Anyone had Canada Customs probs?

minnie56

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I did...last Saturday after returning from a cruise.

I half-asleep completed the forms onboard for my daughter and I declaring $300 each randomly.Don't know why I didn't use the full $750...just wasn't thinking!

I got marked for a check...and all bags were examined and receipts asked for and provided. Of course, I was over my $300 each. Initially, he threatened to seize all my goods...old and new...and make me claim it back at a cost of $1,200 - $1,600 but decided to assess me GST and PST and Excise tax on jewellry items totalling 25%. Ouch! I ended up paying $400

But...
The agents were so rude to me.It was late and slow so 2 of them were adding their 2 cents worth as to where I live (Oakville) and that paying money was "no problem" for me...profiling at it's best!My daughter had a Queens sweatshirt on and they remarked about her attending there.It was all besides the point and had nothing to do with anything.

They seemed to be on a power trip and I just wondered if anyone else has had any experience with them?

Thanks!:(
 
Because I had undervalued goods and declared only $300 each...we were not allowed to use the full $750 allowance and paid anything applicable over the $300 each.

I also had to provide my License plate number and was advised I will be scrutinized each time I cross the border even in my car.I had flown in this time.I am a marked woman indeed!
 
Originally posted by minnie56
I also had to provide my License plate number and was advised I will be scrutinized each time I cross the border even in my car.I had flown in this time.I am a marked woman indeed!


I'd get new license plates the next time your sticker is up for renewal :teeth:

I got caught not declaring the shoes I had bought for my wedding, I declared only the $17 I had spent elsewhere ... it was really stupid of me. They forced me to pay (which wasn't much because the shoes were only $18), but they had my drivers license and "forced payment" was on the receipt. Luckily, my name changed when I got married, and so did the first 4 numbers of the drivers license. :)

I think they were just trying to scare you ... but just in case, I'd declare absolutely everything you buy right down to the new socks that are on your feet!

Mary Liz
 
Hubby has suggested too that I change my plate. We have a couple of personalized ones in the garage we aren't using. That will at least keep them off of my scent crossing the border as I do like to shuffle to Buffalo a fair bit!

I will declare $750 from now (Or $200 whatever the case may be) even if I am only buying a pair of pantyhose!:D
 

Your problem started with declaring an estimated amount. I run tours across the border and I always stress to people to put down the actual amount spent (converted into Canadian), NOT an estimate. The moment Customs sees an even number it raises a red flag for them.

Hope this doesn't come out the wrong way but...
When you fill out the declaration (or make an oral declaration) it is a legal statement that you're making. When you estimate the amount what you're doing in essence is making a false statement to the authorities. And *that* is why they come down hard on people. They even have on the declaration instructions, in bold print, "Customs officers make seize any goods or items that you do not declare or that you falsely declare. You may also face fines, arrest and/or prosecution".

And yes, this can apply to just putting down an estimate instead of the actual total. They don't usually take it that far, but they certainly can and if they're in a bad mood or you give them cause to mistrust you they will be very harsh.

The advice I give to all my passengers and clients is to make a list of all items purchased, total it, convert to CAD and put that amount down. It's a fairly easy thing to do, and saves a lot of aggravation. Remember to include things like repairs to the car if you're driving, those are subject to GST. Technically speaking any service that you're still "enjoying the benefits of" that was purchased in the US is something you're supposed to declare, even haircuts and manicures. I've never had them get that specific though, but they can.*

I've been over my limit several times in the last while, sometimes by as much as $150, and I haven't had to go in to pay duty in 2 years. As long as you're polite and honest with them, they shouldn't give you any trouble.

*I just remembered one of the bus drivers saying that he was "caught" because he had a haircut in the US on a trip and didn't declare it. Had to pay the GST and a small fine. This was several years ago though.

Bottom line: Always use actual amounts, never estimate. It's like estimating all the amounts for your taxes.
 
Do we need to keep receipts? This is an aspect I hadn't considered - we were going to do some Christmas shopping for neices and nephews while we're at Disneyland.
 
Yes absolutely, keep the receipts! They're the only proof you have of how much you've paid for your items. Especially good if you find a fantastic sale, otherwise if Customs decides to be picky and checks your stuff you'll be assessed at full value for the items, whatever they decide full value is. Plus customs can ask to see the receipts, so it's a good idea to not just have them but have them someplace handy.

I find it helpful to designate a section of my wallet for receipts. As soon as I purchase something the receipt goes there, not in the bag. On the way home they get made into a list, totalled and converted and I'm ready to go.

Some of my passengers use little portfolios for their receipts and list. Some use an envelope to put the receipts into every night, and then they write their list on the envelope itself. That way all the receipts and the list are together.


BTW the list *should* contain the store name, summary of items bought and amount. So it would look something like:

Walmart clothing 24.95
Disney Store toys 52.65
Duty Free liquor 12.88

Remember that duty free items do have to be included in the total you bring back, and they have to be listed separately at the bottom of the declaration (along with the amounts).

Oh, and the reason for listing the stores and a summary of purchases is this: If you go over your limit, and you have a particularly nice Customs agent (and they are out there!) they'll go over your list with you to try and identify items that are assessed at lower duty rates. Normally you get charged GST, PST and then there's a special duty rate for general overage of I believe 4% for the first few hundred. However some items have a lower rate, and some are exempt. I remember being over by about $200 once several years ago and the agent trying very hard to find a way to lower my total due for me.
 
I was told it is mandatory to keep receipts! And I know Amberle3 it is a legal document. I just wasn't thinking.

The problem is...I went a day early..it was a 7 day cruise...stopping in 4 ports. It is hard to remember every little thing! I think it is also high time that us Canadaian's had an increase in our allowance. The U.S allows much more than we get (I think perhaps $1,200 USD) and is not limited to every so often either. If we weren't treated like children perhaps we wouldn't behave like them either!

In this instance...it was an oversight. But yes...during Buffalo trips I have also rounded off my estimates as well.They seem to have more authrority than the Police!

Funny thing is...my friend was wearing a $2,000 USD diamond bracelet through that she purchased on the cruise and they didn't even give her a second look. Just luck I guess....
 
and..

my daughter was also questioned about a jacket from Esprit that we purchased at least 2 years ago! Am I supposed to have kept that bill too? I think they should be looking for bigger fish to fry than us!

Her Christmas watch (Purchased here) was also checked over and interrogated. My daughter is very quiet...they asked her if she was so quiet "That she was hiding something"? They wouldn't get away with treating U.S citizens like that.When is a persons rights violated here?
 
Ok, so where do I go for a list of what's duty free and what isn't? (all of my planning and checking things, and I forgot about this...:rolleyes: )

I just realized that when I went to Hawaii 12 years ago I didn't have any receipts I could have gotten at in short order. Good thing all they asked about was fruit, and I didn't have any!
 
Originally posted by SKFamily
Ok, so where do I go for a list of what's duty free and what isn't? (all of my planning and checking things, and I forgot about this...:rolleyes: )

Well, the short answer is you don't. Duty rates change daily pretty much. Basically you just buy whatever you were planning on buying (or impulse buying) and list it. Whatever there's most of on your receipt (clothing, electronics, whatever) list that as what you purchased. If it's a mix then put "clothing and electronics" for example. That will help customs figure out what rate of duty to charge.

Oh, unless you were referring to my comment "Remember that duty free items do have to be included in the total you bring back, and they have to be listed separately at the bottom of the declaration (along with the amounts)." I meant things that you purchase at the Duty Free stores. Liquor, cigarettes, tobacco, perfume etc. Only the first three have to be listed separately on the form, there's an area to specify the quantity of alcohol and tobacco products you're bringing back. But some people think that because the store is "Duty Free" it means they don't have to declare the items, or include them in their total. They do.
 
I travel a lot for business and I never had any problem even if once about 10 years ago, my luggages got checked "randomly" in my way back to Canada (single, travelling alone, go figure).

I go to Europe 5-6 times a year for work, and I have the process down path.

Whatever I purchase, I keep the receipt, and I enter the information on a paper pad. I create a list with the original price, the converted to CAD and the total in Canadian dollar.

When I get to custom, I present my passport, and the list of items and their prices, and let them know that I have the receipts. Saying that many item are gifts for the family does not hurt either. If I am over the limit ($200 or $750 depending of the trip), I say so. You would be surprised how often I did not need to pay any duty for amount between $750 and $850.

I usually just breeze through with no problems.

My experience is that not knowing how much you are bringing to Canada is bad news, and you will be checked.


Chris

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I have a funny story about a trip to Niagara Falls that my family took when I was younger. At US toll booths people stay bumper to bumper the whole way through the booth. Well, at Canadian toll booths there is a stop sign about 10 feet before the actual booth. Being from the US, my family assumed that the sign was meant to notify you that you would be stopping at the booth. (In actuality you are supposed to stop at the sign until it's your turn.) So my father proceeded to stay right behind the person in front of us. When it was our turn the Canadian Official gave my father a 15 minute lecture about the rules in "His Country." And how if we weren't prepared to follow them then we would not be welcome back. Like he had the power to block my family out of the entire country! I was so scared, but now looking back, it was kinda funny :)
 
Of all the days for this topic to come up, it has to be when I'm catching a flight in a few hours! Not across the border mind you, but I'm still rushing about trying to get things packed and cleaned!

The thing you have to remember about going through Customs is that you really are in no-man's-land. Customs has absolute authority there. Yes, they do have more authority than the police. And although I'm sure there's some line (probably physical abuse) you basically have no rights when dealing with Customs, either Canadian or US. Which is an important thing to remember, and adjust your behaviour accordingly. (I've put a related story at the end)

minnie56, I know you already know this so I'm not harping on it, but for other people who might be reading and wondering why this kind of thing happens here's the lowdown. Once Customs decides that you've made a false declaration then basically all bets are off. You are a criminal suspect to them, period. Not that they're going to write up a police report on you, but you get treated like one. There's no respect (they don't need to respect you), there's no politeness. There's very little leniency. Everything you have on, everything you have with you becomes suspect. And they treat US citizens no different than Canadians.

And for those who think that well, what harm could a mother & daugher do let me tell you - as a travel student I got taken on a lovely tour of the customs area and showed the kinds of things that are used to smuggle things into the country, including fake lipstick cases. On the outside it looks like lipstick. Open it up and it looks like lipstick. But you can open it up further and there's a hollow for smuggling drugs. Or diamonds!

Just because YOU would never think to do such a thing doesn't mean (quite obviously) that someone else wouldn't. And the problem is that Customs has absolutely no idea what you're thinking. Some of the things I've seen (or have first-hand knowledge of):
- rubbing things like toothpaste on new jewelry to make it look older so Customs won't notice it
- wearing new items across the line so Customs won't think they're new (I know someone who went across the line for a day and bought a new pair of expensive boots and didn't declare them. He decided to wear them back. Something must have made Customs suspicious because they asked him to get out of the car and check something in the back of the trunk. He had his knee on the bumper and Customs could see that a) the boots had almost no wear on the soles and were therefore new and b) still had the pricetag on them! He had a pay a LOT.)
- Stuffing new clothing into the laundry bag so that Customs will confuse it with old stuff.

Believe me, they've seen it all. So just because you're a good law-abiding citizen that would never dream of doing anything like that, the moment you step over the line with Customs you get treated as if you were a criminal.

Oh, and minnie56 the best thing your daughter could possibly have said when Customs was questioning her being so quiet is "because I'm frightened, you're scaring me". There's a difference between being scared that Customs will find something, and scared because you're frightened. They know the difference, but it sometimes helps to remind them that quiet doesn't always equate to attitude.

As I mentioned before, Customs is like it's own little country. It has it's own rules. You basically have no rights. They can haul you into a private room and strip search you if they believe they have cause, and the only cause they need is that you've lied to them. We are SO USED to the freedom we have (on both sides od the border) to move more or less freely across with little problem that some people have started treating it like it's going through the checkout at the grocery store. Hi there, here's my stuff, do I get airmiles with that?

Just be polite, attempt to smile (even if you're dead tired). Have your forms filled out entirely and accurately. Have your ID, list and receipts ready. Be honest with them. DO NOT JOKE WITH THEM. I tell my passengers that Customs officers have no sense of humour, and while they're working that's certainly true. If the officer makes a bit of a joke with you then smile and be relieved that s/he's in a good mood. Do not pull any kind of attitude with them, they don't care who you are, how long you've been up, who has just died, what company you own or how frequently you travel. Whatever you give to them you will receive back, and if you think that they're rude when you're being nice to them then just wait and see what happens if you give them lip!

Now here's the related story: In addition to being a travel agency we run bus tours to the US. Almost all our passengers are seniors. We go across the border frequently so I've had a fair amount of exposure to US and Canadian customs, and the differences between roadway ports of entry and airport ones.

Several years ago one customs apparently had a tip that one of the buses was running drugs. We can only assume this is that happened anyway. It certainly wasn't OUR bus. But on the way into the US we were pulled aside, the bus was given a quick check and I was pulled off it and hauled into customs with my luggage which was thoroughly searched. I mean everything, including every tube of lipstick (see above note in the uses of fake lipstick containers). I was told basically to sit down and shut up. We were declared clean, and off we went. A few days later we returned home and went through the same thing with Canada Customs, except that they hauled EVERYONE off the bus and went through every piece of luggage. They had the dogs search the bus. They would not allow anyone to sit down, despite the fact that this was taking over an hour and I had 40+ senior citizens with me. When they got to me they went through every item (again) and even went as far as to take my date/address book and photocopy the pages of it. When they were finished with us I overheard one officer say to the other "I think we got the wrong one". Another company's bus was scheduled through on the same dates as ours, and had already crossed. They didn't search it.

Afterwards we spent several weeks trying to get answers from both US and Canada customs regarding what had happened, why they had done a thorough search of the bus and why we (specifically me) was treated that way, this was the answer we eventually got: They don't release any information on their investigations. It's not open for the public, they don't have to tell anyone and they're not going to, thanks for writing. Have a nice day. On the treatment issue it was made clear to us that Customs can treat people however they want to - as long as they don't overstep human rights issues as far as ethical treatment then they're within their rights to do whatever they want. You have no rights.

So the advice I'm giving people is from the "been there, done that, don't even want the t-shirt" file.
 
I still don't like it though.

How about if I mail things back to myself as a gift? Any thoughts on that?;)
 
How in the heck would they know if you had a haircut or a manicure??
Grover in Winnipeg
 
minnie56 - I wouldn't bother changing your plates. I learned your lesson a few years ago.

They seemed to be "profiling" women who were travelling by themselves. I was returning from a conference in the US.
I did the same as you, and just rounded off, kept some receipts, etc. I had only about $300US, but what I did have were a few "freebies" they give out at conferences (T-shirt, book, bag) You have to declare those items too, as gifts. That I didn't know!! What the Customs Agent didn't like was how careless I was about the whole thing. The "freebies"was what set off the Agent. Well, did I get a talking to......actually finger shaking in my face (aka Alicia and Kimmi, Survivor Australia ;) ) Also, she found out I worked for the Airlines and wow that really did it! (your Oakville, Queens story)

The CA also told me I was marked, in the computer as a potential smuggler, etc. I paid the fine, duty, tax, and learned a valuable lesson.

The next time through Pearson, I was send over to be checked. I had all my receipts carefully documented and converted. The agent was impressed and said, "oh, I see you've had a problem before" I was really nice, admitted that I was wrong (which I was......) and told her I learned my lesson! She was really nice about it and only had me pay the GST (I was really over limit!)

Luckily, I've never had a problem since.

You may encounter a few times when you are checked again. But if you have all your papers in order, I'm sure they will ease up a bit. I've never been stopped since that second time.

Keep your receipts, especially that first receipt from your first stop if you are driving (restaurant, snack, gas, etc) This will prove when you went to the US (we had this problem once) I have a little plastic portfolio that I keep my confirmation numbers, etc. All the receipts go in there as I spend.

Also, I think the US are allowed $400USD p.p. unlimited times.

Good luck, next time!
 
Canada Customs is watching!

In my opinion...they wouldn't! Throw the bill away...if you indeed get one...and say nada! Same with repairs to a car. They get under your vehicle now? I am only willing to fess up to so much here!
Next they'll be assessing taxes and duty on what we eat whilst away on vacation!:rolleyes:
 
I just checked out what the U.S residents are allowed. $800 USD unlimited and $200 even on a day trip with no limits. We are only allowed $50 AFTER 24 hrs! US residents can even come accross just to buy duty free!

I hate the 'control' aspect of it. In the European Community (Which is often likened to our 'free trade' with the U.S) they can travel from country to country freely shopping as they go! Brits go across to France just to pick up boxes of wine.

How civilized!

Kind of like being told we can only have Bell Expressvu and Bell Canada for our phone system!
 





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