Any Unschoolers here who ditched that method?

[cornflake]

For those suggesting private schools aren't held to the same testing standards so why should parents who homeschool be - accredited, licensed private schools are held to standards by the state, they can't just do whatever they want, and they're held to standards by their customers.

No one is paying $30-50k a year for a school without demonstrable results. Even on the cheap end, no one is paying $10-15k without demonstrable results either. They don't produce, they don't have students. This isn't true for homeschoolers.

Freedom of speech and the other is a banned topic on the DIS.

Feel free to google cases. But in a similar vein to why private schools are legal.

The Constitution is banned as a topic? I'm asking for the legal justification people are making linking the First Amendment to homeschooling, because it's not there - homeschooling itself isn't religious, if that's what you're implying, nor are many homeschoolers religious, we're talking about in general. Nor is the First Amendment the reason private schools are legal, no.

 

[MoonFaerie]

I'm sure you all have moved on to arguing about something else now, but DS was unschooled for K. We made the switch to public school for mostly social reasons. I'm reconsidering. DS is very nerdy and often chooses non-fiction over fiction. He's definitely a self-motivated learner. DD would need more traditional schooling if we homeschooled her, but she's the type of student that thrives socially and academically in public school.

ETA: The parents/guardians also have to work to expose the kids to educational opportunities. Like when we go to the zoo, we stop and read the signs and discuss the animals. Or when we go on a hike we talk about the insects and plants we encounter. That sort of thing. After chaperoning many field trips, it seems many parents don't do that. IMO, it's just like teaching manners. Model the desired behavior and it becomes habit. DD was super irritated with her field trip buddy at the zoo that just wanted to run from exhibit to exhibit.

 

[vicki_c]

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1046/j.1460-9568.2002.02043.x/full

And here's an article that states that while mild anxiety can facilitate learning, chronic and or extreme stress hinders it.
http://dr-c.hubpages.com/hub/Developing-a-behavior-management-system-for-kids

Lots of school kids have chronic and/or extreme stress.

Sorry but the European Journal of Neuroscience beats the mysterious "Dr. C" for veracity, in my book.

 

[NEVERENOUGHWDW]

...where are you getting that I assume people with masters degrees don't use the public school system? Given the frequency with which you make wildly inaccurate statements regarding the posts that have been made here, I can only deduce that you have some reading comprehension problems. Either that or you're being deliberately obtuse. Or perhaps you just want to fight instead of engage in a real discussion. Hmmm, which could it be....?

To answer your sham of a question - no, quite the opposite, I assume that the vast majority of people with Masters degrees use the public school system, since the vast majority of people as a whole use the public school system. Now would you like to explain to me how on Earth you came to that conclusion after reading my post? Wait, I already know your answer - your answer will be complete silence because you continually refuse to acknowledge any intelligent responses given to you and opt, instead, to troll around and look for posts that you can attempt to pick apart and insult.

I find it very odd that your education comes up over & over. Not only on this thread.
You made this a homeschooling thread not unschooling.
If you continue to spend time trying to convince others what a great job your doing it makes one think why are you trying to convince others?
I haven't seen other home schoolers do that on this thread or others.

I have answered questions I have seen addressed to me. I haven't been waiting for them or seeking them out.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

They already do this, and frequently. Immunizations, car seats and ever-older ages, regulating if I can leave my child in a car when I run into a convenience store, etc, etc. etc.

These are to reduce the risk of illness, death, or injury.

 

[jodifla]

These are to reduce the risk of illness, death, or injury.

Just like your obesity line of questioning.


Again, by your criteria, it's perfectly OK if a parent chooses to keep their child home and teach them nothing. That's way more damaging than the other scenarios.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

I posted additional information as well as what you can look up. You don't seem to be up to date on why things are legal and I am not discussing or providing the links to explain why as I have in the past gotten points for seemingly benign information and don't wish to go down that road.

Private schools in some states are held to looser standards than public schools. They are free to set most of their curriculum and where testing is required, they are not necessarily required to take the same state test. They can choose. In Florida, many choose private school to avoid the FCAT as private schools do not have to utilize the FCAT.

So--No, private schools are not held to the same standards (as a universal statement).

For those suggesting private schools aren't held

to the same testing standards so why should parents who homeschool be - accredited, licensed private schools are held to standards by the state, they can't just do whatever they want, and they're held to standards by their customers.

No one is paying $30-50k a year for a school without demonstrable results. Even on the cheap end, no one is paying $10-15k without demonstrable results either. They don't produce, they don't have students. This isn't true for homeschoolers.



The Constitution is banned as a topic? I'm asking for the legal justification people are making linking the First Amendment to homeschooling, because it's not there - homeschooling itself isn't religious, if that's what you're implying, nor are many homeschoolers religious, we're talking about in general. Nor is the First Amendment the reason private schools are legal, no.

 

[knitster]

I find it very odd that your education comes up over & over. Not only on this thread.
You made this a homeschooling thread not unschooling.
If you continue to spend time trying to convince others what a great job your doing it makes one think why are you trying to convince others?
I haven't seen other home schoolers do that on this thread or others.

I have answered questions I have seen addressed to me. I haven't been waiting for them or seeking them out.

My education (or my husbands, more specifically) keeps coming up because it's relevant. When people are making idealistic claims about what a person with an education degree does and doesn't know, my husband's degree/input is relevant. When people ask me how I will know what my kids need to know to enter college, mine and my husband's education are relevant. When someone says that a high schooler should know x,y, and z and my husband holds 2 higher education degrees and doesn't know x, y, or z, that's relevant.

You say that my education has come up on other threads, but I'm quite sure I don't know what you're talking about. I sporadically post on the Dis once every few months and the only other time I can recall ever talking about education is the other day on a thread asking about Gifted and Talented classes. So...everyone was discussing their experiences with G&T and I shared mine...which was relevant to the discussion. I can't fathom where you're trying to go with that line of thought, but I do think it's a bit weird that you dug around to see what else I've been posting. In your own words, do you have nothing better to do with her afternoon than to stalk around on the dis?

And how, exactly, are you going to claim that I'm the one who turned this into a homeschooling thread?! Are you kidding me?! There are no less than a dozen people who've been engaged in a homeschooling discussion here and somehow that's my responsibility? I feel like I should be pretty impressed with myself.

Lastly, I'm most definitely not trying to convince anyone of anything regarding my kids and how I school them. If I was, I would certainly do something other than sit around and bicker. I'd show examples of their work, copies of my grade books, videos of their projects and reports. But I wouldn't do that, because I don't care whether or not anyone here finds my schooling to be up to par.

 

[DebIreland]

For anyone who wants a good ol' laugh, I was curious so I went and had a browse though an unschooling forum. Oh my goodness. There are some seriously messed up and ineffectual parents there. Apparently part of unschooling is allowing an unrestricted diet - kids can eat whatever they want, whenever they want. One guy is talking about how he can't afford to buy all the sweets his child keeps asking for and he's worried that he might hurt the kids feelings if he says no to his requests. Oh lord, you couldn't make this crap up. For anyone interested here is that thread: http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cost-of-unrestricting-food

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Just like your obesity line of questioning.


Again, by your criteria, it's perfectly OK if a parent chooses to keep their child home and teach them nothing. That's way more damaging than the other scenarios.

I never said that.

Additionally, I have said that I am concerned for the children in the OP.

I also disagree with the state directing me via regulations on what to feed my child. I simply brought it up as a point.

I am for minimal homeschooling regulation, not the complete absence of it.

I am not okay with being told what I must teach my child as, for example, the state of MD dictates. We have our curriculum that we carefully researched. We have tested since the beginning and it proven our selections to be much more than adequate. I have my children's best interests at heart and don't need a state to tell me that my child must learn ______ in 4th grade history so that they can vouch that my child is learning history.


My thoughs on writing would make your head spin. Example: They learn the creative separate from the physical act of writing via dictation and copy work.

 

[cornflake]

I posted additional information as well as what you can look up. You don't seem to be up to date on why things are legal and I am not discussing or providing the links to explain why as I have in the past gotten points for seemingly benign information and don't wish to go down that road.

Private schools in some states are held to looser standards than public schools. They are free to set most of their curriculum and where testing is required, they are not necessarily required to take the same state test. They can choose. In Florida, many choose private school to avoid the FCAT as private schools do not have to utilize the FCAT.

So--No, private schools are not held to the same standards (as a universal statement).

Heh, I suspected I knew which cases were involved, though you had one unexpected, and the rider there was the 14th. It's - and the other I know of - famous because of its relation to the 14th and vice versa. So... yeah, guess I'm just not up to date on why things are legal... in the case from nearly 100 years ago that doesn't have to do with what you seem to think it does - in that the privatization issue isn't tied to the First, no, but ... Okie doke.

 

[declansdad]

For anyone who wants a good ol' laugh, I was curious so I went and had a browse though an unschooling forum. Oh my goodness. There are some seriously messed up and ineffectual parents there. Apparently part of unschooling is allowing an unrestricted diet - kids can eat whatever they want, whenever they want. One guy is talking about how he can't afford to buy all the sweets his child keeps asking for and he's worried that he might hurt the kids feelings if he says no to his requests. Oh lord, you couldn't make this crap up. For anyone interested here is that thread: http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cost-of-unrestricting-food

Apparently editing and proofreading is not part of the radical unschooling way.

eta: There are some scary discussions on that site. Just looked through one about children refusing to wash their hair. The was one parent that stated their child hadn't washed his hair inover a year.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

For anyone who wants a good ol' laugh, I was curious so I went and had a browse though an unschooling forum. Oh my goodness. There are some seriously messed up and ineffectual parents there. Apparently part of unschooling is allowing an unrestricted diet - kids can eat whatever they want, whenever they want. One guy is talking about how he can't afford to buy all the sweets his child keeps asking for and he's worried that he might hurt the kids feelings if he says no to his requests. Oh lord, you couldn't make this crap up. For anyone interested here is that thread: http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cost-of-unrestricting-food

I will pass.

I bet there are some doozies just like the helicopter parents who begin in K and keep flying until the hold graduates from college and mommy and daddy swoop on in to join them for their first career interview.

There is a reason HSLDA does not provide membership to unschoolers.

 

[knitster]

For anyone who wants a good ol' laugh, I was curious so I went and had a browse though an unschooling forum. Oh my goodness. There are some seriously messed up and ineffectual parents there. Apparently part of unschooling is allowing an unrestricted diet - kids can eat whatever they want, whenever they want. One guy is talking about how he can't afford to buy all the sweets his child keeps asking for and he's worried that he might hurt the kids feelings if he says no to his requests. Oh lord, you couldn't make this crap up. For anyone interested here is that thread: http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cost-of-unrestricting-food

yikes!

My thoughs on writing would make your head spin. Example: They learn the creative separate from the physical act of writing via dictation and copy work.

Same here. We seem to have quite similar curriculum/methodology choices.

 

[cornflake]

For anyone who wants a good ol' laugh, I was curious so I went and had a browse though an unschooling forum. Oh my goodness. There are some seriously messed up and ineffectual parents there. Apparently part of unschooling is allowing an unrestricted diet - kids can eat whatever they want, whenever they want. One guy is talking about how he can't afford to buy all the sweets his child keeps asking for and he's worried that he might hurt the kids feelings if he says no to his requests. Oh lord, you couldn't make this crap up. For anyone interested here is that thread: http://familyrun.ning.com/forum/topics/the-cost-of-unrestricting-food

Oh why did you post that?! Did you see this one?! Someone who respects their toddler's right to not have his hair washed. For months. How to convince him to WANT his hair washed?!

 

[DebIreland]

Apparently editing and proofreading is not part of the radical unschooling way.

True!

For some reason, this line had me guffawing! (I don't know if Haribo sweets are sold in the U.S. - they're little chewy jelly sweets):

"And if you can stop seeing each bag of Haribo or Jelly Babies as another pound gone that you won't get back and instead see it as a moment when you are building trust between you and them, it may not feel so expensive."

She's getting so philosophical about a bag of freakin' sweets. Meanwhile the kid is thinking "my Dad is such a sucker".

 

[knitster]

I have to step away from the computer before I get sucked into hours of reading that radical unschooling forum. So, so sad. Those kids are going to grow up and be quite shocked when they learn that the world does not, in fact, revolve around them.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Heh, I suspected I knew which cases were involved, though you had one unexpected, and the rider there was the 14th. It's - and the other I know of - famous because of its relation to the 14th and vice versa. So... yeah, guess I'm just not up to date on why things are legal... in the case from nearly 100 years ago that doesn't have to do with what you seem to think it does - in that the privatization issue isn't tied to the First, no, but ... Okie doke.

I cut snippets from a website (cited anonymously to keep me out of trouble)

First amendment is freedom of ______

 

[knitster]

"And if you can stop seeing each bag of Haribo or Jelly Babies as another pound gone that you won't get back and instead see it as a moment when you are building trust between you and them, it may not feel so expensive."

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Oh why did you post that?! Did you see this one?! Someone who respects their toddler's right to not have his hair washed. For months. How to convince him to WANT his hair washed?!

That Is where the candy is useful.