I would be fine with DVC AP but if they wanted to be more inclusive it could just be resort guest AP.I agree 100% or DVC AP.
I would be fine with DVC AP but if they wanted to be more inclusive it could just be resort guest AP.I agree 100% or DVC AP.
I don't get the perception that AP holders don't spend as much money in the parks as a day ticket guest. Someone who is willing to make the cash outlay for an AP seems to be a much more invested fan who would be more likely to want to accumulate Disney merchandise, pay for unique Disney experiences, etc.
But the frequent AP visitor also has more opportunity to develop money saving strategies, guests presumably have a limit on the number of souvenirs they will buy, infrequent visitors might be more motivated to throw money at unique Disney experiences to make the most of their limited time. But the best reason to believe that AP holders don’t spend as much per capita is because Chapek said so. I am certain Disney knows who is spending money in their parks and just how much.
That is a click bait website that either "takes" other's content, including their photos or offers absolutely nothing. Don't look to them for anything.Is it just me or is that a great big non announcement?
I think there is a misconception that AP don't spend as much in parks. What people never seem to remember is that the MAJORITY of the WDW park guests are staying off property. They are eating off property. They are going to Universal, SeaWorld and often are giving Disney a small percentage of their budget.I don't get the perception that AP holders don't spend as much money in the parks as a day ticket guest. Someone who is willing to make the cash outlay for an AP seems to be a much more invested fan who would be more likely to want to accumulate Disney merchandise, pay for unique Disney experiences, etc.
I hate having to support Disney executives as I loathe them, but I do see where they are coming from. We all have magic bands and or MDE. If you don't use a magic band you have to have NFC turned on via your phone. That being said, they KNOW were we are in the parks and can track us. Don't assume touch points are the only ways to see where we are. MDE has access to your GPS location which is shared to Disney. They can make very calculated and educated guesses on guests. Walk into the Emporium and then leave without a AP discount on your account registering... missed opportunity to sell merch.There’s one thing that all the data analysis in the world can’t tell them about this AP holder, and I assume all others, how many trips are taken just because someone has an AP. So from that aspect, no, they have no clue about spending and AP. I mean, do they know if I'd make 2, or 5 trips a year? They can make an assumption but you know what assumptions are, wrong as much as they are right. There is no way they can read anyone's mind.
If they make any assumption, they should assume the AP means MORE trips a year. More trips means more spent, not less. If you count the entire year that is. Not in an individual trip.
That is a click bait website that either "takes" other's content, including their photos or offers absolutely nothing. Don't look to them for anything.
I think there is a misconception that AP don't spend as much in parks. What people never seem to remember is that the MAJORITY of the WDW park guests are staying off property. They are eating off property. They are going to Universal, SeaWorld and often are giving Disney a small percentage of their budget.
Disney World Hotel guests are committed but their numbers are much smaller. If Disney were to focus only on them they would be running WDW in the RED. Disney needs offsite guests and AP guests.
As far as AP, yes perhaps a local AP might pop in and out but they are also the ones not blinking at drink prices and spending an afternoon dropping a bundle at the Nomad Lounge while not taking up space on attractions.
But the majority of the AP holders do not live in Orlando. They live all over Florida and elsewhere, they need hotels and they need food. For the last 15 years I have been traveling to WDW 5-6 weeks per year, needing hotels, food etc. But BECAUSE I have an AP I don't hesitate to book special events, eat expensive meals, buy alcoholic drinks at stupid prices and shop. When I didn't have an AP that money was restricted, our souvenirs were minimal, snacks never ever happened. AP holders don't have that ticket price hanging over them so they can spend more, and in my case for 30-40 days per year I can spend in the parks.
AP's are like Disney putting money in escrow to use how they wish while the AP holder is still spending in the parks and resorts. My free parking and 10% dining discount don't hurt them at all. My spending is probably equal to most guests, somedays more, somedays less.
Very good point, @Mrs.AMC. This is very true of us. We took an unexpected, extra trip in March this year--a trip we never would've taken if we didn't have APs. We = my sister and me. We're both out-of-state AP holders who luckily didn't let our APs lapse during the pandemic even though there was a period of ~17 months when we didn't go to WDW at all.There’s one thing that all the data analysis in the world can’t tell them about this AP holder, and I assume all others, how many trips are taken just because someone has an AP. So from that aspect, no, they have no clue about spending and AP. I mean, do they know if I'd make 2, or 5 trips a year? They can make an assumption but you know what assumptions are, wrong as much as they are right. There is no way they can read anyone's mind.
If they make any assumption, they should assume the AP means MORE trips a year. More trips means more spent, not less. If you count the entire year that is. Not in an individual trip.
So that tells them how many trips I wouldn't take without an AP, or conversely, how many trips I did take because I had an AP, ok. If you say soI hate having to support Disney executives as I loathe them, but I do see where they are coming from. We all have magic bands and or MDE. If you don't use a magic band you have to have NFC turned on via your phone. That being said, they KNOW were we are in the parks and can track us. Don't assume touch points are the only ways to see where we are. MDE has access to your GPS location which is shared to Disney. They can make very calculated and educated guesses on guests. Walk into the Emporium and then leave without a AP discount on your account registering... missed opportunity to sell merch.
I'm not trying to be Orwellian/Big Brother is watching, but they can figure out what you are doing and when. If you don't use your AP discount for food or merch that is on the AP holders. It helps Disney know what is going on. By not using the discount you are only strengthening their argument that AP holders don't spend the amount of money they want them to.
Touchy touchy, sheesh. I don't think they care about that, they care about what you spend... THAT IS ALL.So that tells them how many trips I wouldn't take without an AP, ok. If you say so
Warning. May contain speculation, conjecture or opinion.I hate having to support Disney executives as I loathe them, but I do see where they are coming from. We all have magic bands and or MDE. If you don't use a magic band you have to have NFC turned on via your phone. That being said, they KNOW were we are in the parks and can track us. Don't assume touch points are the only ways to see where we are. MDE has access to your GPS location which is shared to Disney. They can make very calculated and educated guesses on guests. Walk into the Emporium and then leave without a AP discount on your account registering... missed opportunity to sell merch.
I'm not trying to be Orwellian/Big Brother is watching, but they can figure out what you are doing and when. If you don't use your AP discount for food or merch that is on the AP holders. It helps Disney know what is going on. By not using the discount you are only strengthening their argument that AP holders don't spend the amount of money they want them to.
I thought the Reedy Creek thing died on the vine, no? It got quiet at leastI honestly think the comments they made are a way to prep the Disney community that they might not offer renewals in the future or perhaps might get rid of the FL resident passes. Part of the whole Reedy Creek thing is that they need to offer a FL pass so that is probably why the lowest one is still available. If Desantis gets his way and Reedy Creek goes away, I'm sure that lower AP will eventually go away as well.
I think others might have stepped in and are working with Desantis now since Chapek flubbed it initially. Last I read was that they were going to "re-issue" it but I don't really know what that means.I thought the Reedy Creek thing died on the vine, no? It got quiet at least
Once I walk on property, they can track spending, fine. I know that and frankly don't care.Touchy touchy, sheesh. I don't think they care about that, they care about what you spend... THAT IS ALL.
Once I walk on property, they can track spending, fine. I know that and frankly don't care.
Point is, how do they know if I'm there on property for them to track 2 times extra with the AP or 10 times extra?
They don't.
So they don't know anything about how much the AP I hold is gaining them in the way of money. Or not gaining them.
That's all I'm saying. Unless they can read my mind and know how many additional trips I am taking because I hold an AP they do not know which of those trips they are tracking are from me having an AP and which are not. Maybe I'd be there the same number, maybe not. They do not know. If they think every out of state AP holder is there the same amount, they are probably wrong. I suspect most are making more trips than they would without an AP. So in that aspect, I am betting those AP holders are bringing in additional money
Warning. May contain speculation, conjecture or opinions.I honestly think the comments they made are a way to prep the Disney community that they might not offer renewals in the future or perhaps might get rid of the FL resident passes. Part of the whole Reedy Creek thing is that they need to offer a FL pass so that is probably why the lowest one is still available. If Desantis gets his way and Reedy Creek goes away, I'm sure that lower AP will eventually go away as well.