And yet another, seems there is always another......

[mrodgers]

IF there was a problem?

If there was a GUN problem. You and I just see different problems of the same events.

 

[mrodgers]

Wouldn’t you have to take same time to put the ammunition in your gun? And to get your gun? Aren’t guns and ammunition supposed to be locked up separately? Are you admitting to being a bad gun owner?

In the eyes of those who spew the narrative? Yes, I am a bad gun owner I suppose. What good is my firearm if it's locked up separately. Absolutely my firearm is loaded with one in the chamber ready to go. It is useless otherwise.

If I carry it, it is also loaded with one in the chamber ready to go.

At home my firearm is locked up.

 

[Colleen27]

Yes....it's like banging ones head against the wall....that's how it is in this country anyway. It's pointless. It's already too far gone....over 300,000,000 guns in a nation with just slightly more people.

Dan Murphy will start another thread just like this one again. Sadly....I'll see you then. I'm all vented out on this one.

Nah, we've long since passed that - we now have more guns than people in America.

I'm surprised no one's brought up the illegal sales of weapons.
I live near a large city & my understanding is that many guns
of all types (used in crimes), are NOT purchased at stores/gun shows.
Guns of all types have been sold on the streets for decades!
When it comes to regulation my question has been,
"Why aren't we doing more to stop the illegal sales of weapons?"
And yes, unfortunately most of the mass shooters seemed to have
bought their guns legally - but not all.

No one brings it up any more, at least not in the national conversation, because too many sources from both ends of the political spectrum have reached the same conclusions: the best way to slow or stop the illegal sale of firearms in the US is to more tightly regulate legal sales. Corrupt firearms dealers, straw purchases, and unregulated private-party sales are the major entry points of firearms to the black market, per BATF statistics. So the solutions are the same things that get brought up as ways to rein in sales to people intent on carrying out mass shootings - universal background checks, more oversight of dealers, an end to the private party sale loopholes, etc.

And finally, why are the majority of the crime problems in areas of a particular political demographic and not where those who oppose your gun thoughts reside?

Poverty. Teenagers generally don't start jacking cars for organized crime rings or risking their lives as the foot soldiers of drug operations if they have access to opportunity and hope for the future.

But that's another problem where we've tried nothing and are all out of ideas.

 

[Colleen27]

In the eyes of those who spew the narrative? Yes, I am a bad gun owner I suppose. What good is my firearm if it's locked up separately. Absolutely my firearm is loaded with one in the chamber ready to go. It is useless otherwise.

If I carry it, it is also loaded with one in the chamber ready to go.

At home my firearm is locked up.

Genuinely curious, as someone who owns sporting guns but who has never thought of them as a matter of defense - Don't you worry that having a gun at the ready increases the chances of a middle-of-the-night accident if someone comes in late and you mistake them for an intruder? I've woken up to mysterious noises that turned out to be one of my older teen/young adult kids getting home or one of the bonus kids needing a place to stay often enough that I'd be more nervous about having a handgun ready to go than I ever have been to go through life unarmed.

 

[TAX GUY]

Guns will never be "limited" in our country because people see it as something being "taken away" from them. Nobody has said anything about taking every single gun away. Ons side of the political aisle started that dialogue and as a result, gun acquisition has skyrocketed.

My question is this: why does an ordinary citizen need a machine gun? Can somebody please explain this to me?

What ordinary citizen has a machine gun?

Some of the comments are a clear indication that some have absolutely no idea about firearms or the laws that are already in place for them.

 

[Frwinkley]

What ordinary citizen has a machine gun?

Some of the comments are a clear indication that some have absolutely no idea about firearms or the laws that are already in place for them.

So sorry. I used the wrong terminology. What I meant to say was a semi-automatic rifle like an AR-15. I am genuinely curious. Isn't a handgun enough of a source of protection?

 

[TAX GUY]

So sorry. I used the wrong terminology. What I meant to say was a semi-automatic rifle like an AR-15. I am genuinely curious. Isn't a handgun enough of a source of protection?

Many (most) hand guns like a .22, 9mm, .40, etc are also semi automatic. There are many other firearms that are far more powerful than the AR-15, but they are never mentioned in these discussions, why? Not enough knowledge and simply going off of what the media talks about?

 

[Neapolitan Ice Cream]

Education sometimes backfires. In school we had a lecture by a firearms officer in the range and deadlines of weapons. All it did was make certain more impressionable students suddenly VERY interested in guns!

 

[Colleen27]

Many (most) hand guns like a .22, 9mm, .40, etc are also semi automatic. There are many other firearms that are far more powerful than the AR-15, but they are never mentioned in these discussions, why? Not enough knowledge and simply going off of what the media talks about?

"More powerful" how? Muzzle velocity? An AR-15 produces 2.5x the muzzle velocity of a 9mm handgun. Impact force? An AR-15 puts out more than triple the kinetic energy of a 9mm handgun. Range? Conventional wisdom is that effective accurate range with a rifle is 3-4x that of a handgun.

There's really only one measure by which an AR-15 is "less powerful" than other guns. Many hunting rifles do achieve higher muzzle velocity. But that is just another factor that makes the AR-15 the weapon of choice for mass shootings, because it means the AR has less kick than a hunting rifle and is thus easier to keep aimed through a barrage of shots. The accusation that anyone who wants to see the AR-15, specifically, banned or the assault weapons ban reinstated is just a red herring to distract from the real and uniquely severe damage these guns do to their target, damage that many, many doctors have spoken out about after treating mass shooting victims.

https://www.mcall.com/health/mc-hea-ar-15-wounds-20190629-pttjqemgcrhkxmfm5pzsb7uq6u-story.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...designed-kill-efficiently-possible-ncna848346
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

 

[Colleen27]

Hi, Sam.

I think your thoughts here are pretty key. Certain weapons are already banned from ownership by 'everyday people'. Working missile launchers, grenade launchers, flame throwers, operational tanks, bazookas, RPG's, automatic firing machine guns.. etc., etc. I think what the clear majority of the country is simply looking and hoping for is a ban on assault style weapons along with high capacity magazines. Most, a very large majority, are not looking for banning guns in general. Just adding a type to the current banned items, like bazookas, RPG's what have you.

Just my observation, as well as my hope.

Fun fact: flame throwers are not actually prohibited in most places. IIRC, California is the only state with a ban on their use (and that's for fire prevention purposes, not gun control) and federal regulation does not class them as firearms so no federal gun laws apply. I know this because a company in my area started making a "personal use" flamethrower and when a city banned them, the company tried to challenge the ban on 2nd Amendment grounds. But the judge threw the case out since something that isn't a gun, by federal definition, isn't subject to 2nd Amendment guarantees.

 

[TAX GUY]

"More powerful" how? Muzzle velocity? An AR-15 produces 2.5x the muzzle velocity of a 9mm handgun. Impact force? An AR-15 puts out more than triple the kinetic energy of a 9mm handgun. Range? Conventional wisdom is that effective accurate range with a rifle is 3-4x that of a handgun.

There's really only one measure by which an AR-15 is "less powerful" than other guns. Many hunting rifles do achieve higher muzzle velocity. But that is just another factor that makes the AR-15 the weapon of choice for mass shootings, because it means the AR has less kick than a hunting rifle and is thus easier to keep aimed through a barrage of shots. The accusation that anyone who wants to see the AR-15, specifically, banned or the assault weapons ban reinstated is just a red herring to distract from the real and uniquely severe damage these guns do to their target, damage that many, many doctors have spoken out about after treating mass shooting victims.

https://www.mcall.com/health/mc-hea-ar-15-wounds-20190629-pttjqemgcrhkxmfm5pzsb7uq6u-story.html
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opini...designed-kill-efficiently-possible-ncna848346
https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...land-should-change-the-debate-on-guns/553937/
https://www.wired.com/2016/06/ar-15-can-human-body/

Ah, the weapon of choice. Right. And choice by who? The psychopaths that want to hurt people? But I thought it was guns (plural) that are the problem. There needs to be more/stricter gun laws, right?

Really just rhetorical questions. The "discussions" that are had here on the DIS are from the same ole members with the same ole argument and talking points. Like someone else replied a little further back, we'll see everyone on the next one.

 

[Colleen27]

Ah, the weapon of choice. Right. And choice by who? The psychopaths that want to hurt people? But I thought it was guns (plural) that are the problem. There needs to be more/stricter gun laws, right?

A plural can refer to multiple items of the same variety. You do know that, right? And an assault rifle ban, like the one that was in place back when mass shootings were rare in this country, would be "stricter gun laws" even though it wouldn't apply to every gun ever built.

And yes, the weapon of choice for people who want to hurt other people. An AR-15 has no other purpose. It is not suited for hunting. It is not suited for self-protection. It is designed to hurt people, and only people. Sure, some law abiding folks want to own them to play Rambo at the range, but that hardly seems like a compelling enough reason to make a weapon designed specifically to inflict maximum damage on the human body to be as easily available as they are in our country.

 

[TAX GUY]

A plural can refer to multiple items of the same variety. You do know that, right? And an assault rifle ban, like the one that was in place back when mass shootings were rare in this country, would be "stricter gun laws" even though it wouldn't apply to every gun ever built.

And yes, the weapon of choice for people who want to hurt other people. An AR-15 has no other purpose. It is not suited for hunting. It is not suited for self-protection. It is designed to hurt people, and only people. Sure, some law abiding folks want to own them to play Rambo at the range, but that hardly seems like a compelling enough reason to make a weapon designed specifically to inflict maximum damage on the human body to be as easily available as they are in our country.

Ok

 

[Dan Murphy]

What makes something "assault style"? What do you do for those who currently LEGALLY own such a weapon? They have to turn them in? Do they get money for them? Where does that money come from?

Colleen covered it quite well just above this post here by me.

https://www.disboards.com/threads/a...there-is-always-another.3907577/post-64562893

For current owners. Probably allow to keep, if registered. Offer a generous bounty for owners to voluntarily turn them in. Where to get the money? Same place the US gets whatever money they ultimately need for anything.

Then wouldn't that mean its all the crooked politicians taking that money and ignoring the people's desires?

Yeah, you're good on that one.

Nah, we've long since passed that - we now have more guns than people in America.

120 guns per 100 people, according to most recent survey, 2017. I can't imagine what it is today, 6 years hence. In a chart I posted either on this thread or another here, 49 million additional guns were US manufactured from 2017-2021. Add one more year plus imported guns and you have one heck of a lot of deadly firepower.

 

[Dan Murphy]

120 guns per 100 people, according to most recent survey, 2017. I can't imagine what it is today, 6 years hence. In a chart I posted either on this thread or another here, 49 million additional guns were US manufactured from 2017-2021. Add one more year plus imported guns and you have one heck of a lot of deadly firepower.

his is the chart, I had posted on a different thread earlier.

 

[luvthatduke]

In case anyone's interested:

"I believe the weapon that was recovered at the (dance hall) Alhambra location is not legal
to have here in the state of California," LA Sheriff Robert Luna told reporters...

https://www.sfgate.com/politics/art...38573.php?stn=nf&sid=5dba84ae773f84004444b5a5

 

[BlueStarryHat]

I wish there was a roll eyes emoji on the 'Like' button so I could use it for some of these posts.

 

[OKW8297]

I adore the ignore button

 

[OKW8297]

I wish there was a roll eyes emoji on the 'Like' button so I could use it for some of these posts.

I have chosen the ignore option for some posters

 

[Dakota731]

It didn’t happen again - it happens every day. There were 7 people killed just THIS WEEKEND in Chicago. There were 516 people murdered in Philadelphia last year, but you don’t have the news coverage for those victims. The vast majority of gun killings in this country are committed by inner city young males not mass shooters on the rampage. And contrary to our media, it’s not law abiding NRA members who are going around shooting people. Most gun murders are drug or gang related in this country and more and more aren’t being prosecuted but are being left back on the streets.
The gun the suspect in California used was illegal in that state, but SHOCKER a criminal committed a crime and obtained a weapon. California and Chicago have some of the strictest gun laws in the nation yet still have the highest murder rates.
It’s like taking away booze from an alcoholic without getting to the root of his problem. You can take guns from everyone in this country yet criminals will find a way to steal them or get them illegally. We have glorified violence for years in this country - in video games, in rap music and in Hollywood movies. There are very few fathers in the home in our inner cities and drugs are flowing free over our border, so how about trying to fix some of these issues instead of lip service and more laws that don’t do diddly squat to change anything.