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Who will get the save

  • Danny

  • Adam

  • Allison

  • Lil Rounds

  • Megan

  • Scott

  • Kris

  • Matt

  • Anoop

  • no one


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:laughing: Those seasons were such messes! The only one I really liked in any of those seasons was Bo. And Constantine cracks me up! I saw him in Rock of Ages and he was AWESOME! I'm just glad I stuck around because I LOVED last season (probably the best group of people, talent and likability-wise) and this ones been fun too :thumbsup2
I'm glad to hear that Constantine is good in that show. I thought with how cheesy he could be sometimes he might not be that great but I loved him on Idol and I'm glad he is doing well now.
 
Rickey Minor had some interesting comments on song choices and as I suspected, they don't get to pick anything they want.


"The contestants get to choose their performance number from a list of pre-approved songs, usually between 50 and 100 songs long. This week, they'll each get one hour with a vocal coach and rehearsal pianist where they can try about three to five possibilities and see which ones best fit their voices and performance styles.
The smart ones, though, have done some research ahead of time. "Some have made up their minds already," Minor says. "They've decided the song they're singing. That way, they get Thursday and Friday to work out their arrangements."
By the way, "Songs From the Cinema" night almost had a battle for a song.
Both Adam Lambert and Scott MacIntyre had Seal's Kiss From a Rose (from Batman Forever) on their short list. Ultimately, neither performed the song: Scott was eliminated, and Adam opted for Steppenwolf's Born to Be Wild, one of the night's few uptempo numbers."

Apparently Adam programs his song list thinking about the whole season as a set list rather than living week to week. He's the smartest performer of the bunch as far as having a game plan to win this thing. LA Times Idoltracker also said the producers only settled on Disco as a theme Wednesday morning after a previously scheduled mentor canceled their appearance. Maybe that's why Simon said they wouldn't like the "news" when he announced it on Wednesday night.
 
There has been somebody I really liked almost every year (Jordin Sparks year really didn't do it for me and Fantasia's year was kinda ho hum). They haven't always made it to the final but they kept the show entertaining for me. I didn't watch the first year.

Ruben and Clay, Bo Bice, Ace Young, Chris Daughtry, Jason Castro, Kris and Adam.



Here is Kris's studio recording of Falling Slowly. So pretty. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0LISmz8WVc

And a rather weird arrangement for Adam's studio recording of Born to be Wild. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Qik0e1fFA&feature=related

Mad World studio version is so much better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXGBWQdHsyQ&feature=related
 

I do like the way Adam plans out his "set". The PP that mentioned that the show was a big long set is a great comparison.

Adam would have done well with Seal's Kiss from a Rose... I do love that song. Seal can SING!!!!

If it is a preset selection list of 100 songs, it could be awful.
 
I do like the way Adam plans out his "set". The PP that mentioned that the show was a big long set is a great comparison.

Adam would have done well with Seal's Kiss from a Rose... I do love that song. Seal can SING!!!!

I'm glad we didn't have to listen to Scott sing it.



I love this picture.
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Interesting editorial in Salon.com today. I'll post it below. The author is very fair in his assesment of who is left and why Danny or Allison could win this.

How I learned to love (and hate) "American Idol"
For seven years I ignored the world's biggest pop culture spectacle. But thanks to my daughter -- and the stunningly original Adam Lambert -- I finally caved.
By Gary Kamiya, Apr. 19, 2009

Until this year, I have never watched "American Idol." Not one episode, not one song, not one hemisemidemiquaver. How did I manage to miss the No. 1 rated show on TV for seven years? It was easy. Pretty much the only things I watch on TV are sports, old movies and the occasional episode of "SpongeBob Squarepants." Moreover, I am ignorant of and have almost zero interest in most contemporary pop music, certainly pop music of the Britney Spears/Mariah Carey/Kelly Clarkson variety. And finally, I suspected that "American Idol" was the biggest, slickest, most-sold-out, most vulgar, most sentimental, most prepackaged chunk of American cheesiness in our great cultural Costco. And I tend to avoid that aisle.

This year, however, I found myself dragged before the set in mid-season by my 12-year-old daughter, who discovered "American Idol" and got hooked. I figured I would never have a better person to watch it with: Celeste not only loves pop music, she's a trained singer who has been performing since she was 7 with the San Francisco Girls Chorus, a nationally recognized chorus whose top level performed at Obama's inauguration. It's more fun screaming "he was flat!" at someone who has an ear.

The family that watches "American Idol" together may stay together, but that doesn't mean that the show isn't a big, fat portent of cultural doom. (NBC Universal head Jeff Zucker said it might be "the most impactful show in the history of television," and whenever studio execs say things like that, it is wise to prepare for the End of Days.) The show may have a chewy, heartwarming center, but it's unbelievably creepy around the edges. You want the most blatant, unapologetic product placement of all time? The recent Ford "Magic Show" video shoot segment (complete with "arty" Hollywood director) made me feel like I was watching a YouTube video of the Visigoths approaching the walls of Rome. The show prostitutes itself before anything that will sell, from Ford to Coca-Cola and iTunes. "AI" stands for both "American Idol" and "artificial intelligence," and there couldn't be anything more artificial -- or, from a capitalist standpoint, intelligent -- than the way the show manufactures cultural widgets. The show's producers carefully select a group of contestants who drive the show's insanely large (25 million people) viewership, which allows the show to sell 30-second ads for $623,000, the highest rate on TV. It then throws bones back to the sponsors with product placement, and turns the winners, whose contracts "AI" owns, into yet another herd of cash cows. If vertical integration went any further, we'd be in David Foster Wallace's "Infinite Jest," where the months are named after products.

But as with all reality TV, all this marketing and moneymaking is driven by an irreducible and addictive kernel: real people competing. And that's the part that pulled me, and 24,999,999 other people, in. It's weird, finding yourself passionately arguing about who is best at a genre you don't even like. It's a little bit like comparing different models of Hummers. But the secret of reality TV's success is that just about any human competition can be made interesting: Get the right group of people and shoot them in the right way, and you can turn a game of tiddlywinks into the second coming of World War II. The truth is that TV has been working this vein since the medium was born.

And the show has another trump card: music. OK, it's pop music, but that's such a huge mansion that it contains some rooms everyone is going to like. That may be the ultimate draw of "American Idol": Pop music is so deep in our cultural DNA that we're all experts. We may not all know how to write or produce a hit song, like the judges, but we all have an almost infinite resource of pop-music memories to draw on.

And that knowledge includes not just music, but that ineffable thing called style -- which is where it gets interesting. For pop music is about both musical talent and image, and the distinction between them is a blurred no-man's-land.

"American Idol" offers a strange, and in some ways subversive, perspective on pop music. Because it features amateurs who lack the seamless, produced polish of pop pros (although one or two ringers have apparently sneaked in), it actually deconstructs the very medium that its contestants aspire to conquer. Maybe the weirdest and most compelling thing about the show is watching real people who, for perfectly good reasons, desperately aspire to be devoured by the great plastic machinery of pop stardom -- but who, in order to seize that gold ring, have to tap into their own naive, mundane talent, have to be themselves. It's a paradox as old as America, and it drives the show. When Ryan Seacrest tells contestants who have been voted off that they have to sing for their lives, it's hokey -- but it's irresistible.

And because the contestants actually need to be talented, there are fewer of the synthetic hard-body pretty boys and girls who pop up in shows like "Survivor." Whether by the Machiavellian wiles of the producers in charge of the selection process, or more likely just because that's who they are, the finalists are refreshingly unstylish and nondescript. They're basically a bunch of schmoes who can sing.

For its part, the vast audience serves as a kind of Greek chorus, whose job it is to balance all the diverse and sometimes contradictory attributes that go into making a pop star, and deliver its judgment. Sometimes it rewards pure musical talent, sometimes style, sometimes something else altogether. It isn't predictable. And one of the things that makes the show watchable is the sense that the audience might choose someone for reasons that are less synthetic, Machiavellian and coldly knowing than the reasons why a studio exec might choose them.

What makes the show fascinating is that the criteria the audience uses to determine who will win are uncertain and up for grabs. Pop music is fashion. But good music is also good music, even if it's sung by a dork. Neil Diamond is about as unhip as you can get, but "Solitary Man" is a great song.

Which brings us to the current crop of seven contestants. The odds-on favorite to win, and deservedly so, is Adam Lambert. Adam has towered above the other singers for weeks, to the point where it seems almost unfair. His fellow contestants are all talented, but they're not in his league. He attacks his songs with the fiery assurance of a seasoned artist. His interpretation of Johnny Cash's "Ring of Fire" a few weeks ago was stunningly original. He's a screamer with a killer falsetto, but his rendition of "Tracks of My Tears" on Motown Week demonstrated that he can sing under control, and that song also showed off his near-perfect pitch. This week he rocketed his way through Steppenwolf's "Born to Be Wild," showing off his outrageous heavy-metal upper register. Plus, the man can move -- in fact, he's the only one of the contestants who seems to have a working body. He looks good: His black hair and fleshy cheeks recall Elvis, always a good pop predecessor to have. Finally, he passes the all-important imagination test: You can imagine paying money to see him performing on a real stage right now.

So I'm a big Adam fan. I'm still expecting him to take it all. But this week, for the first time it entered my mind that someone else might win if Adam stumbled, and that I might not even mind that much. Before we get to who that is, though, let us pause, in schlocky, suspense-building, Ryan Seacrest-like fashion, to review the rest of the field.

At this point, there are four serious contestants and three doomed souls. Doomed soul No. 1 is Anoop Desai. Anoop has a fine voice, like all of the contestants at this stage. He did an almost uncannily exact cover of Smokey Robinson's "Ooo Baby Baby." But he sounded like a tape recorder. There's something smoothly empty about his singing. It's a little too easy to imagine him crooning in a Las Vegas ballroom.

Doomed soul No. 2, Lil Rounds, has a strong gospel/soul voice, but has struggled to make the transition to singing pop. She does not seem to inhabit her songs, but only visit them: It's hard to get a read on who she is. After her last song, Bette Midler's "The Rose," she complained that the judges had told her she wasn't artistic enough, but then didn't reward her for trying to give her own imprint to the song by adding an R&B middle. Basically, she was saying she'd been jerked around, and that no matter what she did, they didn't like it. There was some justice to her charge, but ultimately the problem is hers. Lil just hasn't figured out how to negotiate her way to her musical persona. Her singing, while better than Anoop's, isn't extraordinary enough to overcome that problem.

Doomed soul No. 3, Matt Giraud, was saved by the judges, who appear to like him more than they like Anoop or Lil. Matt is a solid R&B belter, but probably doesn't have the breeding to finish in the money.

That leaves the four who could still win. The most intriguing of them is Allison Iraheta. Allison has a stunning alto voice, throaty and deep and smoky, almost freakishly mature for someone 16 years old. She killed doing Bonnie Raitt's "I Can't Make You Love Me" a week ago. No other singer left has pipes like hers, which gives her a legit dark-horse shot. But she may run afoul of her vague and amorphous image, which is reflected in her less than impressive wardrobe choices: She comes across as a confused combination of thrift-store gamine, aspiring punker and girl next door. The fact that she's just a kid and can't be expected to have figured this stuff out, alas, will not help her: There are no handicaps given for youth on this show.

Kris Allen is an extremely solid performer -- he's good-looking in a boyish way, with a fine voice, excellent phrasing and an attractive, slightly vulnerable intensity as a performer. He also plays a nice guitar. If he kills every song from here on out and Adam stumbles, he could sneak in. But that's unlikely.

And that brings up the one contestant besides Adam, and possibly Allison, who has a chance to win it all: Danny Gokey. It was only Tuesday night that it struck me that Danny could have an outside shot to beat Adam, and that if he did, he would have earned it. A church choir director whose wife just died, Danny has been strong all along, but somehow I never took him seriously. Maybe it was his material, or his appearance. He's a stocky man with a likable disposition, but no one's idea of a pop star. On Tuesday, performing Lionel Ritchie's "Endless Love," he started out slowly, hampered by clunky harp chords that got in his way. But then he came to the chorus and hit the big note, nailed it with his gorgeous rough-rich voice, showing tonal quality that Adam, for all his skill and swagger, doesn't have. I don't think Danny has the chops to overtake the Adam juggernaut, but if everything falls perfectly into place, he could.

Which brings up the elephant in the room: Adam's gayness. (He has not actually come out, but pictures of him kissing men and a video of him saying that women are not his preference are all over the Internet.) No gay man has ever won "Idol," which raises the sociopolitical stakes of the show's finale considerably. If Adam loses, will it be because of homophobia?

Since we don't know how the contestants will perform, there's no way to say. It's not impossible, sadly, that bigotry could play a role. But if Danny or Allison, or somehow Kris, sing the songs of their lives, and Adam is off, it is at least conceivable that the long shots could win fair and square, simply because more people decided that the sounds coming out of their mouths were more beautiful than the ones coming out of Adam's.

Adam also has a great voice, but he excels at the other side of pop music -- the stylish, the theatrical. He's a performer. In this light, a final showdown between Adam, Danny and Allison would be rich with cultural ironies. Adam, the outsider, the gay man, is actually the one riding our dominant cultural wave, the one dreamed up in the dream factories in L.A. and New York. He's the maestro of spectacle, the flashy performer. All Danny and Allison offer, by contrast, are great voices. They represent the values of the heartland, but the heartland does not stoke what Joni Mitchell called "the starmaker machinery behind the popular song."

Who is the master here, who the slave? Who is the favorite and who the underdog? Who will America reward? And why?

True cultural democracy, on four! One, two, three...
 
Interesting salon article. I'm not usually a Salon fan, but that article did bring up a few burning questions, especially on Adam's choices.

Sure, Clay has come out but it was only after he left Idol. Are some people afraid or "hate" Adam because of who he is? It seems that some individuals are dare I say homophobic to him because he makes no apologies. He wears makeup, uses hair products and all that.

I think some individuals are uncertain of Adam. Lets face it, there are still tons of bigots in the world. Adam with his high hair, falsetto and black nail polish suprise people. Remember Randy Travis' reaction to Adam?

I think his ability outshines others.
 
Remember Nate Marshall? Well, I stopped into Spencer's Gifts in our local mall, and there he was...working the register! I ran and found DH who came back in with me and chatted him up. Evidently he has a recording deal lined up but cannot proceed until his contract with AI expires. I guess he has moved to Vermont from Malone NY. :confused3 He says he is recognized alot. I kind of felt sorry for the guy.

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Maybe in this new age of "enlightenment" we as American's will be able to look at artists as artists and separate their professional life from their private lives.

I sure hope so.
 
There have been so many genius performers/artists who are gay that I don't think we give it a second thought.
 
That was an interesting article.

While I wouldn't give it a second thought, I'm sure there are people who would. I'm sure Adam's eye makeup, dyed hair, sexual orientation, and personality have turned off a few people.

I like the guy and think he is one of the most talented performers ever on AI. He's entertaining and I never know what to expect when he gets up there to sing. It's great to be surprised and entertained all at the same time.
 
Yeah Hicks should not have won at all and that is evidenced by the fact that Chris Daughtry is now a radio staple and Taylor Hicks is playing teen angel in the touring production of Grease. They are not quite on the same level and that just shows how off the voting can be sometimes.
Sorry gotta disagree with you there.

Chris Daughtry had a vibrato that was truly irritating during his run on AI. He had gotten to the point where everything he sang sounded the same. Either he worked on it or they fixed it in production on the album. I went to see Idols on Tour that year and his voice hurt my ears because of the vibrato and the treble range he was singing in.

As for Taylor Hicks, he has a lot of talent. Unfortunately for him, he won which can be a problem for the winners. I love his bluesy voice and want to hear him singing some down home blues. I also see your comment about his appearance in Grease, did you go see him in it? He's amazing and it was worth the money for me.
 
I've got to agree with MissDisney on the Hicks/Daughtry. Chris Daughtry's voice is amazing. I love listening to it and think he is very talented. Taylor Hicks seems like a likable guy you would see singing at a bar or something. Not in the same league at all. Not even close.
 
I love this picture.
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ME TOO!!! Thanks for posting it!

Maybe in this new age of "enlightenment" we as American's will be able to look at artists as artists and separate their professional life from their private lives.

I sure hope so.

I hope so, too. I wanted to point something out. This photo (as well as many others I've seen) indicates that the other contestants don't really have any problem with Adam being gay. Maybe it's a generation thing, because I know MANY, MANY men in my "generation" who wouldn't be caught dead hugging a gay man. Hopefully we can take a lesson form this younger set. :thumbsup2
 
Sorry gotta disagree with you there.

Chris Daughtry had a vibrato that was truly irritating during his run on AI. He had gotten to the point where everything he sang sounded the same. Either he worked on it or they fixed it in production on the album. I went to see Idols on Tour that year and his voice hurt my ears because of the vibrato and the treble range he was singing in.

As for Taylor Hicks, he has a lot of talent. Unfortunately for him, he won which can be a problem for the winners. I love his bluesy voice and want to hear him singing some down home blues. I also see your comment about his appearance in Grease, did you go see him in it? He's amazing and it was worth the money for me.

I'm a big Taylor Hicks fan who also has become a Daughtry fan....I think the difference between Taylor and Chris is that for Taylor to get his music out there and get the opportunities he's had such as performing in "Grease" he had to win "Idol" however Chris didn't need to win Idol to have a successful career....another point about Taylor is in my opinion he's better live than on his recordings.
 
Remember Nate Marshall? Well, I stopped into Spencer's Gifts in our local mall, and there he was...working the register! I ran and found DH who came back in with me and chatted him up. Evidently he has a recording deal lined up but cannot proceed until his contract with AI expires. I guess he has moved to Vermont from Malone NY. :confused3 He says he is recognized alot. I kind of felt sorry for the guy.

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Wow! That's crazy odd to just run into him at working at the mall. It shows that while this show is huge, that even the few who make it on there, aren't guaranteed to make it.
 
I hope so, too. I wanted to point something out. This photo (as well as many others I've seen) indicates that the other contestants don't really have any problem with Adam being gay. Maybe it's a generation thing, because I know MANY, MANY men in my "generation" who wouldn't be caught dead hugging a gay man. Hopefully we can take a lesson form this younger set. :thumbsup2


That's a shame about that 'generation'. It's awful that some people feel that hugging a gay man is somehow harmful.

I've never had a problem with gay/lesbian relationships. I've had friends, bosses and coworkers who were gay/lesbian and their private life was no issue to me.
 
Maybe in this new age of "enlightenment" we as American's will be able to look at artists as artists and separate their professional life from their private lives.

I sure hope so.

so do I

There have been so many genius performers/artists who are gay that I don't think we give it a second thought.

I can't even imagine how it would be an issue. I sure don't care about it.

That's a shame about that 'generation'. It's awful that some people feel that hugging a gay man is somehow harmful.

I've never had a problem with gay/lesbian relationships. I've had friends, bosses and coworkers who were gay/lesbian and their private life was no issue to me.

Me too. Someone who I grew up with is gay. I always kinda thought she was one we hit middle school age but it never even occurred to me not to like her because she was a lesbian. I still stayed over at her house and :gasp: even slept in the double bed with her. We were friends and that was all that mattered.

The funny thing is the only place I see this being brought up is in the media (printed) and it's almost like they keep bringing it into the mix to try and make it an issue.
 
I am actually liking this year because once Lil goes I am fine with who is left. While Adam is not to my taste I do agree that he has talent so I can appreciate what he does (I just don't like it). Right now I waver between Danny and Kris for my top 2.

You mean there is actually somebody else on here who likes Danny?! It seems everyone on here can't stand him. :confused3

I agree about Adam, I just do not like his style of music.

And I'm probably the only one but I love Anoop too!!!
 
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