Americans and Canadians culture Q&A Thread.

[SirDuff]

We (thanks to the Native Americans) invented the original beaver tail (aka Elephant Ears).
https://www.indianapolismonthly.com/food-and-drinks/recipes/recipe-state-fair-elephant-ears

America invented bubble gum in 1928 (in PA by Walter E. Diemer).

Can’t help yourself, can you? Of course you need to claim that at least one thing in the list is actually American. Surprised it’s just two really.

Did you Google each item to see what you could try to claim?

 

[SirDuff]

3 reasons:

strengthen the economy
reunite families
provide humanitarian relief to refugees

And to really say it is easier/harder to immigrate into one country than another, you'd have to do it stratified by type of immigrant. I cannot pull it up on UNCHR right now (neither country is in the top five which is all I'm easily finding), but last time discussed, Canada had accepted far more refugees per capita than the US (though not on an absolute basis). But not sure that holds true for other groups. Green card was mentioned, but many people move to the US by other methods (I did - I was there on a "NAFTA visa" which is super easy to get if you have one of the listed degrees). Literally 30 minutes at the airport (or land border) with a letter from my new job, my CV, and my degree parchment (that was the only annoying part since its a bit awkward to carry around an airport).

And, then, what is your measure (and how do you define immigrant - would, I, with a "NAFTA visa" count)?
- New immigrant numbers in absolute terms
- New immigrant numbers per capita
- Percentage of successful applicants
- Length of time it takes to get through process? Cost?

 

[ronandannette]

Can’t help yourself, can you? Of course you need to claim that at least one thing in the list is actually American. Surprised it’s just two really.

Did you Google each item to see what you could try to claim?

In the spirit of goodwill, I already obliquely offered to give up peanut butter and California rolls. I honestly thought Buzz would come back with some data about how they were invented in the States. I mean seriously - who among us would question it if somebody told us George Washington Carver figured out peanut butter (amongst the 300-some-odd other peanut-based things) or that California roll came from, well, California?

 

[SirDuff]

In the spirit of goodwill, I already obliquely offered to give up peanut butter and California rolls. I honestly thought Buzz would come back with some data about how they were invented in the States. I mean seriously - who among us would question it if somebody told us George Washington Carver figured out peanut butter (amongst the 300-some-odd other peanut-based things) or that California roll came from, well, California?

I thought it was President Carter, myself

For the California roll, I do know that Hawaiian pizza was invented in Canada, so why not the California roll?
A quick search suggests much controversy over the true inventor (but one option is a chef in Vancouver).

Peanut butter seems to be a Canadian - https://www.nationalpeanutboard.org/peanut-info/who-invented-peanut-butter.htm

 

[lisaviolet]

In the spirit of goodwill, I already obliquely offered to give up peanut butter and California rolls. I honestly thought Buzz would come back with some data about how they were invented in the States. I mean seriously - who among us would question it if somebody told us George Washington Carver figured out peanut butter (amongst the 300-some-odd other peanut-based things) or that California roll came from, well, California?

The things one learns. Laughing.

 

[RedAngie]

How about if I just want to live in Canada when I retire? I have enough resources to never become a financial burden. I’d willingly pay whatever income taxes Justin wants to extract from me.

Maybe a condo in Vancouver and/or Toronto. Live there 3 to 6 months a year, or maybe longer. Not necessarily ever want to become a citizen, just a resident.

 

[Frozen Canuck]

I have to take offense to maple syrup being included on this list. Native American/First Nations have been making maple syrup for centuries.
Thank you for Poutine, best side dish ever.

I would absolutely agree! I was also surprised that it was listed as a Canadian invention from the 1700's. The first WRITTEN documentation of maple syrup production was supposedly by a French explorer in the 1500's. Calling the First Nations people "Canadians" and then claiming maple syrup seemed like a stretch.

The same goes for @Buzz Rules claiming elephant ears for the US. It is based off of Navajo fried bread. America just renamed it and added different toppings...no different than what Beaver Tails did. That being said, the list didn't say that Canadians invented fry bread, it simply stated that Beaver Tails themselves originated in Canada. (There are a few franchises in the US now, so they are spreading.)

 

[Buzz Rules]

@Buzz Rules I think your perception of your homeland is coloured by the idealism you’ve been raised with.. that you have very little idea how the US in recent years is perceived on the world stage. Yes.. the US has had major accomplishments in many areas, but so have many other countries. And yes.. you have a storied military history, but so does the UK among others. But on todays global stage - other countries are making major strides, keeping pace or exceeding the US in medical, technological, telecommunication, and manufacturing. The balance of commerce is shifting to countries that have become global titans - think the far East. Many other countries are giving humanitarian aid throughout the world, not only to the Ukraine… As i said in my previous post, everyone sees their homeland as special.. but those with a global viewpoint are seeing the bigger picture.

I do understand how the USA is negatively perceived around the world. Much of it justified.

 

[RedAngie]

That's OK, the actual cup never leaves Canada.

Except when it’s presented to the winner on US ice, as it has been for most of the last 29 years.

I think the actual Stanley Cup tours to the respective final cities too. I didn’t visit, but I think the Cup was on display in Philadelphia (and Chicago) when the Flyers were in the 2010 finals.

 

[Buzz Rules]

I would absolutely agree! I was also surprised that it was listed as a Canadian invention from the 1700's. The first WRITTEN documentation of maple syrup production was supposedly by a French explorer in the 1500's. Calling the First Nations people "Canadians" and then claiming maple syrup seemed like a stretch.

The same goes for @Buzz Rules claiming elephant ears for the US. It is based off of Navajo fried bread. America just renamed it and added different toppings...no different than what Beaver Tails did. That being said, the list didn't say that Canadians invented fry bread, it simply stated that Beaver Tails themselves originated in Canada. (There are a few franchises in the US now, so they are spreading.)

I did say it was invented by Native Americans/First Peoples in my post. I just meant that Canada copied the modern version from the USA. Modern elephant ears existed before beaver tails. I meant it as a correction to the list based off the date listed.

 

[SirDuff]

How about if I just want to live in Canada when I retire? I have enough resources to never become a financial burden. I’d willingly pay whatever income taxes Justin wants to extract from me.

Maybe a condo in Vancouver and/or Toronto. Live there 3 to 6 months a year, or maybe longer. Not necessarily ever want to become a citizen, just a resident.

Presumably, you could just be a "reverse snowbird", if you stayed less than six months. More than that (some sort of permanent resident) would be trickier as any of the worker options would not be open to you.

 

[prairie_girl]

Except when it’s presented to the winner on US ice, as it has been for most of the last 29 years.

I think the actual Stanley Cup tours to the respective final cities too. I didn’t visit, but I think the Cup was on display in Philadelphia (and Chicago) when the Flyers were in the 2010 finals.

The real Stanley Cup stays in a vault and is rarely taken out.

 

[Buzz Rules]

I thought it was President Carter, myself

For the California roll, I do know that Hawaiian pizza was invented in Canada, so why not the California roll?
A quick search suggests much controversy over the true inventor (but one option is a chef in Vancouver).

Peanut butter seems to be a Canadian - https://www.nationalpeanutboard.org/peanut-info/who-invented-peanut-butter.htm

I knew peanut butter was invented in Canada. Why would I deny a proven fact?

 

[SirDuff]

I did say it was invented by Native Americans/First Peoples in my post. I just meant that Canada copied the modern version from the USA. Modern elephant ears existed before beaver tails. I meant it as a correction to the list based off the date listed.

Or, you know, they copied Canadian indigenous people (based on Bannock) or the developer's German grandmother

https://theculturetrip.com/north-am...nadian-doughnut-a-history-of-the-beaver-tail/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/beavertails-celebrates-40th-birthday-1.4729874

I knew peanut butter was invented in Canada. Why would I deny a proven fact?

Can you please me to the place where I said (or even suggested) that you did?

 

[Buzz Rules]

I didn’t ask what Oxford Dictionary defined it as; I asked how YOU define it.

I was trying to find an answer that would not be taken as a political statement. The dictionary seemed to be a logical solution to respond with.

 

[Buzz Rules]

Or, you know, they copied Canadian indigenous people (based on Bannock) or the developer's German grandmother

https://theculturetrip.com/north-am...nadian-doughnut-a-history-of-the-beaver-tail/
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/beavertails-celebrates-40th-birthday-1.4729874

I said that fry bread was invented by Native Americans, somewhere in the 1850’s/60’s. European settlers in the USA copied the recipe and turned it into a state fair snack soon after. Canada saw its success and created the beaver tail based on the elephant snack. I’m not saying the First People of Canada did not have their own recipes. I’m saying the modern versions we know them today as were customized by European American and the trend caught on in Canada later.

 

[SirDuff]

I said that fry bread was invented by Native Americans, somewhere in the 1850’s/60’s. European settlers in the USA copied the recipe and turned it into a state fair snack soon after. Canada saw its success and created the beaver tail based on the elephant snack. I’m not saying the First People of Canada did not have their own recipes. I’m saying the modern versions we know them today as were customized by European American and the trend caught on in Canada later.

And, I (and the people who started the Beaver Tails booth) am saying that you are wrong. Beaver Tails did not copy something from the US. It is possible for similar things to develop in two countries without one country having had to have copied the other. Did you even bother to read the links I posted?

 

[Buzz Rules]

Can you please me to the place where I said (or even suggested) that you did?

You seem to believe I think America is perfect and we must have invented everything in the world. Which I don’t.

 

[SirDuff]

You seem to believe I think America is perfect and we must have invented everything in the world. Which I don’t.

So, no. You cannot point out where I said what you accused me of saying. Great. Good to know.

 

[Buzz Rules]

And, I (and the people who started the Beaver Tails booth) am saying that you are wrong. Beaver Tails did not copy something from the US. It is possible for similar things to develop in two countries without one country having had to have copied the other. Did you even bother to read the links I posted?

Yes, I did read them. They said Canada made the beaver tail popular in 1978. Beaver tails and elephant ears are almost the same exact thing. America had state fairs before then where they were sold. I said copied because while both countries had populations that could have similar recipes, I’m talking about, once again the modern version. I’m going to see if there is a link between when the Canadian and American versions became popular.