AP's to get 20 FP+ per quarter

[mousermerf]

And there are all those CMs who visit the park often without cost to them, have pretty liberal comp privileges for bringing in friends, family...they spend very very little. Disney has never been set up to differientate between classes of guests in the parks. The resorts have different perks associated with them but that does not translate over to theme park guests...once you walk through the turnstyles whether you paid absolutely nothing or bought a 10 day hopper with no expiration (and you never even hopped)...you all have the same perks.

Liz

And.... that's not true.

Ticket books existed for years and without paying double for admission you couldn't ride an E-ticket twice.

Also, it's in the company handbook that workers are to give up park privileges/services to guests in the event of a conflict, lack of capacity, etc.. So no, that's never been true either. If you show up at an overbooked resort and a CM shows up with their family - the CM and family are walking.

 

[mom of lil princess]

Oh my goodness... I am going to tell you what my mother would tell me as a child "these are my rules( I.e. 20 fast past plus or ap Florida residents getting discounts) and if you think it's not fair tough... Life isn't fair."

 

[WillAustin]

And.... that's not true.

Ticket books existed for years and without paying double for admission you couldn't ride an E-ticket twice.

Also, it's in the company handbook that workers are to give up park privileges/services to guests in the event of a conflict, lack of capacity, etc.. So no, that's never been true either. If you show up at an overbooked resort and a CM shows up with their family - the CM and family are walking.

I thinking you didn't mean to quote me in your post.

 

[Laketravis]

I'm not trying to draw any correlation between AP's and the number of FP's they should or should not be entitled to.

What I am taking exception to is the claim that paying more for an AP than a MYW ticket is a fair comparison based on cost.

An AP is essentially a volume discount. So yes, a comparison based on the cost-per-day-used is an absolutely fair comparison.

Because if for some reason one felt they were not getting a fair value from their AP in comparison to a MYW ticket holder, well then of course you could just not purchase an AP and purchase MYW tickets instead. But I'm betting that once you did the math you'd find that would cost a lot more over the course of the same year that AP covered.

 

[mousermerf]

I thinking you didn't mean to quote me in your post.

Fixed

 

[Suellen]

Oh my goodness... I am going to tell you what my mother would tell me as a child "these are my rules( I.e. 20 fast past plus or ap Florida residents getting discounts) and if you think it's not fair tough... Life isn't fair."

Except I am an adult not a child and I am paying for a service. As a matter of fact they are changing the terms that I agreed to when I purchased my AP. Now of course I am sure there is some "right to change, add or remove benefits at any time" clause in there to protect them, but still when I agreed to pay X $ it was for my AP to afford me the same "rights" as if I purchased a day pass each day I entered the park.

If life at Disney gets "unfair" enough they will begin to lose customer loyalty.

 

[Traveliz]

And.... that's not true.

Ticket books existed for years and without paying double for admission you couldn't ride an E-ticket twice.

Also, it's in the company handbook that workers are to give up park privileges/services to guests in the event of a conflict, lack of capacity, etc.. So no, that's never been true either. If you show up at an overbooked resort and a CM shows up with their family - the CM and family are walking.

Realistically though I have never ever ever been asked as I am getting into line at an attraction if I am a CM or a guest with a paying ticket.

Resorts - that's a different game and actually most regular paying guests love to be walked as it's typically an upgrade...again that is a whole different can of worms.

Sure it's in the handbook...but operational, there is no CM sticker on the forehead of CMs who are taking the last seats in a show or pulling the last FPs from a machine. As far as being turned away at the gate I haven't seen that happen either but of course it's possible.

Liz

 

[linzbear]

Have you all maybe considered that the 20 FP+ for AP is for locals that don't stay onsite. You know, maybe it's a perk, and if you're staying onsite you still get the standard 4 per day just like anyone else?

And I don't doubt the 13 day stat because many people buy an AP for the hotel discount and TIW, but are only using it for 7 or whatever days.

 

[PryncessChrysty]

I disagree that the FP+ should matter based on what you paid to get into the park. Fine my admission costs me less per day, but I also shelled out $849 + tax for my Premier pass (x 2). That's a commitment, if nothing else.

If you can firmly say that Disney doesn't want their APH's to use their passes more than the "average of 13 days", then please tell me why Disney continues to make their passes more accessible by offering payment plans, lower cost for residents, DVC discounts, etc.?

Our AP's get a lot of mileage at DL because we live close by, and when we go to WDW we make it a substantial trip since it's a long trek from CA. For example, we just returned from a 16 day trip where we used our AP's on 14 of those days. Honestly, we don't use FP's all that often - maybe 2 or 3 a day max (sometimes none) because we're just a party of 2 adults who tour the parks at our leisure. There are even some super popular WDW attractions that we don't even do because we can either ride the exact same ride at home, or it's better at home (i.e. TSMM, Soarin', Fantastmic!). I'm an uber planner before we arrive, but once we get there, most of it all goes out the window and other than touring certain parks on specific days because of crowds or ADR's, we tend to go willy nilly.

While I could commit to planning a ride in advance, I think it would take the fun and the spontaneity away from the experience. And while I do like the idea that I don't have to get to a park at rope drop in order to get a FP for <insert your favorite attraction here>, I really don't like that the FP+ doesn't encourage park hopping. If I go to MK in the morning and DHS at night, I'd be better off holding my FP+ for the night time so that I can ride Tot & RnR, but then I have no option for FP during my day at MK.

I'm also not a fan of the 20 FP+ limit over 5 days because out of my 16 days there, I would've only been able to utilize FP's for 1/3 of my trip. That's so limiting. We stayed on property that entire time, ate on property that entire time, and purchased many souvenir's during our stay, so please don't say that I paid less for my trip overall, because the way everyone travels is different. I understand that Disney can't come up with a program that will please everyone, I just don't think it should be so limiting.

I'm anxious to see what the rules will be once they finally nail them down. And how quickly they'll change after that....

 

[Suellen]

Have you all maybe considered that the 20 FP+ for AP is for locals that don't stay onsite. You know, maybe it's a perk, and if you're staying onsite you still get the standard 4 per day just like anyone else?

And I don't doubt the 13 day stat because many people buy an AP for the hotel discount and TIW, but are only using it for 7 or whatever days.

Unless the FP+ are linked to the room and not the ticket then I'm guessing (just a guess really as I have no actual information other then what I've read here) that it doesn't matter if you are on site or not if you use an AP for admission.

 

[Traveliz]

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in reality. We have all been around long enough (or a few of us anyway) to have lived through the rumors, first information, second batch of news and the evolution of different policies and projects at Disney.

Actually I have avoided even reading about it up until today because I figured I would deal with it when I had to but got bored today and read this thread and then got sucked in ... BUT off I go to WDW myself tomorrow so no more of this for me tonight...well I might peek in at 1 AM when I get up to leave.

Guess I will have to superuse (so excited to learn a new word/phrase today - that means its been a good day!) the FPs this trip if my time is limited

Liz

 

[Suellen]

It will be interesting to see how this all plays out in reality. We have all been around long enough (or a few of us anyway) to have lived through the rumors, first information, second batch of news and the evolution of different policies and projects at Disney.

Actually I have avoided even reading about it up until today because I figured I would deal with it when I had to but got bored today and read this thread and then got sucked in ... BUT off I go to WDW myself tomorrow so no more of this for me tonight...well I might peek in at 1 AM when I get up to leave.

Guess I will have to superuse (so excited to learn a new word/phrase today - that means its been a good day!) the FPs this trip if my time is limited

Liz

You superuser you. Go, abuse, enjoy!

 

[Traveliz]

You superuser you. Go, abuse, enjoy!

We can coin the term SuperAbuser! I REALLY have to go to bed now - really really.

Liz

 

[Missyrose]

Unless the FP+ are linked to the room and not the ticket then I'm guessing (just a guess really as I have no actual information other then what I've read here) that it doesn't matter if you are on site or not if you use an AP for admission.

That might actually make sense since everything "Next Gen" will seemingly run through the RFID KTTW card or wristband.

 

[larryz]

I smell a new category of AP coming -- Platinum, $1,000 annually, with NO limit on FP+ use...

 

[chicagoshannon]

I really hope they keep regular FP. We get annual passes when we go. We live I IL so obviously don't go weekly or monthly or even quarterly. When we go we generally visit Disney for about 10 days. That would mean for half of our trip we wouldn't be allowed a FP at all. That just seems crazy!

Our next trip will be in 2014 probably November and then we'd make another trip end of May 2015. FP+ just wouldn't work for us at all.

I really hope they keep regular FP. I didn't like the idea at all when it first came about and like it even less now. I wish they'd go back to the FP not expiring at all the day you get them so we could go back to taking our mid day breaks and still be able to ride some rides when we returned in the evening.

 

[fla4fun]

Unless the FP+ are linked to the room and not the ticket then I'm guessing (just a guess really as I have no actual information other then what I've read here) that it doesn't matter if you are on site or not if you use an AP for admission.

I am certainly no expert on FP+, but I always assumed that for resort guests it was going to be linked to your KTTW (or wristband). They are expanding the online check in to 60 days, and during that 60 days you would be making the FP+ "reservations", so it would make sense for the RFID readers at the attractions to read your KTTW, compare it to the FP+ for the day, and allow/disallow entrance at the FP line based on that information. If it scans you and you don't have a KTTW, then it may be programmed to look for alternate RFID chips, such as in APs or MYW tickets. Since you are already in the park, the system should be assuming you have valid admission and wouldn't be confirming that.

So if you were an AP holder staying on property, and it scanned a KTTW, it wouldn't need to look for an AP. If you are an AP holder staying off property or local, then it would. Or maybe when you sign up for the FP+ "reservations" you will have to enter either a resort confirmation number or an AP ticket number so it would know if you are an on property guest.

Just an idea - like I said, with all the info swirling around, I'm no expert. I'm an AP holder who very rarely uses FP now, so having 20 available to me would seem like a windfall! BTW - you don't have to use 4 per day do you? For the poster on the 10 day trip, couldn't you stretch them out and use 2 per day for 10 days? On a 10 day trip, I usually have a day or two without going to the parks anyway.

 

[A Mickeyfan]

Most AP holders only visit 13 days in a year.. You're way above the average.

well I must not be your average AP holder. Most Fl Resident AP holders visit way more than 13 days per year.. especially those that live near the parks. I live 3 hours away and in the summer alone I go more than 13 days. That is not counting the remainder of the year.. So this 20 per qt is going to stink for me.

 

[Suellen]

BTW - you don't have to use 4 per day do you? For the poster on the 10 day trip, couldn't you stretch them out and use 2 per day for 10 days? On a 10 day trip, I usually have a day or two without going to the parks anyway.

Yup... what is being reported is four per day.. that means 5 days per quarter do you get use of FP. Period.

 

[Robo]

And.... that's not true.

Ticket books existed for years and without paying double for admission you couldn't ride an E-ticket twice.

That is incorrect.
(I can't believe nobody else said anything.)

The "ticket books" were not JUST available with ADMISSION.
The individual attractions were not limited to a guest at one-ride-per-day

In fact, the tickets did not specifically come printed with the name an individual attraction at all.

Each attraction was DESIGNATED at its entrance as requiring one of the following for admission to its queue:
A-ticket
B-ticket
C-ticket
D-ticket
and (later, as the attraction technology improved) an E-ticket.

The ticket books named which attractions required which "letter level" of ticket,
but if you had, say, 4 "E-tickets" you could use all 4 to ride and re-ride the same attraction if you wanted to.

Disney had additional ticket booths all over the park.
You could buy as many additional ticket books or individual tickets as you wanted.
(And, they were comparatively inexpensive to purchase.)
The books they sold inside the park had a multiple selection of tickets.
A-tickets
B-tickets
C-tickets
D-tickets
and (later, as the attraction technology improved) E-tickets.

Some books had an assortment of all levels of tickets.
Some books came filled with "universal" tickets, good on any
attraction in the park.
(My dad gave me a lecture on not using the "all E-Ticket" book coupons
on a B-ticket ride like Snow White and such... a waste of money, of course.)

As to not being able to ride a headliner attraction more than once per day...
We rode the D-Ticket (and later, E-ticket) attractions over, and over, and over, all day and into the night.

I mean, isn't re-riding your favorite attractions what going to Disney
(and most theme parks) all about?

Pirates of the Caribbean and Haunted Mansion. Both E-tickets.
How many times did I ride those in a day, back in the good old days of my youth?

Wasn't anyone else in the parks back then?
Didn't you ride and re-ride your favorite attractions, E-ticket and otherwise?

Doesn't everybody know the time-honored catch-phrase of "chicken kids" who have finally
braved their biggest fear and ridden the scary attraction?
"Let's do it AGAIN!"

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