Anyone else HATE rap music?

[jillyjoey]

So wait, "Scarface" is acceptable because you liked it and because it's just a movie?

But rap music should be censored?

Again, how do you claim moral superiority? How is Scarface any more wholesome and pure than "Cop Killer"?

This is why I'm glad our rights are constitutionally affirmed and not left up to one person to determine.

You didn't read my post correctly -- I said I enjoyed it as a movie -- but it is just that a movie -- don't glorify Tony Montana - he is not a character to be emulated or glorified by society. Furthermore ... I think any genre that glorifies the killing of police officers should be banned. That's my opinion plain and simple. But then my DH is a deputy sheriff -- so it's personal.

Moreover ... I have done criminal law exclusively for the past 15 years in Tennessee -- these gangbangers also idolize Tony Montana -- "wake up people he was a fictional character!" And no, I don't blame rap music for turning these people into gangbangers -- but I certainly do not think that it is turning them away

 

[ChrisFL]

You didn't read my post correctly -- I said I enjoyed it as a movie -- but it is just that a movie -- don't glorify Tony Montana - he is not a character to be emulated or glorified by society. Furthermore ... I think any genre that glorifies the killing of police officers should be banned. That's my opinion plain and simple. But then my DH is a deputy sheriff -- so it's personal.

Moreover ... I have done criminal law exclusively for the past 15 years in Tennessee -- these gangbangers also idolize Tony Montana -- "wake up people he was a fictional character!" And no, I don't blame rap music for turning these people into gangbangers -- but I certainly do not think that it is turning them away

Ok, rap is NOT a genre that glorifies killing of police officers. In fact I've only heard maybe 2 or 3 songs in my life that has any mention of killing police officers and I've been listening to rap music for about 18 years now.

 

[MamaLema]

I can't say I hate it because I don't understand half of what they're saying.

I don't hate any type of music, but I don't like any songs that have such explicit lyrics, whether the song is rap or any kind of music. You couldn't pay me enough money in the world to listen to Marilyn Manson.

 

[pearlieq]

You didn't read my post correctly -- I said I enjoyed it as a movie -- but it is just that a movie -- don't glorify Tony Montana - he is not a character to be emulated or glorified by society. Furthermore ... I think any genre that glorifies the killing of police officers should be banned. That's my opinion plain and simple. But then my DH is a deputy sheriff -- so it's personal.

I understood your post perfectly. I just think there are some problems with the ideas.

First off, how can you understand Scarface in terms of being just "a movie" but can't understand rap as just "a song". Don't you see a parallel there?

Also, the idea of banning a whole genre of music because of one offensive song is just plain silly. Do you honestly think every single rap song made in the last 15 years is about killing police officers???

Does that mean all poetry should be banned because one mentions suicide? That all country music should be banned because "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" glorifies casual sex?

Honestly these kind of narrow-minded, black-and-white viewpoints scare me. Someone hears (or more likely hears about) one thing they don't like, and all the sudden they feel justified in deciding what everyone else should and shouldn't be able to do.

I have much more respect for people who can understand things in context and think critically about things. I don't like "Cop Killer" either. I can understand some of the motivations behind the message, but I certainly don't advocate violence toward law enforcement or anyone else. It doesn't mean I'm ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater, though.

If you don't like rap, don't buy it and don't listen to it. That's fine. But don't go trying to tell me what I should be able to buy or listen to. That's not OK.

 

[Tybug]

So people should be allowed to refer to their local hockey team as "rednecks" because Jeff Foxworthy uses the term publically? That makes no sense. One has nothing to do with the other.

The girls basketball team...which consisted of white and black students...had nothing to do with with the lyrics of some gangsta rapper's song.

No, I don't think those terms(including redneck) should be used at all! I live in the south and hear people refer to us in that way all the time. Do I like it or think just because Foxworthy uses it it's okay to call me one? No, I don't. But as long as people like Foxworthy continue to use it... it will be there. I feel those are the ones that keep these words alive.

As for the hockey team... we don't have one... I know nothing about them or the term redneck used in regards to it.

Don't discount my feelings on the subject and please re-read my post, especially the part where I said this had nothing to do with the Imus fiasco!

 

[SadieDog]

I like some rap/hip hop. I enjoy working out to the songs I like and playing it so I can dance around the house while cleaning. Anything to make a dull job more pleasant. I'd take it over most country music.

 

[cybrkitn]

Gangsta Rap isn't new, it started in the early 90's...and it's much less prominent today than it was back then.

I guess I still consider it "new". I was a teen in the 80's so the 90's to me are still fairly recent. It doesn't seem like it was 10+ years ago to me, but then again neither do the 80's

 

[jillyjoey]

I understood your post perfectly. I just think there are some problems with the ideas.

First off, how can you understand Scarface in terms of being just "a movie" but can't understand rap as just "a song". Don't you see a parallel there?

Also, the idea of banning a whole genre of music because of one offensive song is just plain silly. Do you honestly think every single rap song made in the last 15 years is about killing police officers???

Does that mean all poetry should be banned because one mentions suicide? That all country music should be banned because "Save a Horse, Ride a Cowboy" glorifies casual sex?

Honestly these kind of narrow-minded, black-and-white viewpoints scare me. Someone hears (or more likely hears about) one thing they don't like, and all the sudden they feel justified in deciding what everyone else should and shouldn't be able to do.

I have much more respect for people who can understand things in context and think critically about things. I don't like "Cop Killer" either. I can understand some of the motivations behind the message, but I certainly don't advocate violence toward law enforcement or anyone else. It doesn't mean I'm ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater, though.

If you don't like rap, don't buy it and don't listen to it. That's fine. But don't go trying to tell me what I should be able to buy or listen to. That's not OK.

I don't listen to rap and don't have to -- if people want to listen to it - do it -- but I still think Cop Killer or whatever song it was should be BANNED. You're absolutely right I don't have to listen to it and I can't tell you not to. I never told you not to listen to it. I apologize that I shouldn't have used the term genre, I should have used 'song' as in my original post -- that such songs should be banned. I really don't care if it originated in rap, pop, country or whatever else there is. My opinion remains that any song that portrays or encourages the killing of law enforcement officers should be censored -- just the way that Imus was. I think there is a double standard. People are impressionable -- both sides say things that are wrong. If you advance the right of rappers to glorify cop killing under free speech then how do you differentiate that and Imus' statements. What's wrong is wrong!

 

[pearlieq]

My opinion remains that any song that portrays or encourages the killing of law enforcement officers should be censored

That I can agree with! I don't think "Cop Killer" is at all appropriate for public airwaves and it should be handled the way we handle other types of inflammatory adult content (warning lables, restricted sales procedures, etc.)

 

[jillyjoey]

That I can agree with! I don't think "Cop Killer" is at all appropriate for public airwaves and it should be handled the way we handle other types of inflammatory adult content (warning lables, restricted sales procedures, etc.)

Okay -- I'm about to reveal my age -- do CDs not contain the advisory label. I recall purchasing Guns n Roses Appetite for Destruction (on cassette tape) and it had a warning label on it. The only CDs I buy these days are Disney.

 

[djm99]

Okay -- I'm about to reveal my age -- do CDs not contain the advisory label. I recall purchasing Guns n Roses Appetite for Destruction (on cassette tape) and it had a warning label on it. The only CDs I buy these days are Disney.

They have a advisory labels. BTW, The Copy Killer CD is almost 20 years old (1988). Another FACT:Body Count is a North American heavy metal and Hardcore punk band headed by rapper Ice-T, who always refers to it as being a metal band. The band was formed in Los Angeles, California in 1990. They are believed to be a predecessor of many rapcore and rapmetal bands, although Ice-T never rapped in any of their songs up until their latest album. In 1992 they caused a nation-wide controversy with the song "Cop Killer". Ice T is on one of my favorite shows, Law & Order: SVU

Should we start a "Who hates heavy metal" thread?

 

[pearlieq]

Okay -- I'm about to reveal my age -- do CDs not contain the advisory label. I recall purchasing Guns n Roses Appetite for Destruction (on cassette tape) and it had a warning label on it. The only CDs I buy these days are Disney.

CDs definitley still contain the Parental Advisory sticker. That's how the CD with "Cop Killer" is sold (where it's even carried, obviously).

What strikes me as kind of strange about our music and movie ratings is that most theaters will card if you try to see a rated R movie, but you can usually just buy one at the store without any fuss. I don't know if they're supposed to card at the register, but I've never seen it done.

I sometimes wish that music could be rated like movies or video games. The advisory sticker is nice, but it's way too wide. You can get a mildly risque PG-13 type of CD in the same bin with an obviously NC-17 thing like "Cop Killer"

 

[pearlieq]

They have a advisory labels. BTW, The Copy Killer CD is almost 20 years old (1988). Another FACT:Body Count is a North American heavy metal and Hardcore punk band headed by rapper Ice-T, who always refers to it as being a metal band. The band was formed in Los Angeles, California in 1990. They are believed to be a predecessor of many rapcore and rapmetal bands, although Ice-T never rapped in any of their songs up until their latest album. In 1992 they caused a nation-wide controversy with the song "Cop Killer".

Ice T is on one of my favorite shows, Law & Order: SVU

He's an interesting guy, for sure. I'm not sure I'm quite on board with his take on life, but he does have talent to offer the world.

 

[ChrisFL]

I don't listen to rap and don't have to -- if people want to listen to it - do it -- but I still think Cop Killer or whatever song it was should be BANNED.

But it's also pretty sickening that someone points to that song as the only song thought of when the term "rap music" is mentioned.

 

[pearlieq]

But it's also pretty sickening that someone points to that song as the only song thought of when the term "rap music" is mentioned.

I suppose that's natural, though, if it's a genre that you're not too familiar with.

I admit when someone mentions country the first song that pops into my head is "Stand By Your Man". That's probably not the best for their PR purposes either!

 

[djm99]

He's an interesting guy, for sure. I'm not sure I'm quite on board with his take on life, but he does have talent to offer the world.

Acting talent - YES - I love Law & Order!!! In his personal life - the 'problem' (if I really cared) I have with him is his obvious sexist attitude and his desire to be a pimp. Yes I did type pimp. His wife - poor baby - is almost always naked, talking about being naked, or about to be naked. She is a hot mess!!! CoCo I think is her name - she looks like a porn queen.

 

[HomeSweetDisney]

His wife - poor baby - is almost always naked, talking about being naked, or about to be naked. She is a hot mess!!! CoCo I think is her name - she looks like a porn queen.

What?! Coco is SOOOO the most elegant woman in the world. She is the epitome of class and everyone should stive to be just like her!






ETA: As far as rap is concerned, I do listen to some of it. I like a few of the songs by Jay-Z, Ludacris, Kanye West, etc. But when it comes to music my motto is pretty much anything except techno and country.

 

[pearlieq]

Acting talent - YES - I love Law & Order!!! In his personal life - the 'problem' (if I really cared) I have with him is his obvious sexist attitude and his desire to be a pimp. Yes I did type pimp. His wife - poor baby - is almost always naked, talking about being naked, or about to be naked. She is a hot mess!!! CoCo I think is her name - she looks like a porn queen.

I totally know what you're talking about! I was watching this thing on cable once about celebrity wives and she was featured. Gack! I mean, they're both consenting adults so whatever, but you're right. She is a hot mess!

What I'll never forget, though, was him bringing his son, who looked to be about 6ish on camera and coaching him to say "I'm a pimp" or something similar. That turned my stomach. I felt awful he was passing that sexist crap down to a new generation.

 

[jillyjoey]

But it's also pretty sickening that someone points to that song as the only song thought of when the term "rap music" is mentioned.

Sorry that I used that song -- that's the one that came to mind because that when that song came out it was probably the last time I listened to current music. I don't listen to anything now that I listened to 15 -20 years ago. I wouldn't now what's on the top 10 list if I was listening to it.

I sounded like I was just bashing rap -- I don't mean to just bash rap -- I guess what I'm trying to say is that any song from any genre of music that degrades certain persons or encourages violence or illegal acts should be banned. If our society is to the point where certain publicized speech is banned or penalized, then why should it be condoned or encouraged if you put it to music.

 

[Fitswimmer]

Speaking of L&O SVU-how about the show Ludacris did! Wow, he was excellent.