Ann Coulter

[Saxsoon]

Kind of a double standard ain't it, huh?

 

[disneyfan67]

Is "Jersey girls" supposed to be some kind of slur? These are women from the Great State of New Jersey who lost their husbands in the biggest terrorist atack on American soil. I don't expect anything better from Ann Coulter, but your remarks just completely p-ed me off.

Just to let you know that the tittle you're refering to came from those women and was their idea. They toured the country in 2004 Presidential campaign and were supporters for John Kerry. How could you have missed them being on multiple news shows back then. They even had t shirts and banners with that slogan on it.

 

[va32h]

But we can't respond because their husbands died

Was there some kind of handbook passed out that said "no one is allowed to challenge the political stance of anyone who lost a loved one in 9-11"?

Obviously, Coulter can respond, because she has.

But saying that the women are happy their husbands died, that they only want money, that their husbands probably would have divorced them anyway - those are not responses to a political position. Those are cruel personal attacks. And that is what Coulter is being criticized for, at least on this thread.

 

[shortbun]

I don't think that Ann has been anymore vile or hateful than some of the things that the Jersey girls have said about the president in the past. Its not that they should have been meek, they can and were anything that they wanted to be. That is the choice they made. Not everyone is going to agree with their agenda and their conclusions. Ann obviously doesn't and she has said so. While her words may be harsh, they are no more harsh than some of those on the left. I thought that the Colorado professor who referred to all the 9/11 victims as "little Eichmanns" was much more offensive and he said it while on the public payroll.

Come on Dawn-"while her words may be harsh?" What vile and hateful things have "the Jersey girls"(nice ) said about George Bush equal to her comments? Link, please.
Their husbands died. They don't think things were handled very well after the attack that caused their deaths. They should keep quiet about that? Would you? Having 'known' you for a few years-I highly doubt silence would be your solace. Maybe I'm wrong. Grief does strange things to people. But, is there any reason to call them "witches" and "harpies?" MOST of us are apppalled. Join us. Ann Coulter does not need your support, she's making money from our outrage-you'd be helping her if you join us.

 

[shortbun]

Was there some kind of handbook passed out that said "no one is allowed to challenge the political stance of anyone who lost a loved one in 9-11"?

Obviously, Coulter can respond, because she has.

But saying that the women are happy their husbands died, that they only want money, that their husbands probably would have divorced them anyway - those are not responses to a political position. Those are cruel personal attacks. And that is what Coulter is being criticized for, at least on this thread.

100% correct

 

[wvrevy]

As a independent person...

Here's a thought for those of you defending this kind of tactic: Who ever said that the widows message was unassailable? Who said that nobody was allowed to disagree with them? Who said that you should just shut up and let their points stand without rebuttal?

But does the Coulter slime crowd do that? Of course not. They don't attack positions...they attack people. That's what makes them vile. That's the difference between the left and the right...you would NEVER see this kind of vile nonsense from the left, and if you did it would be denounced by the leaders of the progressive movement as counter-productive. Where are the leaders on the right? Standing right behind this disgusting ***** and nodding their heads.

Defend her all you want. Just don't try to sell that she was "taken out of context" or that she has any higher purpose than convincing fools to buy her books and read her trash.

 

[disneyfan67]

I know that my thoughts on this subject are going to get me flamed by some of the more leftwing members of these boards. I don't own any of Ann Coulter's books nor do I make it a point to read her articles on a regular basis. She gets kind of shrill for me at times but so does Randi Rhodes of Air America.

One of my points is the Jersey girls do act as if they have a monopoly on pain and agony and NO ONE knows what they are going through. They also speak as if no one has a right to oppose them or have differing views because, after all, they are authorities on the subject of terrorism, politics, and all that those discussions entail. You never hear from the other widows that supported the President or have you ever heard Cindy's Sheenan ex husband opinion as well? He doesn't agree with what his ex wife is doing in their sons name but you never hear his side.

The Jersey Girls were acting for an anti-war group called Peaceful Tomorrows. They did anything but honor their husbands' deaths. Just as Cindy Sheehan deserved the criticism she got, these women did too. Losing a loved one doesn't give you a free pass to say anything you want without consequences.

 

[vivilasvegas]

just clarifying earlier posts... I think the woman is an idiot and I don't pay attention to anything she says.

(I think some people thought I was defending her. sorry but it's true, she does make money from everyone's outrage! )

 

[eclectics]

I don't think that Ann has been anymore vile or hateful than some of the things that the Jersey girls have said about the president in the past. Its not that they should have been meek, they can and were anything that they wanted to be. That is the choice they made. Not everyone is going to agree with their agenda and their conclusions. Ann obviously doesn't and she has said so. While her words may be harsh, they are no more harsh than some of those on the left. I thought that the Colorado professor who referred to all the 9/11 victims as "little Eichmanns" was much more offensive and he said it while on the public payroll.

I have read absolutely nothing regarding the widows comments about Bush even remotely coming close to the vile things Coulter has said. The "Colorado Professor" is not a conservative pundit and celebrity with access to the national media. I abhore anyone left or right that belittles someone's suffering. And I still say it's shame that some would go to the extent of endorsing someone so full of cruelty and hate just because their political beliefs are the same.

 

[eclectics]

Losing a loved one doesn't give you a free pass to say anything you want without consequences.

Nor does it mean they should be free game for bashing because they are not grieving in a "politically proper" (according to some) way.

 

[disneyfan67]

Here's a thought for those of you defending this kind of tactic: Who ever said that the widows message was unassailable? Who said that nobody was allowed to disagree with them? Who said that you should just shut up and let their points stand without rebuttal?

But does the Coulter slime crowd do that? Of course not. They don't attack positions...they attack people. That's what makes them vile. That's the difference between the left and the right...you would NEVER see this kind of vile nonsense from the left, and if you did it would be denounced by the leaders of the progressive movement as counter-productive. Where are the leaders on the right? Standing right behind this disgusting ***** and nodding their heads.

Defend her all you want. Just don't try to sell that she was "taken out of context" or that she has any higher purpose than convincing fools to buy her books and read her trash.

Um, Hello McFly, you can try and fool yourself and others like you as well but that statement bolded above is a outright lie. Shame on you for trying to pull that one off. I have seen many examples of the Democrats do this and does "Bush is a Nazi" remind you of anything. I have heard far worse on "Air America" and don't act like you don't know either. I've seen your hate on display for the President and remember many of your posts on that subject. I respect your right to hate him but don't find it healthy or productive.


Please open your mind that not everything the Democrats do is golden and not everything the Republicans do is evil. I learned that lesson along time ago and that's why I'm not a card carrying member of either party and will not donate money or time to their cause. Both sides of the political isle smear each other on a regular basis.

 

[lookingforward]

I have read absolutely nothing regarding the widows comments about Bush even remotely coming close to the vile things Coulter has said. The "Colorado Professor" is not a conservative pundit and celebrity with access to the national media. I abhore anyone left or right that belittles someone's suffering. And I still say it's shame that some would go to the extent of endorsing someone so full of cruelty and hate just because their political beliefs are the same.

Awesome response!

Political beliefs aside....Coulter is trying to make money. She can call it anything she wants but I saw her interview with Matt Lauer and all she did was promote her book "Matt, I don't want to comment on President Bush...I'd rather talk about my book". Saying these horrible things about people she does not even know is purely for the attention it will garner her book. Her attempt at shocking us has worked but at the end of the day she has to marinate in her hateful vile personality. No money in the world would make that worth it to me. And some of her ardent admirers are catching on, I work with a man who liked her. Even HE said she seemed pathetic and looked really hard. Money can't buy you love, decency or friendship. When she is old and no one listens to her anymore she will have little that matters if she continues to slander and hate.

 

[babytrees]

As a independent person I must admit while Ann Coulter is entertaining at times and hits the mark, she could of said things with a kinder tone but still made her point. As for the remark about her must of having a bad childhood because she's so filled with hate, is nonsense. She's no different than what Al Fraken and a host of others like him do. The left in this country hates free speech like Ann Coulter but has no problem with books named Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them: or this friendly book title: Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot

Free speech cuts both ways and I didn't hear any Democrats speak out loudly about Ward Churchill's comments. I found this article which had a paragraph which breaks down her Jersey girls comments and I'll quote a sample below. I posted the link as well.




http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2006/6/8/101032.shtml?s=lh

Ward Churchill is just as nasty and as vile as this woman is. He has been found guilty of no less than 6 acts of plagiarism and other fireable offenses but without even trying to defend himself and counter with proof that he didn't do these things, he is taking the state of CO to court on our dime. He has been taking a year long paid sabbatical. His statements went for the most part went by the wayside and uncommented on because he did not go on national TV for umpteen days straight and "defend" his comments and he has been so discredited as a scholar I can't imagine anyone takes him seriously anymore.

All right, I am off my soap box now.

Ann Coulter is selling books plain and simple. No matter how vile her comments are they make wonderful sound bites and Ward Churchill puts people to sleep.

 

[wvrevy]

Um, Hello McFly, you can try and fool yourself and others like you as well but that statement bolded above is a outright lie. Shame on you for trying to pull that one off. I have seen many examples of the Democrats do this and does "Bush is a Nazi" remind you of anything. I have heard far worse on "Air America" and don't act like you don't know either. I've seen your hate on display for the President and remember many of your posts on that subject. I respect your right to hate him but don't find it healthy or productive.


Please open your mind that not everything the Democrats do is golden and not everything the Republicans do is evil. I learned that lesson along time ago and that's why I'm not a card carrying member of either party and will not donate money or time to their cause. Both sides of the political isle smear each other on a regular basis.

By all means, please provide links to liberals or ANYONE on the left saying that a parent of a soldier or ANYONE else that supports the president despite some tragedy is "happy for their death" or anything remotely resembling that kind of comment.

As for "Bush is a Nazi"...sorry, but I don't recall ever seeing that. I certainly DO remember some of his political tactics being compared to those of Goebbels, as they DO resemble them in some ways. But this is where you prove that your "independant" comment was nonsensical. You portray your bias with every post, whether you are a "card carrying member" of any party or not.

No, the left is not perfect, and I defy you to show where I or anyone else said that it was. But at least we confine our vitriol to the fool running the country at the moment (and his lackeys in government) and not to grieving mothers, wives, and husbands. Sorry, but that is solely the purview of the right side of the aisle. Again, if I've missed where my side has done that, then by all means, please prove it and I will gladly denounce the tactic from them as well.

 

[amy4bruce]

Last night, I was watching MSNBC. Keith Olbermann, as is his wont, eloquently and politely ripped her to shreds, but the interesting things was the flash I saw of her interview with ultra-conservative Tucker Carlson. He was thoroughly disgusted with what she was saying.

Actually, I beieve that anyone's political opinions can be criticized. Ms. Coulter goes way beyond that. I will remind people that her response to the 9/11 terror attack was that we should invade the Middle East and forcibly convert all of them to Christianity. Her editor at the New Republic made her apologize, but fired her shortly after that.

 

[Charade]

I think she's vile.

I think she's got nice hooters.

 

[LukenDC]

You never hear from the other widows that supported the President or have you ever heard Cindy's Sheenan ex husband opinion as well? He doesn't agree with what his ex wife is doing in their sons name but you never hear his side.

I've heard the viewpoints of Sheenan's ex-husband and the pro-Bush 9/11 widows. The so-called liberal bias in the media is a product of right-wing propaganda. The mainstream media is neither conservative nor liberal. It is sensationalistic and wants to compete in an aggressive market like any other business. The media that reports Bush's mistakes and troubles is the same media that raked Clinton over the coals for the Lewinsky affair.

 

[Florida_Mom]

I am so sick of the "out of context" argument. It's a load of garbage. Coulter has not claimed her words were taken out of context - she's defended them and elaborated on them for heaven's sake.



So since Katie Couric "used" her husband's death to promote the cause of colon cancer research and early detection, is she secretly happy her husband died? The New Jersey widows did what many spouses or parents have done when they have tragically lost a loved one - become socially active in hopes of preventing the same kind of tragedy from happening to anyone else.

No one is saying that Coulter doesn't have the "right" to make her disgusting and foul comments. When did the widows say they expect to be "insluated from comments they don't care to hear"? They haven't lowered themselves to respond to Coulter's comments.



So. Just because she's selling books doesn't make her any less horrid. People buy books about Charles Manson, too.

Amen!! The "out of context" line is nonsense. How can you take the line about their husbands maybe wanting to divorce the "harpies" out of context? For heaven's sake, people! Their spouses burned to death! These women forced our government's hand to form the 9/11 Commission...you know, the bipartisan 9/11 Commission, chaired by a Republican?? The same 9/11 Commission that came back last December and gave the administration F and D grades for not following any of its recommendations toward making our country safer?

From the Washington Post:

The 10-member bipartisan panel -- whose book-length report about the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks became a surprise bestseller -- issued a "report card" that included 5 F's, 12 D's and two "incompletes" in categories including airline passenger screening and improving first responders' communication system.

She has the right to do what she is doing, but she is only hurting her cause, IMHO.

 

[suzannen]

Ann Coulter believes she has the right to say the most horrible, vile things about anything or anyone she chooses to. And, in the spirit of "freedom of speech", she absolutely does have that right, even though her intent is simply to sell her latest hate-fest book. But, she then has the gall to criticize anyone who has actually paid the ultimate sacrifice of a loved one who publicly expresses and lobbies an opinion that is contrary to hers. Shame on her....I lost friends in 9/11 and she has no idea how deep that tragedy hits when it hits your own friends and family. Those widows earned the right to say whatever they want. If she chooses not to listen, she can change the channel, as I will now do whenever I see her.

 

[DawnCt1]

As for Clinton, I suggest a book called Blinded by the Right by David Brock where he confesses to the hit job, smear campaign of lies, of which he was a part, leveled against Clinton during the 90s.

David Brock, for some reason was looking to redeem himself with the Clintons. His book, Blinded by the Right has been buried under he huge pile of tell all books about Clinton when he was in office, but that's for another debate.