anybody got a guess when we get more info on Avatar?

[twebber55]

maybe some concept art around Christmas or so?

 

[Figment632]

Nope this one came out of left field and appears to still be in basic concept state.

 

[Faldred]

I doubt we'll see something anytime soon. From all indications, an overall deal was just struck, but it's going to take time to come with the specifics of the attractions and other theming, trying to make the entire project fit within the announced budget. Don't they expect to start breaking ground in 2013? If so, I doubt we'd see much in the way of concept art before next summer.

 

[nytimez]

I doubt we'll see something anytime soon. From all indications, an overall deal was just struck, but it's going to take time to come with the specifics of the attractions and other theming, trying to make the entire project fit within the announced budget. Don't they expect to start breaking ground in 2013? If so, I doubt we'd see much in the way of concept art before next summer.

I'd agree with this. I think we'll get a tease in maybe a year or so, when they're getting ready to break ground, then maybe a little more info at various events -- like D23 -- as construction begins/continues.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I'd agree with this. I think we'll get a tease in maybe a year or so, when they're getting ready to break ground, then maybe a little more info at various events -- like D23 -- as construction begins/continues.

its gonna be a longtime...

i had forgotten that Cameron is working on two more movies at this point.

No way this baby gets off the ground until 2018 is my guess. I'm sure Cameron has a guarantee of enough creative control in the contract where he can effectively delay and do something when he is bored/ available.

Look at how the George Lucas "creative partnership" has gone. Not much happens until he sees a dip in his merch sales at wallymart

 

[tjkraz]

Look at how the George Lucas "creative partnership" has gone. Not much happens until he sees a dip in his merch sales at wallymart

Probably not the best parallel. My understanding is that the Lucas deal is very advantageous to Disney from a financial perspective, but most of the other control is in George's hands. They can't do anything without his say-so.

Having gone thorough that learning experience, it's safe to assume that Disney has deadlines and checkpoints built into the agreement with Cameron. They can't afford to see this turn into an 8-10 year construction if he gets distracted with True Lies 2.

As for timelines, my guess is a minimum of 6-12 months before we see much of anything. And even then the first release may just be a vague piece of teaser concept art that doesn't really show any identifiable attraction to speak of.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Probably not the best parallel. My understanding is that the Lucas deal is very advantageous to Disney from a financial perspective, but most of the other control is in George's hands. They can't do anything without his say-so.

Having gone thorough that learning experience, it's safe to assume that Disney has deadlines and checkpoints built into the agreement with Cameron. They can't afford to see this turn into an 8-10 year construction if he gets distracted with True Lies 2.

As for timelines, my guess is a minimum of 6-12 months before we see much of anything. And even then the first release may just be a vague piece of teaser concept art that doesn't really show any identifiable attraction to speak of.

I think my point was that projects where Disney shares creative control sometimes grind along pretty slowly...not just rides mind you - the swan and dolphin partnerships were difficult due to differences of opinion.


Sign me up for "true lies 2"...by the way.

 

[nytimez]

I think my point was that projects where Disney shares creative control sometimes grind along pretty slowly...not just rides mind you - the swan and dolphin partnerships were difficult due to differences of opinion.


Sign me up for "true lies 2"...by the way.

I thought Swan and Dolphin delays were due to lawsuits -- didn't Ron Miller make the deal, and then Eisner tried to scuttle it when he took over, leading to the lawsuits?

In any case, this level of creative partnership inside a US park is really unprecedented in so many ways, so it's hard to say what that'll mean in terms of how well everyone will get along and how all it will affect deadlines.

Personally, I'd rather see them delay it and get it right than rush ans get it wrong. I can wait an extra year for something awesome. But I don't want to spend the rest of my life visiting an attraction that isn't awesome.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I thought Swan and Dolphin delays were due to lawsuits -- didn't Ron Miller make the deal, and then Eisner tried to scuttle it when he took over, leading to the lawsuits?

In any case, this level of creative partnership inside a US park is really unprecedented in so many ways, so it's hard to say what that'll mean in terms of how well everyone will get along and how all it will affect deadlines.

Personally, I'd rather see them delay it and get it right than rush ans get it wrong. I can wait an extra year for something awesome. But I don't want to spend the rest of my life visiting an attraction that isn't awesome.

The way it reads is that the contractor who built EPCOT (tischman) claimed the had exclusive right to build at EPCOT...that would be your lawsuit.

That woulda meant it stemmed from dick nunis...as well.

Eisner was not against outsourcing hotels according to his biography...in fact he thought it was inevitable. But he hated the lack of control ( a recurring theme) and switched course and built 10 new disney hotels

 

[nytimez]

The way it reads is that the contractor who built EPCOT (tischman) claimed the had exclusive right to build at EPCOT...that would be your lawsuit.

That woulda meant it stemmed from dick nunis...as well.

Eisner was not against outsourcing hotels according to his biography...in fact he thought it was inevitable. But he hated the lack of control ( a recurring theme) and switched course and built 10 new disney hotels

Ah, got it. I knew it was something like that, didn't know the details.

Speaking of control -- and lack thereof -- gotta wonder how Joe Rohde feels about James Cameron playing in his sandbox.