Any Reformed FP- Uber Users Who Have Embraced FP+ ?

[SmithSmith]

I have a hard time imagining anyone who took full advantage of FP- could ever be "converted" to a "FP+ Lover".

I like to watch Disney Vlogs. One in particular is called SeeYaReelSoon. I'm not sure if they'd be considered FP- uber users, but they are definitely FP savvy. They take multiple trips per year and they ride the headliners multiple times in a day. On their most recent trip they went to DLR and had to revert back to FP-. Their first morning at DCA they were grabbing their RSR FP and were showing the viewers the incredibly long RSR FP ticket line, all while talking about how they don't miss FP-! They preferred WDW's FP+!

Out of all the Disney vloggers I watch I have yet to hear anything negative about FP+. It's all been positive!

 

[mom2rtk]

I like to watch Disney Vlogs. One in particular is called SeeYaReelSoon. I'm not sure if they'd be considered FP- uber users, but they are definitely FP savvy. They take multiple trips per year and they ride the headliners multiple times in a day. On their most recent trip they went to DLR and had to revert back to FP-. Their first morning at DCA they were grabbing their RSR FP and were showing the viewers the incredibly long RSR FP ticket line, all while talking about how they don't miss FP-! They preferred WDW's FP+!

Out of all the Disney vloggers I watch I have yet to hear anything negative about FP+. It's all been positive!

Yeah, RSR would make even the biggest legacy FP lover think about the value of FP+. I would love it for that one ride. But I would not trade the overall experience that goes with it. We rode it twice with FP in the same day (once in the day light and once at night) a couple weeks ago. Try doing that with FP+.

 

[SmithSmith]

Yeah, RSR would make even the biggest legacy FP lover think about the value of FP+. I would love it for that one ride. But I would not trade the overall experience that goes with it. We rode it twice with FP in the same day (once in the day light and once at night) a couple weeks ago. Try doing that with FP+.

I should've added that this was after two days of visiting DLR that they said this. It wasn't just because of RSR.

 

[lllGurulll]

I still hate it.

Hey, I know you.

I'm afraid I will hate it too.

 

[mom2rtk]

I should've added that this was after two days of visiting DLR that they said this. It wasn't just because of RSR.

Then I feel very differently from them. I would not trade all those extra trips on BTMRR, Indy, Space and California Screamin for an easier experience getting one FP for RSR.

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

Then I feel very differently from them. I would not trade all those extra trips on BTMRR, Indy, Space and California Screamin for an easier experience getting one FP for RSR.

I agree. I got to do RSR with FP and all of my favorites multiple times. I'd much rather do that than each of my favorites and RSR one time each. To each their own, though.




What I'm interested in seeing is how Disney's crowd level does when compared to Universal. Universal used their money to invest in new rides and attractions which is something I think Disney should have done. Disney, though, disagreed and invested in MDE, Magic Bands, and the ever controversial FP+. We are hearing that Disney's attendance has grown, but if it grew at, say, 5% while Universal's attendance grew at 7%, that tells us something - even if attendance at Disney is up and is higher than attendance at Universal - in my opinion.

 

[WillAustin]

Then I feel very differently from them. I would not trade all those extra trips on BTMRR, Indy, Space and California Screamin for an easier experience getting one FP for RSR.

That's a good way to explain it. We would much rather "scramble" to get multiple rides on a headliner than relax and get only one. And "scrambling" was far more fun than waiting in long standby lines.

 

[redsbe]

This is my experience.

EE is easy to ride multiple times at rope drop or sometimes later in the day at AK even without FP.

Soarin and TSMM lovers suffer the most with fp+. If you get there right at rope drop you can ride it once and then use a FP if you have one. Generally the standby lines would be too long for a second standby ride at rope drop. Sometimes during less busy times you could ride them late at night without too big of a line. But, I don't know if anyone has ever been able to make a fourth FP reservation for either of these rides during the day.

Admittedly it was also a problem under previous FP system. In October 2012 we were only able to get FP once for Soarin and TSMM plus ride at RD, by mid morning FP- were gone or only available for late day. Crowd levels and high interest/demand for a few top rides in each park made it very difficult on most days to ride those several times a day. FP+ has changed park visits and planning but the larger crowds in recent years and extending over much of the year have had the biggest impact on attempting to ride the most popular attractions multiple times a day. With more people now using FP+ compared to the previous FP system has also increased demand on those attractions.

 

[Hooked On The Mouse]

What I'm interested in seeing is how Disney's crowd level does when compared to Universal. Universal used their money to invest in new rides and attractions which is something I think Disney should have done. Disney, though, disagreed and invested in MDE, Magic Bands, and the ever controversial FP+. We are hearing that Disney's attendance has grown, but if it grew at, say, 5% while Universal's attendance grew at 7%, that tells us something - even if attendance at Disney is up and is higher than attendance at Universal - in my opinion.

Yes, not to mention the amazing new technology in those new rides. Different uses of new capabilities.

 

[redsbe]

I agree. I got to do RSR with FP and all of my favorites multiple times. I'd much rather do that than each of my favorites and RSR one time each. To each their own, though.




What I'm interested in seeing is how Disney's crowd level does when compared to Universal. Universal used their money to invest in new rides and attractions which is something I think Disney should have done. Disney, though, disagreed and invested in MDE, Magic Bands, and the ever controversial FP+. We are hearing that Disney's attendance has grown, but if it grew at, say, 5% while Universal's attendance grew at 7%, that tells us something - even if attendance at Disney is up and is higher than attendance at Universal - in my opinion.

WDW is also spending millions on the parks, in recent years and into the near future with major investments underway in AK and DS. Their timing and priorities may not be the same as Universal, but to suggest that WDW is also not investing in the parks is simply not true. Their investment in MDE and MBs is part of a visitor management approach and maximizing visitor revenue and enhancing overall visitor experience, only time will tell if it was a worthwhile approach. Yes they could be spending more and faster, but unlike Universal the parks division of WD includes many more major parks and the cruise lines.

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

WDW is also spending millions on the parks, in recent years and into the near future with major investments underway in AK and DS. Their timing and priorities may not be the same as Universal, but to suggest that WDW is also not investing in the parks is simply not true. Their investment in MDE and MBs is part of a visitor management approach and maximizing visitor revenue and enhancing overall visitor experience, only time will tell if it was a worthwhile approach. Yes they could be spending more and faster, but unlike Universal the parks division of WD includes many more major parks and the cruise lines.

I see it differently. What I see as has happened is Disney got complacent. They didn't do much to their parks for YEARS. Now, Universal is getting lots of press regarding Potter World and all that jazz while Epcot sits as a shell of its former self, Hollywood Studios is the park with a major identity crisis, and Animal Kingdom is highly regarded as a half-day park due to lack of things to do. So now they are scrambling to try and fix things that should have been done a little at a time over the past 10 years (or more). Yes, they are doing things now, but every park is under construction, many under major construction or about to be under major construction and people don't like it - a problem that could have been avoided.

 

[momof2n2]

I see it differently. What I see as has happened is Disney got complacent. They didn't do much to their parks for YEARS. Now, Universal is getting lots of press regarding Potter World and all that jazz while Epcot sits as a shell of its former self, Hollywood Studios is the park with a major identity crisis, and Animal Kingdom is highly regarded as a half-day park due to lack of things to do. So now they are scrambling to try and fix things that should have been done a little at a time over the past 10 years (or more). Yes, they are doing things now, but every park is under construction, many under major construction or about to be under major construction and people don't like it - a problem that could have been avoided.

Amen!

And I get my hand slapped every time I ponder what they could have done with the lock-them-in money if it'd been invested in attractions.
I suspect no one would be complaining.

 

[Dan Murphy]

We like the new fastpasses.

 

[Airship Ariadne]

I see it differently. What I see as has happened is Disney got complacent. They didn't do much to their parks for YEARS. Now, Universal is getting lots of press regarding Potter World and all that jazz while Epcot sits as a shell of its former self, Hollywood Studios is the park with a major identity crisis, and Animal Kingdom is highly regarded as a half-day park due to lack of things to do. So now they are scrambling to try and fix things that should have been done a little at a time over the past 10 years (or more). Yes, they are doing things now, but every park is under construction, many under major construction or about to be under major construction and people don't like it - a problem that could have been avoided.

I think the problem with EPCOT is the model...hasn't had much love recently because pavilions need sponsors...with the economy of the past 5-7 years, those are not easy to find.

AK is in the middle of an addition that should be a huge draw once open, not Hogwarts level, but then, other than Star Wars or Middle Earth, nothing else could be. But I wouldn't say they are "scrambling".

They now have Star Wars...and apparently they were wanting to use the new films as a basis for what they build...which makes sense because NOBODY wants to see stuff from the episode 1-3 films. ANd they couldnt have done it ten years ago because they have only held the rights for a little over a year now!

Their investment into magic bands and the FP+, will help them in the long run when it comes to getting a good idea about guest habits and wishes.

Yeah, sorry it ruined your decades old FP- touring strategy, but then as Zimmerman sang, "Your old road is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin."

 

[JennaDeeDooDah]

I think the problem with EPCOT is the model...hasn't had much love recently because pavilions need sponsors...with the economy of the past 5-7 years, those are not easy to find.

AK is in the middle of an addition that should be a huge draw once open, not Hogwarts level, but then, other than Star Wars or Middle Earth, nothing else could be. But I wouldn't say they are "scrambling".

They now have Star Wars...and apparently they were wanting to use the new films as a basis for what they build...which makes sense because NOBODY wants to see stuff from the episode 1-3 films. ANd they couldnt have done it ten years ago because they have only held the rights for a little over a year now!

Their investment into magic bands and the FP+, will help them in the long run when it comes to getting a good idea about guest habits and wishes.

Yeah, sorry it ruined your decades old FP- touring strategy, but then as Zimmerman sang, "Your old road is rapidly aging. Please get out of the new one If you can't lend your hand For the times they are a-changin."

Regarding Epcot, I think that if the sponsorships aren't there, they could help out Future World with their college program, not unlike what they are doing with The Land Pavilion and Living With the Land. Take Ellen's Energy Adventure, for example. They could shorten that ride and add in a pavilion. The pavilion could be about various energy sources (coal, wind, solar, biomass, etc.) The workers for the pavilion could be graduate students who are on stage 1-2 days a week and are doing research behind the scenes the rest of the time. They would be excellent at answering questions of the guests since they would be earning their masters and PhDs in that field. That would help make Epcot more of what Walt envisioned with people actually working and making discoveries there, would do a lot to keep things fresh and new with students who are up-to-date on the new ideas and technology, and would be informative to the guests.

I have ideas for Hollywood Studios that could have been done years ago even before they acquired the rights to Star Wars. Same for Animal Kingdom. It's just that no one at Disney has realized my brilliance enough to ask me.

 

[momof2n2]

Regarding Epcot, I think that if the sponsorships aren't there, they could help out Future World with their college program, not unlike what they are doing with The Land Pavilion and Living With the Land. Take Ellen's Energy Adventure, for example. They could shorten that ride and add in a pavilion. The pavilion could be about various energy sources (coal, wind, solar, biomass, etc.) The workers for the pavilion could be graduate students who are on stage 1-2 days a week and are doing research behind the scenes the rest of the time. They would be excellent at answering questions of the guests since they would be earning their masters and PhDs in that field. That would help make Epcot more of what Walt envisioned with people actually working and making discoveries there, would do a lot to keep things fresh and new with students who are up-to-date on the new ideas and technology, and would be informative to the guests. I have ideas for Hollywood Studios that could have been done years ago even before they acquired the rights to Star Wars. Same for Animal Kingdom. It's just that no one at Disney has realized my brilliance enough to ask me.

Yeah. As the online surveys say, "We aren't seeking new ideas at this time." At least the DCL surveys.

 

[ilovemk76]

Amen!

And I get my hand slapped every time I ponder what they could have done with the lock-them-in money if it'd been invested in attractions.
I suspect no one would be complaining.

Think of how many attractions they could have built, or even parks, if they did not build DVC, hotels, DTD, bus stops, monorails or camp grounds.

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

May I please add this question to OP's?

Are you getting to reride favorites?
Our superusing family likes Soarin x 3, TSMM x 3 and EE x 3.

Anyone pulling that off? Thinking about May...

My family rode EE 3X first week of December. Kali was ridden 4x the same day.
Did not try TSMM due to other plans. Could have at least 2x if not for other plans.
Soarin' did not try as we hit the park after 12 noon the first time and not until near 4 the second day.

So I wouldn't say it is out of the question if it is your priority for at least 2x.

 

[jtowntoflorida]

We rode TSMM 3 times in one day a couple weeks ago.

Oh wait.....other coast.

Well, to be fair...we also rode TSM three times in one day on our trip earlier this month...once at RD, once with FP+, and once when we got in line 10 minutes before closing, when we knew the posted wait of 70 minutes was totally exaggerated.

 

[Airship Ariadne]

I have ideas for Hollywood Studios that could have been done years ago even before they acquired the rights to Star Wars. Same for Animal Kingdom. It's just that no one at Disney has realized my brilliance enough to ask me.

Glad they didn't because then they might not have had the good locations to add more SW into the park. Or maybe if they couldn't do that, they would have built a 5th gate around SW...hmmmm, so maybe they should have asked you.

Honestly, I'm not a fan of Avatar, saw it once, but do find the concept of what they are building to be interesting...still wish they would have built Beastly Kingdom to start with, but that ship sailed.