Anybody wish they'd stop building DVC on site?

[spruce]

The more resorts they build gives us more choices but don't we also lose some things with additional resorts?
Won't we be losing stormalong bay pool hopping with the addition of BCV?
Hasn't the recent thread indicated that our value per point is changing?
How can they continue to justify higher prices with less years left on our right to use?
We've gone from around 25 GVs at OKW to 5 at BWV to 0 at both VWL and BCV plus all the rooms are smaller.
They don't seem interested in building any more stand alone resorts.
Off the top of my head, I can't think of any more, feel free to add to this list....What do you think?.....spruce

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[brittsmamabwv]

hey spruce, where did you hear that we would be loosing our pool privleges? Our home is BWV and i like the idea that we can walk across the bridge to the beach club...if the other posts are correct, it will cost more to stay at the BCV, so that would not be too beneficial to us, along w/ other members i'm sure. Which I guess does add to rich's theories of the 11 month window being so much more important, etc.

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[spruce]

Maybe I have the wrong info but once VWL was added wasn't pool hopping to WL dropped? Wouldn't this then be the case at the Beach Club when BCV are added?....spruce

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[brittsmamabwv]

I haven't heard anything about that....where is DOC when we need him

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[spiceycat]

you won't lose your pool hopping you will lose the right to use your points to stay in the hotel part of the BC (just like now we can't use our points to stay at the WL). Don't know if the YC would be included or not.

No, I don't think we will lose anything. When my grandmother first took us to WDW we stayed at the Polyn, then you could rent it through disney, so it was not the popular resort of today. But the price per room was the same as the Sheraton I think it was $69, today it goes for around $325, while this same Sheraton you can rent for $49. As long as people (and kids) want to vacation at WDW you will not lose, now the timeshares that surround WDW in Kissimmee and Orlando will lose, but that why we brought at disney in the first place right.

Besides I brought to use the timeshares, not as an investment (I have stock for that).

 

[Jimbo]

I never heard that pool hopping wasn't allowed at WL. What WAS disallowed was staying at WL on points, just like we can't use our points to stay at Boardwalk Inn. If that's true, what we'll lose is the ability to stay at Y&BC on DVC points. No biggie (IMHO).

 

[Mickies'Girl]

I don't think the pool hopping has stopped, you just can't stay at the lodge anymore.

 

[brittsmamabwv]

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[brittsmamabwv]

I need to study up on my DVC club <IMG SRC="/infopop/emoticons/icon_confused.gif" alt="confused"> I never realized once they built a DVC on resort props that you couldn't stay at the "hotel" ...not that I would, it seems beneficial to stay in the DVC portion, bigger rooms and more amenities etc. Thats the reason why we have not stayed at the BC yet. It was always more expensive then my home resort. I'm hoping it will be cheaper to stay at the BCV than the hotel itself.

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[RobDoc]

It's always interseting to see what rumors we can generate and sustain here! We seem to have a number of comments and theories which, when repeated often enough and with emphasis, tend to become accepted as fact- even though there is no basis- except our own imagination and speculation.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Won't we be losing stormalong bay pool hopping with the addition of BCV? [/quote] There has been no announcement from DVC about losing any pool hopping priviledges. There was some speculation posted here that AKL would be off limits- but even that has not been announced by DVC.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Hasn't the recent thread indicated that our value per point is changing?
[/quote] The "recent thread" does suggest that, but the thread is also based on opinion. Time will tell if the point values continue to rise for stays at new DVC resorts.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>How can they continue to justify higher prices with less years left on our right to use?
[/quote] The sales figures are what justify the higher prices. When sales are affected by the declining years- then the price may even come back down. I expect that once the sales prove to be affected by the 2042 date- we'll see no more new DVC resorts. (But, that does NOT mean Disney won't build more Timeshares- just not as part of our DVC.)

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> We've gone from around 25 GVs at OKW to 5 at BWV to 0 at both VWL and BCV plus all the rooms are smaller.
[/quote] In the analysis of the utilization of available space and the reservation history of the existing GV's, DVC has determined that the space and resources will be better managed by filling those spaces with Studios, 1BR and 2BR villas.

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>They don't seem interested in building any more stand alone resorts. [/quote] The first 3 resorts were primarily stand alone (VB could be considered an exception to that). There are only 2 (plus BCV) which are part of another resort entity. It remains to be seen whether more resorts will be added to DVC at all. There has been a persistant rumor that DVC will build another stand alone at Bonnet Creek around the golf courses there. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

Stay Tuned!

Doc
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[Lesley]

"How can they continue to justify higher prices with less years left on our right to use?"

As Doc has said...people are willing to pay them!

But really I think they'll hit the point fairly soon where 2042 is going to start looking awfully close. I think when DVC first started many new members were assuming that by 2042 their interest in DVC would be passed on to their children or that they'd be at an age that they'd be less than worried about still going to WDW. But, well, those of us who are in our 20's now are going "gee, I'll only be 60!" (or 55 or whatever...) when our DVC time is up. I know that if an add-on doesn't become possible for me in the next 5 years or so I don't know if I would do it at today's prices, never mind higher ones. There's just not that much time left.

I am very interested to see if they decide to continue in the timeshare business with a new version of DVC that ends in...hmmmm....say 2072 or so. (Or later....I'll only be 100....just pop me into my ecv and I'll see you all there! )
Or if they could come up with some sort of rotating plan where your membership is good for 50 use years or something (probably difficult if not legally impossible...but who knows)

Of course this is all just my own opinion and has very little basis in anyone's reality except mine!

One note on the worries about the ending of pool hopping privledges....I have seen absolutely no evidence that we will ever lose pool hopping from any reliable source within DVC. It sort of reminds me of when we were getting ready for our Nov. 1999 trip and Disney was late in announcing enights for that month. There were all kinds of posts on the trip planning board about how they might be ending enights.....this rumor went around like wildfire and was started by no more than someone saying "my, I hope they aren't ending them!" As far as I know it still may be happening every month on that board! Still doesn't give it any basis in reality. I really think all these speculations about losing pool hopping are the same thing. Why worry about it?


Lesley


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[PamOKW]

A "plus" for DVC resort versions of your favorite...a studio at VWL in Magic Season costs 14 points weekdays and 32 weekends. A plain old hotel room in WL would run 34 weekdays and 68 weekends. 134 vs. 306 for a 7 night stay. Maybe they figure DVC members just wouldn't see any value in staying in the hotel versions once a DVC opens. I think the World of Resorts exists so we don't feel unable to visit our favorite resort or the one we always wanted to try but the if you want to talk about the "value of a point" it's a big loser.

 

[Bennet]

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Hasn't the recent thread
indicated that our value
per point is changing?
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Yeah but you don't have to believe everything you read on the Internet.

Opinions follow:

There are those who make that argument, often. I don’t buy the assumptions on value but different opinions about value are what make a market.

Is the point scale at VWL different from BWV or OKW, yeah, so what? It is a different resort. Some rant about room size and location but bottom line each resort has its price and its fans.

The points have the same value they always have where they were bought. The point system at a given resort is a zero sum game. That is they can’t change the total number of points used to annualy at a given resort. So while they can change the seasonal point schedule, what they may add in one season they must take away from another.

That points bought at OKW may be used at VWL for rooms at a different rate than at OKW in no way effects the intrinsic value of the use they have at OKW, no matter how much bandwidth gets used saying otherwise. 501 points gets an OKW Grand Villa for a week in magic season no matter what they do at WLV. So the value of the OKW point is in no way less than what it was sold as.

In fact one can logical argue that, by adding another place to use OKW points, VWL adds value to the points of an existing OKW owner. And the existence of OKW, BWV, HH, and VB add value to a purchase of VWL points.

So based on the logic that more options add value I am happy to see more DVC resorts anywhere.

End of rant.

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[Richyams]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> That points bought at OKW may be used at VWL for rooms at a different rate than at OKW in no way effects the intrinsic value of the use they have at OKW, no matter how much bandwidth gets used saying otherwise. [/quote]

I haven't seen any opinions contrary to that. Who ever said that a point was worth less or losing value?

I read about every post, I hadn't seen any such claims.

"From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs", Karl Marx, pretty sick, huh?

 

[Jimbo]

I've stayed out of the "value of a point" thread too, but I'd have to say that you're mis-stating what's been discussed. The theory wasn't that OKW/BWV points would be worth less. Instead, it was just the opposite.

If BCV has a higher point-per-room chart than BWV, then points spent at BCV are intrinsically worth less then points spent at BWV. This assumes that the rooms are the same size; the locations are pretty much the same.

The reason that's worrisome is that BCV owners might eventually come to the conclusion that their points went farther for similar accomodations - and were therefore worth more - when used at BWV. So they'll reserve a room at BCV at 11 months, then try BWV at 7 months. If they get in at BWV they would cancel the BCV reservation. Making a reservation at short notice will become impossible.

That's the theory, as I understand it. And you can disagree with it, but that doesn't make it hot air.

 

[normr]

Luckily I am a OKW owner, but the practice that DVC has taken with no more GV's being built is ridiculous but I bet sales persons are using the beauty of the GV as part of their sales pitch telling people they'll be able to get ressies in one with the 7 month window with no problems.

I'd bet there is never a GV left at 7 months plus I doubt they ever go empty.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I would assume you are right. I do know that there are sometimes last minute cancelations. Our first trip as members, we encountered a couple at the Miller's Road quiet pool that was a couple staying in a grand villa because they got a last minute exchange into WDW through II. They were given the GV because it became available. They had to scrmble last minute to get guests to come down, and had most of the GV to themselves most of the time.

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[PamOKW]

Bennett you make sense.

The points you purchase at your home resort keep the same value. Any new DVC resort gives you an additional option at a rate that is less than staying at a different WDW World of Resort hotel.

The point cost is not the only consideration many people have when staying at a resort. Just like the regular dollar cost isn't the key factor for everyone. If that were true, no one would be staying at the GF since it costs more than the Poly or the Contemp but is in the same general area.

This point value theory is interesting to ponder but I don't think it's a cause for undue concern and worry. There are a lot of people who own at OKW, BWV and WLV who will probably have to be dragged to try another resort. People like what they like.