American Idol Top 4 Idol Chatter and Idle Chatter

[Tomader]

I was very angry when Danny got the boot but that lasted a day or two. I have since moved on. The auto news has changed my thinking. There are way too many things far worse in the world. Danny not making it is at the bottom of the list. He will survive and do well.

 

[Camicar]

I was really hoping for on Tuesday was that they would give each performer a 15 minute slot so they could do a “mini concert” and give us an idea of the kind of show we'd see if we bought tickets.

What a fabulous idea that would be! A great way to get a sense of who they really are.

But instead we get to witness the level of self-absorption and ego of the judges. It's all about the judges. I hate that this show is more about them having fun (while the contestants have just sung their heart out and are sweating buckets) or stroking their own egos than it is about the actual singers.

Next week, how much time will they waste congratulating Kara on "her" song rather than giving helpful critiques to the contestants?

I really wish they would revamp this show and as part of that, get rid of at least two of the judges. At least two, possibly all of them. For one thing, I'd love to see someone like that Masterclass blogger who really can articulate what good singing is versus not so good singing.

I always enjoy the masterclass lady's analyses.

 

[damo]

I was very angry when Danny got the boot but that lasted a day or two. I have since moved on. The auto news has changed my thinking. There are way too many things far worse in the world. Danny not making it is at the bottom of the list. He will survive and do well.

After reading Danny's exit interview on how he wants to tie his music in with his ministry and produce a kind of theatre type concert with a message, I think 3rd place may be the perfect place for him. He received a ton of publicity and will get noticed by the right people to help in with those goals. 19E probably isn't the right label for him. I don't think they are as interested in inspiring people to go out and be better human beings as they are in making themselves a ton of dough.

And I agree that the news about all of the auto industry closings is very sobering.

 

[Robinrs]

I was very angry when Danny got the boot but that lasted a day or two. I have since moved on. The auto news has changed my thinking. There are way too many things far worse in the world. Danny not making it is at the bottom of the list. He will survive and do well.

Amen, life is too short to get ticked over a music show!

 

[TangaroaTiki]

I’m going to see if I can get software set up on 3 computers for next Tuesday to vote non-stop for Adam in all the time zones.

That's AWESOME I would not have a clue how to do that, so I guess I'll have to stick with the phone

 

[wdwgirl03]

I was very angry when Danny got the boot but that lasted a day or two. I have since moved on. The auto news has changed my thinking. There are way too many things far worse in the world. Danny not making it is at the bottom of the list. He will survive and do well.

I am still a bit bummed (after all I was hoping to get to go to finale viewing party like how they always do that in the contestants' hometowns!!!) but will get over it. And I can look forward to Danny coming home again on the AI tour and hopefully headlining at Summerfest next year if he takes up that offer.

 

[Cmbar]

Exactly! It's a TV show and people are taking it way too seriously. I haven't been on the boards in weeks, so I was surprised to come back and see the turn the thread had taken. I keep coming back because I'm fascinated by the hate people can have for a reality show contestant who's been nothing but a nice guy with a great voice If you don't like his voice then that's fine, don't vote. But all the "Danny's gone, now vote for Kris because he's active in his church like Danny, and a small town boy like Danny, and Adam sucks and his fans are just so mean and we can't let this happen!" posts are hilarious. The fact that people would spend their time voting for someone they don't even like just to keep someone else from winning is very funny. That's the definition of catty in and of itself, but whatever. The extreme bitterness over a reality show is fascinating to me... American Idol knows how to lure people in and never let them go! But the fact that you can't say anything good about Adam without ten people jumping down your throat and saying they now feel like their freedom of speech has been stripped and they're afraid to voice their hatred of Adam... are you kidding?

Like I've said, I like both finalists. However, Kris is just a typical singer/songwriter with a nice but nasal voice, whereas Adam's the total package with an outstanding voice, stage presence and appeal. When the ITunes numbers were released a few weeks ago Adam had 7 of the 10 top spots, and was #1 on the Top 40 charts, beating established artists. Kris is good, but his down-home, singer/songwriter sound is already overdone. He doesn't compare to Jason Mraz, Gavin DeGraw or Eric Hutchinson, and the sound is very American. Like Simon said, Adam has more worldwide appeal. He has a ton of fans around the world, and an interesting sound that's appreciated everywhere. While his glamour rock/power pop sound is big now, there's no one out there just like him so he could do something unique and pave his own way, which is what separates singers and STARS. They'll obviously both get recording contracts regardless of who wins (and Kris very well might with all the anti-Adam backlash), but I know better than to flip out over a reality show. Regardless of who wins, I honestly believe Adam will be far bigger here in the US and around the world than Kris (again, look at the ITunes numbers). It'll be interesting to see what happens.

Wow... Singer/songwriter - you make it sound as if the singer/songwriter is lame.

I have got to respectfully disagree with you. Adam is an actor who happens to be able to sing(very well). He is NOT a musician, he can't arrange songs and most likely he can't write. He is trained in theater and no doubt is good at performing a part (me thinks the yelp at the end of the results show this week may have been a little over acted). Yes he will be a sensation around the world, although I don't think it will be all for his singing. I think it will be for his acting and looks. Kinda like Prince or some of those crazy people you see on the show. These people are all about persona and performing, not about singing a good song. And yes Prince and the others are sucessful, but if you look at them you can see the it is all about "performing" not about singing or writing songs (at least not anything memorable).

But that is not to say that Adam won't be successful. I am sure he will, but it will not be the same sucess as Kris. Kris has longevity. Anyone who knows a "singer/songwriter" knows that these people live music. It is the thing that makes them who they are. That is what I see in Kris. Yes he is a "simple" singer/songwriter but guess what those are the people who write the songs Adam will perform. Kris can interpret a song, play the heck out of it on multiple instruments and can sing it to the heavens. He makes people feel songs, because he feels them when he sings it. Adam will entertain people. Both are valuable.

While I agree that people should vote for who they like and I know most Adam fans are hoping that Danny fans will not vote this week, but the truth is that many people see that Kris is the next best thing to Danny. I suspect that if it had been a Kris/Danny finale you would be voting for Kris even though you think he is just a typical, nasal voice, singer/songwriter! Or at least many Adam fans would because they see Danny as the opposite of Adam.

Lets be honest. Kris and Adam are in the finals because they both have talents. If Danny had been in there that would have been the case also. I actually believe that one of the reasons Kris is there is because Adam fans voted against Danny. So you can be judgemental of people for this, but I believe that is how Danny got booted. After Simon did his plea (which only confirms that Idol knew that Adam's numbers were lower than everyone thinks) most Adam fans probably knew that Adam was in and voted for Kris some to get Danny knocked out. IT may end up backfiring on them though. Because Kris is the "whole package" when you are talking about a singer. He doesn't need to act to be in the final two. He did what he is best at....Sing and play music. These are the people who make it the music industry. Adam will make it in the Broadway/Hollywood industry. I suspect he simply will falter without the stage to perform on. But then again I could be wrong, Kellie Pickler made it and she can't act or sing.

Sorry that is how I see it.

 

[TruBlu]

Amen, life is too short to get ticked over a music show!

Isn't that the truth?

That's why I have enjoyed this thread so much in the past. It was such a wonderful, fun escape from reality. This season it has just been bickery and not much fun. That is why I haven't been here much. I'd rather just lose myself in the show, not argue about it. I watched my mom's hair fall out yesterday. I have enough to make me sad. I like happy stuff!

 

[damo]

First rumour rumblings for producer's choice:

Adam Bleeding Love by Leona Lewis

Rumours are the it is a song tied to another reality show contestant and there was some comment about bleeding heck and bum. Definitely sounds British to me. I think he'd do really well with this rumoured song.

I haven't heard anything about Kris yet. I will post it when I do.

 

[TruBlu]

Kinda like Prince or some of those crazy people you see on the show. These people are all about persona and performing, not about singing a good song. And yes Prince and the others are sucessful, but if you look at them you can see the it is all about "performing" not about singing or writing songs (at least not anything memorable).

You might want to re-think that:

Top Ten Songs Written or Produced by Prince

The legendary Prince has been known for several of his talents: funk-guitar playing, soulful falsetto singing, and micro-detailed song production. One talent that where he is often underrated and seldom-mentioned is his ability to write and produce songs for other artists. Prince has collaborated with a wide variety of yesterday and today's artists to include Mavis Staples, No Doubt, Chuck D. of Public Enemy, Ani Di Franco, Kate Bush and Sheryl Crow. This top 10 list will reflect some of his more chart successful songs that he wrote, produced, or was heavily sampled upon.

10-Jungle Love- The Time /#20 Hot US 100.
09-I Feel For You- Chaka Khan /#14 US Charts
08-Love...Thy Will Be Done- Martika /#10 US Charts
07-Sugar Walls- Sheena Easton/ #9 US Charts
06-Yo Mister- Patti Labelle/ #6 on US RnB Charts
05-Stand Back- Stevie Nicks /#5 US Charts
04-A Love Bizarre- Sheila E. /#3 US Charts
03-Pray- MC Hammer/#2 US Charts
02- Manic Monday- The Bangles- / #2 US Charts
01-Nothing Compares 2 U- Sinead O' Connor /#1 US Charts

http://***************************/article/62337/top_ten_songs_written_or_produced_by.html?cat=33

 

[damo]

Wow... Singer/songwriter - you make it sound as if the singer/songwriter is lame.

I have got to respectfully disagree with you. Adam is an actor who happens to be able to sing(very well). He is NOT a musician, he can't arrange songs and most likely he can't write. He is trained in theater and no doubt is good at performing a part (me thinks the yelp at the end of the results show this week may have been a little over acted). Yes he will be a sensation around the world, although I don't think it will be all for his singing. I think it will be for his acting and looks. Kinda like Prince or some of those crazy people you see on the show. These people are all about persona and performing, not about singing a good song. And yes Prince and the others are sucessful, but if you look at them you can see the it is all about "performing" not about singing or writing songs (at least not anything memorable).

But that is not to say that Adam won't be successful. I am sure he will, but it will not be the same sucess as Kris. Kris has longevity. Anyone who knows a "singer/songwriter" knows that these people live music. It is the thing that makes them who they are. That is what I see in Kris. Yes he is a "simple" singer/songwriter but guess what those are the people who write the songs Adam will perform. Kris can interpret a song, play the heck out of it on multiple instruments and can sing it to the heavens. He makes people feel songs, because he feels them when he sings it. Adam will entertain people. Both are valuable.

While I agree that people should vote for who they like and I know most Adam fans are hoping that Danny fans will not vote this week, but the truth is that many people see that Kris is the next best thing to Danny. I suspect that if it had been a Kris/Danny finale you would be voting for Kris even though you think he is just a typical, nasal voice, singer/songwriter! Or at least many Adam fans would because they see Danny as the opposite of Adam.

Lets be honest. Kris and Adam are in the finals because they both have talents. If Danny had been in there that would have been the case also. I actually believe that one of the reasons Kris is there is because Adam fans voted against Danny. So you can be judgemental of people for this, but I believe that is how Danny got booted. After Simon did his plea (which only confirms that Idol knew that Adam's numbers were lower than everyone thinks) most Adam fans probably knew that Adam was in and voted for Kris some to get Danny knocked out. IT may end up backfiring on them though. Because Kris is the "whole package" when you are talking about a singer. He doesn't need to act to be in the final two. He did what he is best at....Sing and play music. These are the people who make it the music industry. Adam will make it in the Broadway/Hollywood industry. I suspect he simply will falter without the stage to perform on. But then again I could be wrong, Kellie Pickler made it and she can't act or sing.

Sorry that is how I see it.

Adam is also a singer/songwriter. Just because he has theatre training doesn't mean he doesn't also write his own stuff. There are lots of singer/songwriters who don't make it in the singer area. Kara is a perfect example.

Those artists making lots of money right now are those who put on great theatrical concerts. Look at those topping the charts on iTunes. Black Eyed Peas, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry. The stage is selling big time as we can see with Adam interest on iTunes, youtube, and forums.

Adam's download popularity is much, much, much higher than Kris. Those willing to put out the money to purchase their music are purchasing Adam more often than Kris.

I'm not saying that Kris won't sell because I love Kris and think he is very appealing to mainstream. However, Adam's style is really, really big right now.

 

[Nancy]

Since I am not a singer, I find her critiques to be very interesting. She talks about how holding their mouths a certain way or how they stand affecting the way they sing. This all makes so much sense and adds to the understanding of the performances that we see.

As far as Adam last week - he did at one point pull the earpiece out. Apparently he could tell that something was wrong with that back up singer during "Cryin". All I could tell on first listen was that I didn't care for the performance but after reading comments I went back and listened. The back up singer was shrill, too loud and wasn't singing in pace with Adam. You do have to respect him for pulling the earpiece out and trying to save the performance. I have also read (I think on mjsbigblog, not sure) that the earpieces were required because one of the three performers complained about something that they were hearing or not hearing. They had not been used this season until last week. No word on which performer complained.

I like reading her stuff to because I listen as someone who hasn't a clue about music. I just know what I like and don't like when I hear it..I don't get into all the technical aspects of singing, so it has been interesting reading her take on it. I wonder if Adam complained since he is the one that has more experience with all this stuff. I know we all here complain about the background singers and over loud band sometimes. It must be worse for them actually being there.

so, is it a bad thing that I've already programed my cell phone to dial Adam's numbers Tuesday night?

I like Kris, I'm glad he's in the finals, I won't be mad if he wins, but I'd prefer it if Adam wins.

Is there a list that says what their numbers will be on Tuesday..I know the first part stays the same but do you know what his actual numbers will be, or are you guessing based on what order they sing in?

I actually stay here BECAUSE it's a moderated board.. some of the stuff you see, even on YouTube is so rude and disrespectful.

I agree, AI is jumping out of their SKIN because of the controversy!! They're LOVING this!!

Huge ratings...just what they love.

That's AWESOME I would not have a clue how to do that, so I guess I'll have to stick with the phone

I thought Idol had something in place so those automated computer programed votes don't count? I could be wrong but I thought that was mentioned in past seasons.

Isn't that the truth?

That's why I have enjoyed this thread so much in the past. It was such a wonderful, fun escape from reality. This season it has just been bickery and not much fun. That is why I haven't been here much. I'd rather just lose myself in the show, not argue about it. I watched my mom's hair fall out yesterday. I have enough to make me sad. I like happy stuff!

Makes all the "hater" stuff and "my guy is better than your guy" stuff seem rather insignificant.



Happy stuff...I was at a really nice wedding last night and I got to see one of my Godsons for the first time in 4 years and he is all grown up (turning 18 next month) and he is a very nice looking young man.

 

[Robinrs]

Isn't that the truth?

That's why I have enjoyed this thread so much in the past. It was such a wonderful, fun escape from reality. This season it has just been bickery and not much fun. That is why I haven't been here much. I'd rather just lose myself in the show, not argue about it. I watched my mom's hair fall out yesterday. I have enough to make me sad. I like happy stuff!

Wow...

That is a major reality check, huh. Hugs and more happy stuff in your life... and I PROMISE to never be a thorn in your side!

Been there... done that.

 

[TruBlu]

Makes all the "hater" stuff and "my guy is better than your guy" stuff seem rather insignificant.

Wow...

That is a major reality check, huh. Hugs and more happy stuff in your life... and I PROMISE to never be a thorn in your side!

Been there... done that.

Now, don't be THAT nice to me! It makes me CRY!!!!!

 

[Tatania]

I really wish they would revamp this show and as part of that, get rid of at least two of the judges. At least two, possibly all of them. For one thing, I'd love to see someone like that Masterclass blogger who really can articulate what good singing is versus not so good singing.

I always enjoy the masterclass lady's analyses.

That is such a good idea – bring someone in who can give intelligent critiques of the singing - which is why it won’t happen. I’d also been fine with someone like Michael Slezak because he’s funny and gives good critiques as well.

Originally Posted by Cmbar
Kinda like Prince or some of those crazy people you see on the show. These people are all about persona and performing, not about singing a good song. And yes Prince and the others are sucessful, but if you look at them you can see the it is all about "performing" not about singing or writing songs (at least not anything memorable).

Agree with Trublue on this one. Prince is a rock legend – an incredible performer and musician. If Adam has a career even close to this he can be a happy guy. Adam has had a hand in all the arrangements of his songs and Danny said in an exit interview that this made things hard for him because it became the expected thing to do and it was not something Danny was particularly good at.

Originally Posted by TruBlu
Isn't that the truth?

That's why I have enjoyed this thread so much in the past. It was such a wonderful, fun escape from reality. This season it has just been bickery and not much fun. That is why I haven't been here much. I'd rather just lose myself in the show, not argue about it. I watched my mom's hair fall out yesterday. I have enough to make me sad. I like happy stuff!

So sad to hear that Trublue. Hope you stick around though as enjoy your thoughts on the show and tend to agree with you.

BTW, I don’t use Dialidol to vote – though it does work. I use VOIP software as it’s easier to dial and can be used from Canada.

 

[Cmbar]

Adam is also a singer/songwriter. Just because he has theatre training doesn't mean he doesn't also write his own stuff. There are lots of singer/songwriters who don't make it in the singer area. Kara is a perfect example.

Kara is a good example, yet she is making significant money right now and will earn a significant chunk on the Idol song. Sung by Adam or Kris.

Those artists making lots of money right now are those who put on great theatrical concerts. Look at those topping the charts on iTunes. Black Eyed Peas, Lady Gaga, Katy Perry. The stage is selling big time as we can see with Adam interest on iTunes, youtube, and forums.
I agree, and I contend it is because they are theatrical, not necessarily talented in the music industry. I am not saying some of these people are not excellent singers (or songwriters) it is just they have made their careers based on being different or theatrical. It doesn't make them better than the "typical singer/songwriter" in my opinon. It is just I find it more impressive what Kris does every week than what Adam does. They are different but not one better than the other and just because Adam has more downloads as of recent weeks doesn't mean much since Kris has had virtually no pimping AT ALL by anyone - judges, producers, magazines, etc. and still is within a million votes of Adam (keep in mind we don't know which one had the higher total.)

Adam's download popularity is much, much, much higher than Kris. Those willing to put out the money to purchase their music are purchasing Adam more often than Kris.

I'm not saying that Kris won't sell because I love Kris and think he is very appealing to mainstream. However, Adam's style is really, really big right now.

Definitely agree, but it can wan, I just think Kris has longevity whereas Adam is reliant on whether it is a good fad. Remember Elvis was big also but as time went on, he looked stupid trying to keep his act going. I hope that doesn't happen to Adam and he can adapt. But if I were him, I would run with what is good right now. Besides, I don't know but I would bet Adam's real love is acting. Whereas Kris it looks like Music is the thing. He just wants to sing a good song and please but not put on a show. So in that sense I agree that Adam will have the edge in that area. But what do I know since I fast forward and can't stand to watch all those names you mentioned above!

 

[Bluestars]

I think that Adam has a better voice and is a better performer, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kris won. I think Kris appeals to the main stream, whereas Adam is very unique.

I can't wait for the final show because I am tired about arguing with my son, who cannot stand Adam. I do think that it may be harder for people who dislike Adam to acknowledge that he is talented, than it is for people who like Adam to acknowledge that Kris is talented. There is a kind of love/hate vibe going on with Adam. It seems like the people who dislike him, are so turned off that they REALLY dislike him. That is my perception anyway.

At this point it really doesn't matter who wins. I think Kris and Adam will both have success in their own ways. They are both talented and have a ton of fans. I hope they both have wonderful careers. Danny too.

 

[Cmbar]

Agree with Trublue on this one. Prince is a rock legend – an incredible performer and musician. If Adam has a career even close to this he can be a happy guy. Adam has had a hand in all the arrangements of his songs and Danny said in an exit interview that this made things hard for him because it became the expected thing to do and it was not something Danny was particularly good at.

Agreed! Prince is legend, but not many people think of him above that persona he gave out. I don't think people think of him as a musician. He did dance well though. I hope Adam is this successful, but I don't think it will happen. Wow I would love to see that exit interview with Danny. Do you remember where you saw that? I remember him saying that the show has turned into "what can you do different or fresh with that song" rather than how good you can sing. I think this is a bad turn for the show unless they let the contestants play their own music. They limit them with what they can sing and then tell them they should change it and then for some contestants it is "wow you made that new" and then for others they say "you shouldn't have changed the melody". It is a joke how seriously biased the judges are. Paula was all over Danny, Simon for Adam. Kara kicked Kris this past week with his Apologize song, yet she picked it! The judges are a wreck. They used to be somewhat interesting now it is hard to see them being fair. They critiue them so differently!

 

[Cmbar]

I think that Adam has a better voice and is a better performer, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kris won. I think Kris appeals to the main stream, whereas Adam is very unique.

I can't wait for the final show because I am tired about arguing with my son, who cannot stand Adam. I do think that it may be harder for people who dislike Adam to acknowledge that he is talented, than it is for people who like Adam to acknowledge that Kris is talented. There is a kind of love/hate vibe going on with Adam. It seems like the people who dislike him, are so turned off that they REALLY dislike him. That is my perception anyway.

At this point it really doesn't matter who wins. I think Kris and Adam will both have success in their own ways. They are both talented and have a ton of fans. I hope they both have wonderful careers. Danny too.

I agree about the love/hate Adam thing. I really, really don't like his screaming, but I would never say the boy can't sing. That is just dumb. I would say the same for Danny. He was despised by many, many Adam lovers. They disliked him terribly and to say that boy couldn't sing as well or better than Adam is just silly. They both could sing the heck out of a song. I just prefer the vibe Kris sends. Plus he is a sweet and humble as they come, so I would like to see him win because I root for the underdogs. But either way who ever wins Idol this year will be deservant of it! Well deserve isn't the right word, but we can say that America got it right because the top three will all be successful!

 

[PammyK]

nevermind...its not worth the effort