ANOTHER Duggar is on the way..and it's......

[happygirl]

Or, if you don't want to hear any criticism of a tv show you enjoy, don't read threads on discussions boards about them!

Personally, I like watching freak shows. Even if I don't agree with how certain freaks live their lives, I still get some entertainment out of it. I also like commenting on discussion boards about some of these freaks. So as long as it it gives me some enjoyment, I'm going to keep watching and keep commenting. Works for me!

Wow, calling children freaks nice.

 

[chobie]

Wow, calling children freaks nice.

The parents are freaks and how they are raising their kids is cult-like and freakish. At least that is how appears in tv, maybe they are not really like that and there is more than what meets the eye, but when I, personally, am commenting on the Duggar's, I'm commenting on the show. And like any tv show, it's fair game for praise and criticism alike.

 

[North of Mouse]

According to a study published in the US National Library of Medicine for the National Institute of Health (Draper Fund Rep. 1982 Dec;(11):19-22.):
Abstract:
"For some time now there has been a multidisciplinary interest in the effects of family size on children's development and on their overall life outcomes. In general, available evidence indicates that children from small families tend to accrue advantages in many developmental areas, while children from larger families are, as a group, relatively disadvantaged. Care needs to be taken when drawing conclusions from correlational research, yet there is growing evidence that even when the social class of families is accounted for, children from smaller families fare better on many measures of development than those from large families. 1 of the best documented research findings is that children from smaller families perform better on tests of intellectual ability than children from large families. Efforts to understand why family size should affect intellectual performance have intensified in recent years. Many explanations have been offered, but the explanation termed the "confluence model" has attracted the most interest and controversy. According to this model, a child's intellectual development is a function of the intellectual environment provided by the family. That environment is conceptualized as the average of absolute intelligence of all family members. A child is born with an absolute intelligence of zero. The arrival of each additional child has the effect of lowering the family's intellectual environment. Thus, children from larger families grow up in a less enriched environment and tend to perform less well on measures of ability. A 2nd component of the confluence model is necessary to explain the phenomenon that "only" children fail to perform as well as might be expected on intelligence tests. According to the confluence model, the only child discontinuity results from the absence of an opportunity to tutor younger siblings. Available evidence indicates that family size exerts an effect on educational and occupational achievement over and above its effect on ability. A multidisciplinary explanation for the findings on family size suggests that family resources become "diluted" as family size increases and the result is the various developmental deficits reported by researchers. In sum, there is substantial documentation indicating that children from small families have a better developmental prognosis than children with many siblings. In the aggregate, these effects could have a substantial impact on the quality of a country's citizenry."
Another reason to "care" what the Duggars do and how it can affect others as citizens. It can be dangerous to think that because the Duggars seem to have done it well it is a healthy lifestyle that would be good for society overall. There is a matter of personal choice, but there is also the matter of being a responsible member of society as a whole.
Have the Duggars used the term "quiverfull" to describe their belief system? I thought that Michelle just had difficulty with one of her pregancies and afterwards swore to honor each child her "God" decided to give her. The Quiverfull movement is a religious movement that advocates having a huge amount of children with the aim of overtaking society with members from their own personal religious beliefs. I have a very brief knowledge of the Duggars, but I am not so trusting as to believe that what goes on in front of the cameras is what goes on behind the cameras. I thought I heard somewhere that one of their neighbors reported that when the cameras are not on, the older children keep the younger children on a large blanket, and they are trained to not go off of the blanket by being hit with a switch when they do. This is why they are able to have such a large amount of children as the older children ensure that they younger children stay on the blanket. Granted, that was totally undocumented "neighbor" information (the neighbor wasn't even identified), so I put no stock in that statement either, but I do know that kind of parenting is advocated and practiced in the Quiverfull movement.

Wow, this is hogwash on so many counts, I don't know where to start.

I am from a family of 8, and there are no 'under performers' amongst us I also know plenty families with several children that are the same. I also know some families of 1-3 and they are all losers. This is not a broad blanket type of thing, each family is different, but it doesn't relate to how many children there are in it. This is very offensive.

We weren't 'raised' with your tax dollars either!

 

[ccgirl]

Yes but what about the families not on your case load? The ones with big families raising them in a great environment. You don't encounter those families so your perception of large families is tainted! I am a teacher in a diverse school. I see families of multiple kids who can't take care of them and also big families who have the nicest, politest, most selfless kids. It is the same with families with two kids.

Bolding mine. This is a great point. Those in the "case load" are already at a disadvantage. There are lots of large families not "in the system" that are doing just fine.

 

[MouseketeerMMC]

Outside of the first episode and the recent Asia trip I never had interest in the Duggars or other families like them. I do not believe it is fair to the children with the limited time they receive with their parents.

I do wonder what will happen to the family once the kids are out of the house and how they will be able to sell that large of a house! lol

 

[happygirl]

Outside of the first episode and the recent Asia trip I never had interest in the Duggars or other families like them. I do not believe it is fair to the children with the limited time they receive with their parents.

I do wonder what will happen to the family once the kids are out of the house and how they will be able to sell that large of a house! lol

I think the house wil just pass down

 

[Kristibo42]

They just do it for the money!!! I wish I could travel all the time and have it payed for.

 

[happygirl]

They just do it for the money!!! I wish I could travel all the time and have it payed for.

I don't think so, sine they had most of the kids way before they show began

 

[Buckalew11]

Chobie, I'm just wondering, what makes you call them "freaks?" I know they are very different from most people (but aren't we all) but I am not sure what makes them "freaks." I'm just curious what about a person makes you label them that. I think we all have an idea of what makes a person a "freak" in our own mind.

 

[chobie]

I don't think so, sine they had most of the kids way before they show began

I agree that they did not set out to have litters of children for the money. But they've been using the fact that they have an abnormal amount of children to try to get notoriety for long time -- Jim Bob was parading them around back when he ran for political office years ago.


And I think they realize they need to keep reproducing to keep the show relevant.

 

[chobie]

Chobie, I'm just wondering, what makes you call them "freaks?" I know they are very different from most people (but aren't we all) but I am not sure what makes them "freaks." I'm just curious what about a person makes you label them that. I think we all have an idea of what makes a person a "freak" in our own mind.

I think it's obvious that they have gone beyond just not using birth control to actively trying to have as many kids as humanly possible. I think they are trying to be oddities. Even in the olden days 19 children was not the norm, that was always a number that would turn heads.

I also think the cloistered life, the absolute mind control they have over the kids along with the Little House on the Prairie style dresses the girls wear, are all reminiscent of cults.

Yes, I think it's one thing to eschew modern forms of birth control and quite another to be trying to go for a record on how much one woman can give birth.

Having that amount of children you give birth to as your schtick and pimping the children on tv to get rich and famous is freakish behavior. These people go on national tv to announce every pregnancy. Even most movie stars try to keep their pregnancies out of the media until the baby bump is undeniable.

Maybe I'm wrong about their motives, but from the image they put out on the media, that's how I see it.

Others see something different and that's fine. I don't want to change anyone's opinion, I just enjoy discussing mine,

 

[Kristibo42]

They are sure raking in the money!!! I don't watch the show. They exploit their kids just like Jon and Kate plus 8.

 

[Buckalew11]

Thanks! I was just wondering what it was that made you use the word "freak."

 

[ccgirl]

I think it's obvious that they have gone beyond just not using birth control to actively trying to have as many kids as humanly possible. I think they are trying to be oddities. Even in the olden days 19 children was not the norm, that was always a number that would turn heads.

I also think the cloistered life, the absolute mind control they have over the kids along with the Little House on the Prairie style dresses the girls wear, are all reminiscent of cults.

Yes, I think it's one thing to eschew modern forms of birth control and quite another to be trying to go for a record on how much one woman can give birth.

Having that amount of children you give birth to as your schtick and pimping the children on tv to get rich and famous is freakish behavior. These people go on national tv to announce every pregnancy. Even most movie stars try to keep their pregnancies out of the media until the baby bump is undeniable.

Maybe I'm wrong about their motives, but from the image they put out on the media, that's how I see it.

Others see something different and that's fine. I don't want to change anyone's opinion, I just enjoy discussing mine,

The media is a separate issue that I actually agree on to a point. As far as "birth control" there are many Christians who do not believe in it and accept as many children as God will permit. Not sure I would classify not using birth control as an "oddity" but to each their own.

 

[chobie]

The media is a separate issue that I actually agree on to a point. As far as "birth control" there are many Christians who do not believe in it and accept as many children as God will permit. Not sure I would classify not using birth control as an "oddity" but to each their own.

As I clearly said, it's not about just not using birth control, it's about actively trying to reproduce as much as humanly possible. Lots of people don't use birth control but manage to keep their family size to something much less than that. Like I said, even in the days before birth control women rarely had that many pregnancies. It goes beyond accepting how many children God gives them to let's keep trying to get as pregnant as often as my body can take it.


On a side note, I do think the children are all cute and sweet ( except Josh seems a bit creepy). I'm willing to bet, though, that none of them attempt to have as many kids as their mother despite not using birth control,

I keep thinking about the show where they moved into the new house and Jim Bob points to their new bed and says " can't wait to try for #17."

 

[Robbi]

It's fine that some have opinions and don't agree with the number of children and perhaps adopted children the Duggars have. It is and has been Michelle Duggar's reproductive decision to have that many children. Her body=her choice.

 

[mom2rtk]

It's fine that some have opinions and don't agree with the number of children and perhaps adopted children the Duggars have. It is and has been Michelle Duggar's reproductive decision to have that many children. Her body=her choice.

 

[emer95]

I was curious about some of the things brought up in this thread, so I googled. I found some FAQs on this Duggar blog, and I thought it was interesting:

http://duggarsblog.blogspot.com/p/faqs.html

 

[chobie]

It's fine that some have opinions and don't agree with the number of children and perhaps adopted children the Duggars have. It is and has been Michelle Duggar's reproductive decision to have that many children. Her body=her choice.

Exactly, which is why I would never advocate to change the laws so she could not have litters of children.

After all, that is what being "pro-choice" is all about, keeping the laws off women's uteruses.

If only Michelle would respect other women's choices. As in "do unto others."

 

[Alyssa88]

I have no problem with the number of children they have. I have a HUGE problem with the way these children are raised.

I can not be happy about another Duggar, not unless they decide to raise their children differently. They deny their children a proper education or any free thought.

The girls are taught to "keep sweet". They will be taught that woman are only valuable depending on the state of their hymen or number of children. The women will continue to have to wait for Daddy to find their husbands and in the meantime, spend their twenties at home doing nothing but caring for their mother's children. Stay at home daughters (google it). Jill was "lucky" enough to train as a lay midwife, under somebody who does follow Gothard. She has the potential to get a real certification, and go to a real school- but if she did Jim **** could not control her.

The girls will be sent to Journey to the Heart if they don't "keep sweet". Boys will be sent to ALERT academy.

In ten years, I see Anna as the new Michelle. Mackenzie and her sister will be caring for all the new babies Anna brings into this world. The children will grow up knowing their "buddies" better than their own parents.

Jush Duggar is not a very good person, follow him on instagram to learn more. Not entirely his fault, he was the result of this cult.

Google Gothard and Advance Training Institute. You can find blogs and info from those who have left.