Animal Cruelty

[♥DizzyDizney♥]

I love animals so i'm not going to watch it

 

[BabyPiglet]

Well, it all depends on what the animals are raised for, imo. If a cow is raised for meat, than it has certain adaptions for being a meat cow. It'll get fatter quicker, and since it probably doesn't have much contact with other cows (it won't be living in a natural herd), it'll probably be stupider. Deer in hunting ranges are more in tune, they have a pretty fair advantage when a hunter comes. And when you kill an animal for meat, you're not going to make them suffer, and I doubt you'll neglect feeding them (who wants to eat skin and bones?).

Pets are domesticated and adapted to the soft life of a pet. They are raised to trust humans as their caretakers. And people who neglect pets let them die slow, painful deaths of starvation or of them beating their pets and the inflicted wounds getting infected (9 times outta 10 it'll be infected) usually. and some people even intentionally torture animals.

It's also a slight matter of how smart the animal is. even the biggest animal rights crazy-wacky PETA member would swat a mosquito. What they don't realize is fish aren't much smarter than a mosquito.

Here's a way to look at it: Hooking a fish isn't like hooking a kitten.

Okay, I'll just go kill some stupid, loner kid. I'm sure that won't be a problem. =)

I mean, just as long as I don't lay a finger on those spoiled, incredibly fortunate children.

 

[♥DizzyDizney♥]

idk, I just saw this thing on youtube and people were killing baby seals and seals for no reason

 

[♥DizzyDizney♥]

as wrong as this may seem to some people, i would feel more guilty if i killed an animal than i would if i killed a person.
like i cry and pray when i see a poor deer on the side of the road but when my mom says something like she heard about someone dying it doesnt really affect me (unless its personal). does anyone else have feelings this strongly against animal abusers? i personally think they should suffer the same fate for murdering an animal as someone that murders another person wheather it be the death sentence or life in jail. anyone else?

yeah, but if it was a dead child or my family I would be more sad :O

 

[♥DizzyDizney♥]

I am agaisnt animal cruelty. I've been volunteering at an animal shelter for a year but in that year I've seen so many abused and beaten animals and It just breaks my heart to see them. But I know I'm doing a good thing by helping them. I was at the shelter one day when and older volunteer comes in with about 3 little carriers each about about 3 puppies in. He said theese puppies were living at a home and they were living at a house where dog fighting took place. I took the puppies out of their carriers and looked at each of them some were unharmed but some were badly cut and scrapped. The mom of theese puppies had one eye.
It just makes me sick that people could harm theese poor creatures who have never hurt them.

Aww, that is really sad I would just feel like hitting the people who are doing animal abuse!!!

It's nice that someone is volenteering

 

[PrincessEeyore]

yeah, its pretty insane.
ive been a vegetarian for like 3 years almost (and proud of it),
and all i can say is if you dont like, do something about it. not anything extreme or anything but do some research.
i only use specific shampoos and conditioners, make up and stuff like that. i go as cruelty free as i can.

same...what i hate is people that make a big deal out of me being a vegetarian, my friends dont usually say anything anymore but people that i know randomly when they find out they have to make a big deal out of it...i dont get it

 

[CheezDoodle]

Okay, I'll just go kill some stupid, loner kid. I'm sure that won't be a problem. =)

I mean, just as long as I don't lay a finger on those spoiled, incredibly fortunate children.

Well, it also depends with some people.

It would be pretty bad to kill some scientist but a drug dealer, that's fine imo.

Mosquitos cause disease in humans and other animals. Why not smoosh it? I could understand if it was endangered, but it's far from it.

Also, deer in my area are overpopulated. It's the peoples fault for killing off almost the whole florida panther population, but we need to keep down the population, so why not eat them?

A kitten/puppy has a much higher level of understanding then a fish or mosquito or a chicken. So yeah I think intelligence does matter when it comes to life and death =)

And I don't see what's so fortunate about an abused tortured animal. There are some pretty hard laws about what happens to child abusers. But people who abuse animals at most get a couple years in jail and maybe a thousand dollar fine.

One more thing, meat animals are killed quickly and efficiently, not left to be tortured and starved and neglected. Unless it's kosher, which is horribly sad and is why I don't eat kosher meat.

 

[CheezDoodle]

same...what i hate is people that make a big deal out of me being a vegetarian, my friends dont usually say anything anymore but people that i know randomly when they find out they have to make a big deal out of it...i dont get it

I don't mind vegetarians as long as they don't try and make other people feel bad for eating meat.

Or as long as they aren't PETA members. I am totally against PETA. PETA is AGAINST the no-kill act in pet shelters. They also tell people they'll foster pets and find homes for them when really they just kill them all, even when the animals are perfectly adoptable. They don't even attempt to find homes for them. They're against pets and what to un-domesticate

 

[BabyPiglet]

Well, it also depends with some people.

It would be pretty bad to kill some scientist but a drug dealer, that's fine imo.

Mosquitos cause disease in humans and other animals. Why not smoosh it? I could understand if it was endangered, but it's far from it.

Also, deer in my area are overpopulated. It's the peoples fault for killing off almost the whole florida panther population, but we need to keep down the population, so why not eat them?

A kitten/puppy has a much higher level of understanding then a fish or mosquito or a chicken. So yeah I think intelligence does matter when it comes to life and death =)

And I don't see what's so fortunate about an abused tortured animal. There are some pretty hard laws about what happens to child abusers. But people who abuse animals at most get a couple years in jail and maybe a thousand dollar fine.

One more thing, meat animals are killed quickly and efficiently, not left to be tortured and starved and neglected. Unless it's kosher, which is horribly sad and is why I don't eat kosher meat.

IMO, You're either against animal cruelty or you're not. I just don't think it's okay to be against killing some animals, and not others. It's like being a hypocrite.

If you think animals should be valued as humans, treat them that way. We don't kill off people just because they're dumb. Simple.

 

[Jessica Juice]

One more thing, meat animals are killed quickly and efficiently, not left to be tortured and starved and neglected. Unless it's kosher, which is horribly sad and is why I don't eat kosher meat.

unfortunatley, your very wrong.
the animals are usually tranquilized in some way. but sometimes it doesnt always work, and the animal goes through the process fully awake and able to feel everything.

 

[CheezDoodle]

IMO, You're either against animal cruelty or you're not. I just don't think it's okay to be against killing some animals, and not others. It's like being a hypocrite.

If you think animals should be valued as humans, treat them that way. We don't kill off people just because they're dumb. Simple.

I'm against animal cruelty. That means torturing and neglecting. Humanely killing for food, imo, is not cruel.

All living things die. I can only hope to die the way a humanely killed animal dies, which is without suffering.

unfortunatley, your very wrong.
the animals are usually tranquilized in some way. but sometimes it doesnt always work, and the animal goes through the process fully awake and able to feel everything.

Which I am very much against. But there is truly no way to fully avoid being cruel to animals. Even vegans eat food that animals have died in the process of getting. Whether they like to believe it or not, foxes, racoons, rabbits, and other animals are killed by the machines that harvest wheat and grains.

I do my part by eating organically grown foods that don't use pesticides that harm the enviroment, and organic meat that up until the time they are humanely killed, had good lives. I would never eat kosher meat, which is killed in an inhumane way, imo.

 

[Axel]

I define animal cruelty as this: The killing or harming of animals solely for pleasure.

I do not think that hunting (any animal) is animal cruelty so long as you are going to either eat the meat you get from the hunt or sell it to somebody that will. Killing animals for their fur is cruel thing- if they're being killed only for their fur. If they were killed for their meat and the fur is a by-product, then I'm ok with it. But unless you're going to put that animal's meat to use, don't kill it. Asian countries eat cat. What if somebody moves here and still wants to eat cat? I wouldn't look down on them, it's their culture. The dolphin hunting in Japan? Doesn't really bother me because the meat is eaten and thus, the animal is being put to use. And it's a cultural thing, too. They've been doing this for centuries and, I quote: Since the ban, Taiji's economy has become more dependent on the fish catch, but its people resent being told by foreigners what they should eat. from BBC News. I won't tell you that you should eat meat and I don't expect you to tell me that I shouldn't. I'm not a vegetarian, but I eat free range meat whenever possible.

If you really want to stop animal cruelty, don't keep a pet- you're cruelly taking away their natural instincts by keeping them domesticated; don't visit a zoo or an aquarium- these animals were taken from their homes, stripped of their natural instincts, and put into confined spaces for our amusement; don't visit a circus that uses animals, they are subjected to long hours and sometimes hazardous work.

Unfortunately. I like all those things and I'm not about to give them up because their my culture and my upbringing. So for now, the lesser-recognized forms of animal cruelty will remain.

 

[Sparx]

idk, I just saw this thing on youtube and people were killing baby seals and seals for no reason

Those people were killing those seals TO EAT.

All right. I've got a lot to say. First off, Jenny, you make an interesting point. A point that i both agree and disagree with. I agree that all animals are equal to an animal rights activist. I agree that all animal cruelty is equal. I disagree that hunting and fishing is animal cruelty. I disagree that killing for food is animal cruelty. I agree that the intelligence level of an animal doesn't matter.

Now, OP, i think i pretty much solidly disgree with you on all points except hunting and fishing. Chickens are about as stupid as it gets, but if you're for animal rights, that shouldn't matter to you. you should not be okay with it. I think you're pretty hypocritcal if you're just for the rights of teh smart animals.

Everyone else:
Hunting is necessary. Animals (particularly herd animals) are not intelligent. They do not understand what humans have done to their land. We have forced htem into areas they shouldn't naturally be in, and because of this, they haven't adapted to the challenges on their food supply. They will eat and eat and eat and they will breed and breed and breed until there is an abundance of individuals and a deficit of food. And htey will all die. But if you pick off some of the individuals in thier breeding prime (usually males) you will be able to keep the population under control and you will save a herd with the death of a few.

I am not an animal rights activist. I am against sadistic animal cruelty, and I wish there were a more humane way to kill hundreds or thousands of animals at one go, BUT THERE ISN'T.

Oh, and tehre is no humane way to die. Slaughter houses do not care if an animal is hurting. Do you know how chickens are slaughtered? highlight--> (warning, its pretty graphic)THey're put in these giant spinning tanks, and their head is clipped in, while their body spins. it simoutainously breaks their neck and the force of the spinning plucks their feathers. They are alive for most of the process, and they can feel almost all of it. But hey, it doesn't matter. after all, they're stupid right?

 

[PowerMonkey]

This is how I see it. Im not disagreeing with you. I am totally against animal cruelty! I have done everything in my might to save all kinds of animals from being abused. But when you said something about fishing and hunting. I fish and hunt. And it just doesnt seem the same to me. I dont know why though. When you said that it came to mind that it is animal abuse. But I'm from Louisiana. I was raised like this. To hunt and fish. People use to kill animals to live: deer,squirrel,duck,fish, ect. They didnt kill dogs and horses ect. Thats how I see it. But then it also doesn't make since. The law is any kind of animal. But then hunting and fishing doesnt count.to me Its a way of life. If the people way back then didnt kill that one deer or that squirrel then most of us wouldnt be here cause they would have starved and died.

sorry for teh lateness.. i havent been checking on threads lately lol.. but i meant fishing and hunting as a sport (when people kill to hang a deers head on the wall or something)(and when people fish just for the sake of hooking a fish.. than letting it go because they think its ok as long as they dont kill it)... hunting for food is natural and is essentially survival.. so imo, it is not cruelty.. and yea... sparx is right... cows and chickens are put through slaughter while they're alive... its a terrible thing.. itd be more humane to kill the animal first, so it doesnt have to feel the pain of mutilation.. but thats just not the "effecient" thing to do when your running a business, so they dont do it >_<... i really respect vegetarians .. i just dont have the will power to be one sadly

 

[♥DizzyDizney♥]

Those people were killing those seals TO EAT.

All right. I've got a lot to say. First off, Jenny, you make an interesting point. A point that i both agree and disagree with. I agree that all animals are equal to an animal rights activist. I agree that all animal cruelty is equal. I disagree that hunting and fishing is animal cruelty. I disagree that killing for food is animal cruelty. I agree that the intelligence level of an animal doesn't matter.

Now, OP, i think i pretty much solidly disgree with you on all points except hunting and fishing. Chickens are about as stupid as it gets, but if you're for animal rights, that shouldn't matter to you. you should not be okay with it. I think you're pretty hypocritcal if you're just for the rights of teh smart animals.

Everyone else:
Hunting is necessary. Animals (particularly herd animals) are not intelligent. They do not understand what humans have done to their land. We have forced htem into areas they shouldn't naturally be in, and because of this, they haven't adapted to the challenges on their food supply. They will eat and eat and eat and they will breed and breed and breed until there is an abundance of individuals and a deficit of food. And htey will all die. But if you pick off some of the individuals in thier breeding prime (usually males) you will be able to keep the population under control and you will save a herd with the death of a few.

I am not an animal rights activist. I am against sadistic animal cruelty, and I wish there were a more humane way to kill hundreds or thousands of animals at one go, BUT THERE ISN'T.

Oh, and tehre is no humane way to die. Slaughter houses do not care if an animal is hurting. Do you know how chickens are slaughtered? highlight--> (warning, its pretty graphic)THey're put in these giant spinning tanks, and their head is clipped in, while their body spins. it simoutainously breaks their neck and the force of the spinning plucks their feathers. They are alive for most of the process, and they can feel almost all of it. But hey, it doesn't matter. after all, they're stupid right?

Hmm.. thats pretty true

 

[Pirate Me]

They're not killed humanly.
One thing that gets to me is that they won't shoot the animals intended for fur selling so they don't ruin their coats.
I know...they're selling them..but still. It just annoys me. Thinking about it, I get a bit upset.

 

[chisnpeke]

I didn't watch the video but it disgusts me that people are cruel to innocent animals. Makes me absolutely sick.

 

[PrincessEeyore]

If you really want to stop animal cruelty, don't keep a pet- you're cruelly taking away their natural instincts by keeping them domesticated.

Okay, then what do you suggest we do with the millions of dogs and cats and rabbits and gerbils and hamsters and guinea pigs and reptiles and any other pet that someone may keep? In the world we've developed, most of these animals wouldn't be able to survive. What kind of animal can live in NYC? (besides birds and whatnot) Can you imagine a hamster running around with all those people coming close to stepping on the poor creature? We've taken away most of these animals natural habitats and because of us there is no place to let them live in saftey anymore.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Okay, then what do you suggest we do with the millions of dogs and cats and rabbits and gerbils and hamsters and guinea pigs and reptiles and any other pet that someone may keep? In the world we've developed, most of these animals wouldn't be able to survive. What kind of animal can live in NYC? (besides birds and whatnot) Can you imagine a hamster running around with all those people coming close to stepping on the poor creature? We've taken away most of these animals natural habitats and because of us there is no place to let them live in saftey anymore.

She didn't say she agreed with it or has any solutions for it. She just said it's true, which it is.