eh. I got CRT before I ever heard of the DIS. I read how to do it in the UG. Anyone who plans a trip without doing the most basic of research into their destination probably doesn't know what they're missing anyway. Or doesn't care. Or needs to learn a valuable life lesson.

hehe we actually walked in to crt but didn't realize the "enormity" of what we did til yrs later when i read these boards..maybe these sites have created a "monster"

kind of serious about that though...now a "disney" vaca. is not enough..it has to have towel animals, up grades, deluxe hotels and what kind of parent are you if you can not wrangle a crt brkft . it does kind of create an unrealistic goal and maybe why the "morality" issue gets raised so much.

 

[Pedler]

You're right-start throwing around those 3 letter acronyms on the DIS and things get ugly- ADR, CRT, (TGM ha ha).

Uh oh. You mentioned TGM. This thread will now self destruct in .....

 

[NCombs]

Uh oh. You mentioned TGM. This thread will now self destruct in .....

Just a little inside joke from one fan to another. I'm done now.

 

[lucincia]

For what its worth I am with you on all of the hoppala on getting certain ADR's. But its one thing to have an advantage because you aquired a skill, i.e. knowledge, as opposed to having one because you know someone. Once again I am not saying it is wrong to coordinate ADR's but that is the difference between knowing how to get your own CRT ressie and getting one because you know the right people.

I guess making connections with people to get job interviews make you a loser and bad person too, eh? Also, networking luncheons are spawns of the devils in this definition.

If we're all looking for jobs, I'll let you flip through the classified ads while I go make inroads into companies with networked connections I have built.