Anyone else getting VERY frustrated?

I booked my 2010 trip from a Bounceback offer during my 2009 trip. I called last month to try to change my reservations. We booked the AKL and since we'd stayed there before we were going to try to stay somewhere else. I was told that there were no rooms available (in deluxe or moderate - didn't try value) so we kept the AKL reservations.

Wouldn't it be something if Disney doesn't offer the FD discount because they are booked up with all of the people "holding" reservations waiting to see whether they offer FD, therefore they don't feel they need to offer it? :lmao:
 
I booked my 2010 trip from a Bounceback offer during my 2009 trip. I called last month to try to change my reservations. We booked the AKL and since we'd stayed there before we were going to try to stay somewhere else. I was told that there were no rooms available (in deluxe or moderate - didn't try value) so we kept the AKL reservations.

Wouldn't it be something if Disney doesn't offer the FD discount because they are booked up with all of the people "holding" reservations waiting to see whether they offer FD, therefore they don't feel they need to offer it? :lmao:

That is exactly what I am thinking.
 
Have not booked yet and will not book if FD or something similar in value comes out. My mom and I would like to go on a super duper cheap trip this year to DW. If we have to pay for food- it's not super duper cheap anymore. We've already done a 5K trip to Colorado in February for skiing. We are planning a trip to Vegas in the late fall or early spring coming up. If we don't have FD we won't bother with DW this year.

We have DW tickets already. We want to just be able to buy cheap airfare, a value room and 1 base ticket. If we can't do that- we won't go to DW.

We will however be considering these deals I'm hearing about Universal. Something new and different sounds fun. We haven't done universal in at least 15 years.
 

I booked my 2010 trip from a Bounceback offer during my 2009 trip. I called last month to try to change my reservations. We booked the AKL and since we'd stayed there before we were going to try to stay somewhere else. I was told that there were no rooms available (in deluxe or moderate - didn't try value) so we kept the AKL reservations.

Wouldn't it be something if Disney doesn't offer the FD discount because they are booked up with all of the people "holding" reservations waiting to see whether they offer FD, therefore they don't feel they need to offer it? :lmao:
Who are "all of the people"? The people here on the Dis? We represent a very small number of people who go to Disney.
 
Have not booked yet and will not book if FD or something similar in value comes out. My mom and I would like to go on a super duper cheap trip this year to DW. If we have to pay for food- it's not super duper cheap anymore. We've already done a 5K trip to Colorado in February for skiing. We are planning a trip to Vegas in the late fall or early spring coming up. If we don't have FD we won't bother with DW this year.

We have DW tickets already. We want to just be able to buy cheap airfare, a value room and 1 base ticket. If we can't do that- we won't go to DW.

We will however be considering these deals I'm hearing about Universal. Something new and different sounds fun. We haven't done universal in at least 15 years.

You are like us. We have decided if there is no free dining there is no Disney for us. We bought our Universal tickets at AAA so we have those already. We booked the Hard Rock Hotel for 8 days/7 nights for $1052 including tax. It is a 4 star resort and when you stay onsite you get FREE UNLIMITED front of the line passes everyday. So going to Universal for 8 days with a luxury hotel AND money for food is a total of $2400. If we go to Disney to Pop Century for the same time and purchase the dining plan...it is over $3000. Uh no thanks. If Disney doesn't offer FD...they will not be able to compete with Universal. The hotels at Universal are starting to book up for October when we are going. That is very telling to me...people are finding out that Universal just offers a better deal cost wise.
 
You are like us. We have decided if there is no free dining there is no Disney for us. We bought our Universal tickets at AAA so we have those already. We booked the Hard Rock Hotel for 8 days/7 nights for $1052 including tax. It is a 4 star resort and when you stay onsite you get FREE UNLIMITED front of the line passes everyday. So going to Universal for 8 days with a luxury hotel AND money for food is a total of $2400. If we go to Disney to Pop Century for the same time and purchase the dining plan...it is over $3000. Uh no thanks. If Disney doesn't offer FD...they will not be able to compete with Universal. The hotels at Universal are starting to book up for October when we are going. That is very telling to me...people are finding out that Universal just offers a better deal cost wise.

I think part of it is due to WWOHP. It's going to be busy when it opens and it'll likely stay that way since the new movie releases in November. Universal will likely be doing one, if not more, pretty good deals to tie WWOHP with the new movie and keep the stamina going for it. I'm sure that's not the ONLY factor, but I don't doubt that's definitely part of it. It'll be interesting to see if they can keep those bookings up after the hype surrounding WWOHP dies down.
 
You are like us. We have decided if there is no free dining there is no Disney for us. We bought our Universal tickets at AAA so we have those already. We booked the Hard Rock Hotel for 8 days/7 nights for $1052 including tax. It is a 4 star resort and when you stay onsite you get FREE UNLIMITED front of the line passes everyday. So going to Universal for 8 days with a luxury hotel AND money for food is a total of $2400. If we go to Disney to Pop Century for the same time and purchase the dining plan...it is over $3000. Uh no thanks. If Disney doesn't offer FD...they will not be able to compete with Universal. The hotels at Universal are starting to book up for October when we are going. That is very telling to me...people are finding out that Universal just offers a better deal cost wise.

Especially if you get the 14 day flex pass. :thumbsup2
 
If some choose to wait, and Disney does release the discount, they are taking a chance that the ADRs they want, won't be available.

Not if they book ADRs now and the room/package stuff later. You don't have to have a room reservation to book ADRs now. As of today you can book them all the way through 10/2. Then, what happens when a bunch of people book ADRS (like I have already) and decide not to go because no promo comes along? If they don't cancel all those ADRs, not only would they have slow parks, but also lots of "ghost" ADRs.......sad.......

I'm a planner, I wish they'd just make up their minds.....
 
I think that is the risk you have to take if you know for sure that the only way you can go is with free dining. Not to say that you shouldn't go if that is the case, but if you know going in that you absolutely, positively can not go unless the total for room, tickets and dining is less than $X and you can only get to $X with free dining (or another discount of comparable amount, in which case you'll be OK too), then either you book early and hope for a discount knowing you have to cancel if it doesn't come OR you wait and if that means losing out on some ADRs, so be it. If your trip isn't worth it without certain ADRs, then you have to work with that scenario, but it doesn't guarantee free dining will come or that it will come on a timeline that will make you happy.

180 days from today is October 2nd, which is usually towards the end of the Free Dining promo so obviously Disney isn't concerned abour releasing Free Dining in time for 180 day ADRs. If they were, this discussion wouldn't be happening at all! I don't think they plan their discount releases around convenience for guest ADR planning, they do it to fit their business model. Yeah, it's aggravating for those of us who plan obsessively, but it's business. People will fill the popular restaurants no matter what - promo or no promo - so they aren't worried about that part of it. In fact, I bet they'd love to see more people forced to eat at the oddball restaurants because the more people coming back saying "OMG, I had the best meal at _____" might mean that demand goes off there and takes some pressure off of the big gun restaurants.

:thumbsup2 This is exactly what I meant.
 
I think Disney is smart enough to know that many will cancel if theres no FD or other good fall special.

I have booked our trip so that I could get my ADR's at 180+10. I used a 20% off values pin but thats not much of a savings. If there isn't FD or something close to that in value then we will be cancelling and moving our fall vacation elsewhere. Can't afford Disney otherwise.
 
I am not commenting on anything related to budgets, affording things, booking 'phantom' things, or any of that stuff. To each his own, none of my concern.

What I am commenting on is the WHY ARE THEY NOT OFFERING IT? topic.

With more than 18 years in the hospitality industry, including the last several in an analyst/consultant position, i am aware that there are background reasons for them not to offer it.

They may be quietly planning a cut in overhead.
Close buildings or sections of resorts = less maintenance/mousekeeping personnel needed. Close or shorten hours of some food service locations = less product needed, less labor needed, 'consolidation' effect where the business shifts to a nearby location (they assume that onsite guests will eat somewhere). Fewer guests = less transportation personnel needed, less ticketing personnel needed, less front-desk CMs needed, less bell services CMs needed... you see the pattern. Even with specifically not encouraging TS dining, you can cut a percentage of man hours in your kitchens, cut the number of scheduled servers, and reduce your product purchases to adjust.

Not talking about layoffs, more about working your used-to-be-42-hours-a-week folks at 38. Or 36. Or whatever the upside number is. Reducing or freezing hiring. Encouraging or requiring cross-training for CMs to be able to do more things. Maximizing the amount you do spend on labor while minimizing the amount you need to spend (to maintain standards).

It's a natural thing to do, to maximize profitability in a slower economic climate.

It seems reasonable to me that this is what they are actually working on. I am not privy to any WDW-related information that is not publicly available, but I have worked through similar processes with various organizations myself.

Why are they offering summer discounts? Local traffic.
It's summer. They are expecting/projecting a certain level of attendance with an increase in local patronage over the off-season. (By local, I mean within a relatively narrow radius, not necessarily just people who live in Orlando.) These folks are coming, and their expenditures will be regular and predictable - but they are less likely to stay on-site, if they do spend the night and come for multiple days they are possibly more likely to stay off-site and drive in. So what does WDW need to complement this situation? More people in on-site rooms. They need to keep the foodservice at full capacity, and they need to keep the fringe amenities like fireworks and gift shops and things open at full capacity/activity - because the parks are going to have an average/normal attendance. So those costs are pretty much fixed. All they need is to ramp up the amount coming in on the resort rooms. Therefore, discount them.



I am not saying that they will certainly not offer free dining. Just that, from my perspective, it seems less likely than in years past, given the economic responsibility of managing such a large enterprise while making a profit. I truly do hope that, for those of y'all who are dependent on getting FD or some other deep package discount for the fall, they do decide to offer it. I travel to WDW for R&R at all times of the year, even during FD sometimes, and I do not have a negative opinion of the program or anyone who waits with their mickey ears crossed to hear about it being offered. I myself have taken advantage of it in the past when it suited my party's needs. So here's hoping that y'all do get what you seek - even if I do so with some trepidation. :thumbsup2
 
I think Disney is smart enough to know that many will cancel if theres no FD or other good fall special.
I agree. It's not as if when the time comes and they don't offer FD (or some other promo) and people cancel, they'll be sitting there thinking, "OMG, I didn't see THAT coming!" Trust me, they're smart...they're well aware people book in advance and that some will cancel if a promo that would benefit them doesn't come out.
 
I agree. It's not as if when the time comes and they don't offer FD (or some other promo) and people cancel, they'll be sitting there thinking, "OMG, I didn't see THAT coming!" Trust me, they're smart...they're well aware people book in advance and that some will cancel if a promo that would benefit them doesn't come out.

I also think so too- but only time will tell. They could just do it anyway (cancel FD) and then figure out that it doesn't 'work' the way the thought it would (ie- people cancel), and then in 2011 decide better. OR it could work just as they suspected (people will still come) and then FD will be a 'thing of the past'.

I don't know if we are 'the norm' being posters on DW boards- but there are many on here that will cancel and go elsewhere or who just won't book period. We were talking about FD over Easter yesterday. My mom was saying 'maybe we can swing a trip in the fall this year, maybe we should look into what they are offering'. I told her I would. THEN she started talking about universal and how she has wanted to go there. I wonder how much business HP will bring to Universal this year?

I do wonder just how many people will actually cancel already booked trips or not book at all. How many will just go anyway b/c they are 'diehards'. Only time will tell.
 
Disney's policy is you have to cancel 45 days out wit no penalty or if you book room only, you have 5 days with no penalty.
If WDW decides no free dining this year and they see that attendance drops a lot, maybe they'll rethink it. Some people have stopped going to Disney during free dining because they don't like the crowds that come with FD. There was a time when Sept. and Oct were popular because the crowds were lower.

We book room only and add the package before we go if we decide to do the dining plan. I've added it 5 days before a trip with no problem.

If some choose to wait, and Disney does release the discount, they are taking a chance that the ADRs they want, won't be available.

For the record...it isn't a risk not to book as far as ADR's go. We will not book Disney until we see the fall promo code. We got Universal Studios onsite hotel deals 2 months ago and booked it. However if FD is offered by Disney we may go to Disney instead. So because of that we have already started booking our ADR's. I havent had one issue booking the ADR's that we want at all. I can only do one per day since I am at the 180 day mark and I do not have a resort ressie...but so far so good! Anyone can book reservations 180 days out...if you dont go...give them away at the Dis or just cancel them.
 
I also think so too- but only time will tell. They could just do it anyway (cancel FD) and then figure out that it doesn't 'work' the way the thought it would (ie- people cancel), and then in 2011 decide better. OR it could work just as they suspected (people will still come) and then FD will be a 'thing of the past'.

I don't know if we are 'the norm' being posters on DW boards- but there are many on here that will cancel and go elsewhere or who just won't book period. We were talking about FD over Easter yesterday. My mom was saying 'maybe we can swing a trip in the fall this year, maybe we should look into what they are offering'. I told her I would. THEN she started talking about universal and how she has wanted to go there. I wonder how much business HP will bring to Universal this year?

I do wonder just how many people will actually cancel already booked trips or not book at all. How many will just go anyway b/c they are 'diehards'. Only time will tell.

I think the crowds at Universal will be tremendous. I know that when we booked at the Hard Rock Hotel they told us that our unlimited front of the line pass would only be valid once per ride per day in the WWoHP attractions. They are running a Stay More Save More rate that is about the same price as a value resort at Disney. It is amazing how cheap it is. As far as Disney goes...it is better to offer free dining and fill those hotels, than it is to not offer it and get less attendance. The employees of the hotels, and the park have to be paid no matter how many people are there. I know we spent a small fortune there last year between MNSSHP tickets, and costumes, and photos and albums, etc. I guess we will see.
 
For the record...it isn't a risk not to book as far as ADR's go. We will not book Disney until we see the fall promo code. We got Universal Studios onsite hotel deals 2 months ago and booked it. However if FD is offered by Disney we may go to Disney instead. So because of that we have already started booking our ADR's. I havent had one issue booking the ADR's that we want at all. I can only do one per day since I am at the 180 day mark and I do not have a resort ressie...but so far so good! Anyone can book reservations 180 days out...if you dont go...give them away at the Dis or just cancel them.

Oh, I book our ADRs as soon as allowed. It's very easy to cancel them online if plans go awry.
 
I don't quite agree with the "if you can't go without a discount, you shouldn't go" theory, but I firmly believe you shouldn't book without a discount if you can't go without one. I'm talking about the "book now so I get a room but cancel if the discount doesn't come out" folks. I don't know how Disney is supposed to predict what kind of promotions are needed if their rooms are already booked. :confused3 I think we'd maybe see some good discounts quicker if people just resisted the urge to book before the discounts that they need come out. JMHO.

Sorry but I am booking now !! I wanted to wait for the discount before booking !!But as it is sooo late went ahead and booked !! I really want to go and am praying for a good code , even if it's not FD!!!Once I am bookeed I will make my adrs and ashould I be unable to go I will cancel them!!I agree it does give a false sign to Disney but I wanna make those adrs before months end !!
 
I also think so too- but only time will tell. They could just do it anyway (cancel FD) and then figure out that it doesn't 'work' the way the thought it would (ie- people cancel), and then in 2011 decide better. OR it could work just as they suspected (people will still come) and then FD will be a 'thing of the past'.

With the recent extensions on extensions for summer discounts I have to wonder if the peak season isn't peaking. Fall specials have got to be better than peak season I would think. Why else would anyone go when it is hot, humid, hurricane season, raining and kids have to be taken out of school? May as well as wait until the winter months when crowds are low and weather is great!
 


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