Am I the only one without a "budget"?

Except that most people don't make what she does and can't really relate to the money figures she's sharing with everyone. If I was in that situation, I'd certainly live it up a bit while saving too of course.

But HOW would you "live it up?" A bigger house, a better car, more frequent/ lavish vacations, expensive outings, designer clothes... Americans have the attitude that a certain amount of money earned should equate to a certain lifestyle. That's how people get into financial trouble. That's how so many big lottery winners end up broke.
 
I only know two other families (among my friends and family) who live by a strict budget. I think it's few and far between who are accounting for every expenditure.
In our case, we budget because we have to in order to keep us afloat. It's as simple as that. Nearly every penny of our income is accounted for in some way. Our "discretionary spending" for a month is whatever is left over and usually amounts to $200 or less. We can either spend that on frivolous stuff or save it for some of the bigger items we would like to have or a nicer vacation every couple years.
Last year, despite having a budget, we came out -$2,000 at years end (the overage was taken from an exhisting emergency fund so the money was there, but it still looked just awful on paper) . My income dropped (not something we planned for) and our medical bills and auto repair expenses were much higher than our normal budget would cover. So even with a budget, life can get in the way.
 
But HOW would you "live it up?" A bigger house, a better car, more frequent/ lavish vacations, expensive outings, designer clothes... Americans have the attitude that a certain amount of money earned should equate to a certain lifestyle. That's how people get into financial trouble. That's how so many big lottery winners end up broke.

Not really. Lottery winners go broke because they spend all their money. People get into trouble wanting "BIGGER BETTER" etc and then buying it when they don't have the money.

If you are saving a healthy percentage for retirement, have an emergency fund, paying for you kids college if you choose to, paying for your housing and all your other obligations... then there's absolutely nothing wrong at all with spending what is left over on things that give you satisfaction.

If piling up your money in a bank is what makes you happy, there's nothing wrong with that either. But insisting that somebody who is making large sums is obligated to live off of a tiny percentage of that with no goal for what they're putting in the bank is false.
 
Thanks for all of the great responses--unfortunately way too many for me to respond to individually. I found many posts that I can relate to and appreciate all of the insight. I did find one comment that sums things up and I think differentiates those that budget from those that don't:

"Whether your salary is big or small, most tend to spend till it is gone"

I in no way have that mentality, so bottom line, that is why I don't need a budget. I didn't purchase a home based on how big of a mortgage I could qualify for. I don't purchase vehicles based on how much the monthly payment is. I don't go on deluxe vacations just because the money is in the bank. I don't buy steak and lobster just because I can spend whatever I please at the grocery store. I weigh every expenditure based on its merit NOT based on how much money I have available.

However, I have recently been thinking about finding ways to spend more money!:rotfl2: I was looking at some information about college financial aid and noted that your savings is a big factor in what you are expected to contribute. I was venting to a coworker that I really felt it was unfair that someone with identical income, that spent every cent that they made, would be rewarded with aid, and I would be expected to spend my savings. She did not commiserate with me, but instead commented "maybe you should spend more."

She is probably right! It seems that just as some have a problem controlling their spending, others control it too much maybe?:confused3
 

But HOW would you "live it up?" A bigger house, a better car, more frequent/ lavish vacations, expensive outings, designer clothes... Americans have the attitude that a certain amount of money earned should equate to a certain lifestyle. That's how people get into financial trouble. That's how so many big lottery winners end up broke.

You are lumping everyone that has a big house and a nice car into one category, you are wrong and judgmental and what we call in my family, poverty proud. That doesn't mean you live in poverty, it means that no matter what, if someone has a nice anything, they must be in debt. Sounds a little jealous to me. News flash, not everyone that has nice things, is broke and living paycheck to paycheck. So sorry to disappoint you.
 
I don't have a budget either. I know what our income is and our expenses. We live well below our means and have a good amount of available cash plus a variety of investments. We're very fortunate plus we've made some good choices for our family.
 
You have twice as much in just discretionary income than most people have for everything including paying the bills. You don't have to budget. You just want to.

You have enough to take 2 trips per month to Disney. There isn't an electronic out there in the world that you couldn't just go and buy. If you make that kind of money, why would you think that you have to budget? Budgeting is a strict outlay of how to spend every penny of your money. If you have $4k+ after saving a ton and paying all bills, what do you have to budget for? I find it would be impossible to budget with that kind of extra money. If you want the latest and greatest iPad, you certainly don't have to set money aside for it when you have 15 times the cost of one sitting around just in 1 month.


Seems to me that people either budget because they are trying to pay off debt, or they have say a $3000 income and are trying to figure out what to do with their $300 extra after bills. $300 extra doesn't allow you to just go out and buy whatever you want, you have to save up that $300 over a period of time to pay for big ticket items.

With all due respect, you've got the concept of "budgeting" all wrong. A "budget" is so often sort of a "bad word"....kind of the way that "diet" gets a bad rap. You're thinking about "money" all wrong.

A budget is simply telling your money where to go based on a set of financial goals. And you have no idea what my financial goals are and why my DH and I set our budget the way that we do.

And really, I *do* understand that we earn more than the average American. I think we're in the top 2% or so of earners. But trust me, there are others who are lurking or participating in this thread who make more than we do....trust me. And yes, many make less. But I don't throw out our annual income to brag....I really don't care what anyone thinks of me. I do so because I think it may enlighten some folks....show them that even some of us who do earn a fair amount are saving like crazy.

And here's why we're doing that.

Right now, the way DH and I work, we manage to get away for one really great 2 week vacation...we try for Europe each year, and we splurge...for sure. This year, we're going to France for two weeks and we'll spend 16K. Keep in mind though, that's only 11,250 Euro....so, our dollar doesn't go as far as it used to across the pond. Other than that, we try for a couple of short weekend trips, but that's it. Besides that....we're working our butts off.

But we have goals...and one of those goals is to retire early, or at least cut back significantly on the amount of hours we work....and to travel more. Ideally, we'd like to be going at about 1/2 speed by our early 50s (we're 43 and 42), and fully retire at age 60.

I've shared that right now we're living quite comfortably on 85K a year. But we have *no* debt. No mortgage, nothing. And so our expenses are likely to go *up* when we retire.

Why? Well, for one, like many others, we won't lose "the mortgage payment" when we retire as many Americans do as they pay off the house close to retirement. That's already done. Commuting costs.....no more work wardrobe? Nope, DH telecommutes and works in shorts and t-shirts. I operate my own business and work in jeans/shorts, t-shirts and sneakers.

If we do cut back on work in our early 50s we're going to need to plan to carry our own health insurance....and I sure as heck don't see those premiums going down....do you? And finally, once we do slow down....we're going to want to travel *more*....because we'll have more free time.

Once we do hit our mid 60s....do you think we're going to get anything close to what we've been promised for Social Security....I don't. And that's not even what really concerns me....what really concerns me is the means testing that will take place for Medicare premiums for people in our tax bracket. We're preparing for that as well.

So, we make 312K, we've trained ourselves to live comfortably on 85K by saving and investing so much, but we're planning on needing more like 120-125K per year in retirement so that we can enjoy ourselves and travel more.

So, what kind of nest egg will we need to support that kind of lifestyle? A *big* one. Consider that for every one million dollars in your nest egg, you can comfortably count on that throwing off about 40-50K per year in income without fear of running out of money.

Also consider that two millions dollars in a nest egg today will *spend* more like *one* million dollars 25 years from now thanks to inflation. So, that's a factor as well. So, the nest egg number goes up.

So, having said all of that....to come close to the kind of retirement that DH and I envision, we'll need 4-5 million dollars (roughly)....by the time we completely stop working. Our goal is to cut back to 1/2 time in our early 50s, travel more and likely save less....but not touch the nest egg until we completely stop working.

So again, with all due respect....a budget is simply a plan where one tells their money where to go based on a set of financial goals.

And so yes, even making a bit over 300K a year, we absolutely live our lives based on a carefully planned and executed budget.
 
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With all due respect, you've got the concept of "budgeting" all wrong. A "budget" is so often sort of a "bad word"....kind of the way that "diet" gets a bad rap. You're thinking about "money" all wrong.

A budget is simply telling your money where to go based on a set of financial goals. And you have no idea what my financial goals are and why my DH and I set our budget the way that we do.

And really, I *do* understand that we earn more than the average American. I think we're in the top 2% or so of earners. But trust me, there are others who are lurking or participating in this thread who make more than we do....trust me. And yes, many make less. But I don't throw out our annual income to brag....I really don't care what anyone thinks of me. I do so because I think it may enlighten some folks....show them that even some of us who do earn a fair amount are saving like crazy.

And here's why we're doing that.

Right now, the way DH and I work, we manage to get away for one really great 2 week vacation...we try for Europe each year, and we splurge...for sure. This year, we're going to France for two weeks and we'll spend 16K. Keep in mind though, that's only 11,250 Euro....so, our dollar doesn't go as far as it used to across the pond. Other than that, we try for a couple of short weekend trips, but that's it. Besides that....we're working our butts off.

But we have goals...and one of those goals is to retire early, or at least cut back significantly on the amount of hours we work....and to travel more. Ideally, we'd like to be going at about 1/2 speed by our early 50s (we're 43 and 42), and fully retire at age 60.

I've shared that right now we're living quite comfortably on 85K a year. But we have *no* debt. No mortgage, nothing. And so our expenses are likely to go *up* when we retire.

Why? Well, for one, like many others, we won't lose "the mortgage payment" when we retire as many Americans do as they pay off the house close to retirement. That's already done. Commuting costs.....no more work wardrobe? Nope, DH telecommutes and works in shorts and t-shirts. I operate my own business and work in jeans/shorts, t-shirts and sneakers.

If we do cut back on work in our early 50s we're going to need to plan to carry our own health insurance....and I sure as heck don't see those premiums going down....do you? And finally, once we do slow down....we're going to want to travel *more*....because we'll have more free time.

Once we do hit our mid 60s....do you think we're going to get anything close to what we've been promised for Social Security....I don't. And that's not even what really concerns me....what really concerns me is the means testing that will take place for Medicare premiums for people in our tax bracket. We're preparing for that as well.

So, we make 312K, we've trained ourselves to live comfortably on 85K by saving and investing so much, but we're planning on needing more like 120-125K per year in retirement so that we can enjoy ourselves and travel more.

So, what kind of nest egg will we need to support that kind of lifestyle? A *big* one. Consider that for every one million dollars in your nest egg, you can comfortably count on that throwing off about 40-50K per year in income without fear of running out of money.

Also consider that two millions dollars in a nest egg today will *spend* more like *one* million dollars 25 years from now thanks to inflation. So, that's a factor as well. So, the nest egg number goes up.

So, having said all of that....to come close to the kind of retirement that DH and I envision, we'll need 4-5 million dollars (roughly)....by the time we completely stop working. Our goal is to cut back to 1/2 time in our early 50s, travel more and likely save less....but not touch the nest egg until we completely stop working.

So again, with all due respect....a budget is simply a plan where one tells their money where to go based on a set of financial goals.

And so yes, even making a bit over 300K a year, we absolutely live our lives based on a carefully planned and executed budget.

What you're failing to mention (which you've posted about briefly in the past) if you have no debt due to a substantial inheritance.

So you and your DH are definitely the exception.

For those in the NYC area, dvcgirl claims to make $100,000+ a year walking dogs.

So if any of you are looking for some extra income...:rolleyes1
 
What are you saving for? Retirement? You would have that in 15 years at your saving rate and expenses.

Like our financial planner friend says. If you are saving way above your needs than you are not enjoying life enough now. There is a balance to everyging in life, including savings.

We don't make what you do and thus to not save what you do either. Most in the US don't even earn in pre-tax money what you save in after tax money.

Do you think the person who dies with the most money wins?:confused3

We don't buy whatever we want but we also help others with our extra money and treat ourselves today too.

Yes, I'm trying to die with the most money......I should catch up with Bill Gates in the year 2378 or so....if he pulls all of his money out of investments and stuffs it in a cave. ;)

We have no debt and $4,500 a month in discretionary income. How much money do two people need?

I live in a 500K house that is modest....but nice. We drive older cars because there's nothing wrong with them. We've had BMWs....we had the McMansion. That was ten years ago....and it was a phase...just did nothing for us. And most of our neighbors in that old neighborhood were living beyond their means and saving nothing.....really.

I have an iPad, iPhone....a Macbook Air. I could care less about clothes or jewelry. I actually laughed out loud when I read that Newt Gingrich had a net worth of 2 million dollars and spent 500K at Tiffany's. :rotfl2: He should read the book "The Millionaire Next Door".....get an idea how real millionaires actually live.

DH has some toys too...some nice guitars....a couple of nice cameras. But the older we get, the more we're about experiences and less about "stuff". It doesn't make you happy.

And I'd like to leave a nice chunk of change to my niece and nephews when I pass. And so no, I can't take it with me, but I can sure as heck leave it them.
 
I am very money conscious but I don't have a "budget". I have all my auto savings/investing happen and I know what my monthly bills are so anything left is open. I end up having months worth of expenses left over in my checking acct so I have a large cushion.
 
What you're failing to mention (which you've posted about briefly in the past) if you have no debt due to a substantial inheritance.

So you and your DH are definitely the exception.

For those in the NYC area, dvcgirl claims to make $100,000+ a year walking dogs.

So if any of you are looking for some extra income...:rolleyes1

Um, wrong. We've never inherited a penny.

DH was moving his way up as a software developer in a major tech company in the mid to late 90s and we came into substantial money thanks to stock options.

And yes, I own and operate a dog-walking/pet sitting company and earn $100,000 a year. I could care less whether you believe that or not. Really and truly.

Thanks for the recap though....your envy shines through :).

I've been posting on this board for over ten years....and have always been truthful about my life and experiences. And I've offered a lot of financial advice to people who have asked over the years.

If you don't want to read what I write, simply block me. But please don't slam me unnecessarily because you're unhappy with your own situation.
 
Um, wrong. We've never inherited a penny.

DH was moving his way up as a software developer in a major tech company in the mid to late 90s and we came into substantial money thanks to stock options.

And yes, I own and operate a dog-walking/pet sitting company and earn $100,000 a year. I could care less whether you believe that or not. Really and truly.

Thanks for the recap though....your envy shines through :).

I've been posting on this board for over ten years....and have always been truthful about my life and experiences. And I've offered a lot of financial advice to people who have asked over the years.

If you don't want to read what I write, simply block me. But please don't slam me unnecessarily because you're unhappy with your own situation.

Not jealous at all. ;) I'm not uhappy in the least. Like I said earlier in the thread, we're in great financial shape. :goodvibes

And thanks for the correction on how you came into your money. I got my posters confused. :)
 
With all due respect, you've got the concept of "budgeting" all wrong. A "budget" is so often sort of a "bad word"....kind of the way that "diet" gets a bad rap. You're thinking about "money" all wrong.

A budget is simply telling your money where to go based on a set of financial goals. And you have no idea what my financial goals are and why my DH and I set our budget the way that we do.

And really, I *do* understand that we earn more than the average American. I think we're in the top 2% or so of earners. But trust me, there are others who are lurking or participating in this thread who make more than we do....trust me. And yes, many make less. But I don't throw out our annual income to brag....I really don't care what anyone thinks of me. I do so because I think it may enlighten some folks....show them that even some of us who do earn a fair amount are saving like crazy.

And here's why we're doing that.

Right now, the way DH and I work, we manage to get away for one really great 2 week vacation...we try for Europe each year, and we splurge...for sure. This year, we're going to France for two weeks and we'll spend 16K. Keep in mind though, that's only 11,250 Euro....so, our dollar doesn't go as far as it used to across the pond. Other than that, we try for a couple of short weekend trips, but that's it. Besides that....we're working our butts off.

But we have goals...and one of those goals is to retire early, or at least cut back significantly on the amount of hours we work....and to travel more. Ideally, we'd like to be going at about 1/2 speed by our early 50s (we're 43 and 42), and fully retire at age 60.

I've shared that right now we're living quite comfortably on 85K a year. But we have *no* debt. No mortgage, nothing. And so our expenses are likely to go *up* when we retire.

Why? Well, for one, like many others, we won't lose "the mortgage payment" when we retire as many Americans do as they pay off the house close to retirement. That's already done. Commuting costs.....no more work wardrobe? Nope, DH telecommutes and works in shorts and t-shirts. I operate my own business and work in jeans/shorts, t-shirts and sneakers.

If we do cut back on work in our early 50s we're going to need to plan to carry our own health insurance....and I sure as heck don't see those premiums going down....do you? And finally, once we do slow down....we're going to want to travel *more*....because we'll have more free time.

Once we do hit our mid 60s....do you think we're going to get anything close to what we've been promised for Social Security....I don't. And that's not even what really concerns me....what really concerns me is the means testing that will take place for Medicare premiums for people in our tax bracket. We're preparing for that as well.

So, we make 312K, we've trained ourselves to live comfortably on 85K by saving and investing so much, but we're planning on needing more like 120-125K per year in retirement so that we can enjoy ourselves and travel more.

So, what kind of nest egg will we need to support that kind of lifestyle? A *big* one. Consider that for every one million dollars in your nest egg, you can comfortably count on that throwing off about 40-50K per year in income without fear of running out of money.

Also consider that two millions dollars in a nest egg today will *spend* more like *one* million dollars 25 years from now thanks to inflation. So, that's a factor as well. So, the nest egg number goes up.

So, having said all of that....to come close to the kind of retirement that DH and I envision, we'll need 4-5 million dollars (roughly)....by the time we completely stop working. Our goal is to cut back to 1/2 time in our early 50s, travel more and likely save less....but not touch the nest egg until we completely stop working.

So again, with all due respect....a budget is simply a plan where one tells their money where to go based on a set of financial goals.

And so yes, even making a bit over 300K a year, we absolutely live our lives based on a carefully planned and executed budget.

I just wanted to say I am in awe of your financial awareness, and your self-discipline.....even with a salary as large as yours! :goodvibes

My DH and I are 43 and 41....and if I could do one thing over again, It would have been to start saving at a younger age.....but at that time, we where living and just trying to make ends meet as many do paycheque to paycheque....I didn't get a job until just recently.

I've been to school twice in the last 10 yrs, to try and get some kind of "feasible" career path for myself....I just graduated last yr. with my administration diploma, and finally now have secured a PT adminsitrative job with the govt. I am finally on Permanent status and am beginning to accumulate a small pension. Being 41, though I don't have many more work years left....probably 20-25 at most.

My hubby and I have 2 teen boys, 1 just graduated HS and is unsure yet what he wants to do with his life. We have a small amount saved to help him through a couple yrs. of college. His brother is 15, so 3 more years until he graduates. I think children get more expensive as they get older!!! it seems that way, anyway. My PT job is a blessing, I am so lucky I was the one chosen from a pool of over 100 applicants! Being a govt. job, and those being hard to come by, I am so lucky to have gotten this opportunity (Canadian Govt. ) I would have loved full time hours, but at this point I am happy to take what they offered me. I am now finished my probation and am fully permanent, and secure (well, as secure as can be unless there are massive govt. layoffs!)...In any event, I am wishing we had more income to invest earlier....but we where too focused on day to day life, with a one income household and not much left over.

Now that we make an extra $1000.00 per month with me working (take home), I am trying to best put that money to use but am finding it so hard to create a budget to follow. It seems like money is going out left, right and center......and I feel like sometimes, I have left it too late to secure our retirement on top of all the other things we need to pay off (Mortgage, Large Tax bill every yr. since my husband retired and took on a second career (due to not enough tax coming off his military pension).....and just the cost of living. I know I am beginning to ramble, but I just feel a little overwhelmed when I think of trying to save money....it always seems like something comes up, be it the tax bill, Christmas, Car Insurance bi-yearly, House Insurance, rising utility bills, I just don't know where to start sometimes! I am thinking perhaps my first point of attack should be trying to make 1 extra pmt. per yr. on my house to try and pay down the mortgage quicker. We are in a position of having JUST purchased a home, so we have a 30 yr. mortgage that I would love to get down before I am 60! I guess what I am most concerned about is: I hope I am not too late to make a secure future for my husband and myself! I am anxiously awaing the new Wealthy Barber book to come out this fall, as I could use some good advice on a subject that seems so very overwhelming!
Thanks so much for listening to me ramble, I just had to say how very impressed I am with your attitude and your goal-setting/achieving!! You are inspiring.
~ Marie :flower3:
 
Not jealous at all. ;) I'm not uhappy in the least. Like I said earlier in the thread, we're in great financial shape. :goodvibes

And thanks for the correction on how you came into your money. I got my posters confused. :)

Yes, my DH "came into his money".....by working incredibly hard. Did we have good timing....yes. Have I said that in about a zillion threads. Yes. Keep on searching my old posts....you'll find that in there too.

DH "came into his money"...the same way I "come into my 100K a year income" by working my butt off. Did you ever stop to think that incomes are a bit higher in parts of NJ than they are in WI? Or are you accusing me of making up my income? Because that's sure what your little eye-rolling accusation sounded like to me.

You did get your posters confused. Maybe if you'd been around for more than 2 years and not the *10* that I've been here....that wouldn't be the case. Geez...

Thanks for reminding me why I don't bother posting as much as I used to around here.

It's a waste of my time and effort.
 
Yes, my DH "came into his money".....by working incredibly hard. Did we have good timing....yes. Have I said that in about a zillion threads. Yes. Keep on searching my old posts....you'll find that in there too.

DH "came into his money"...the same way I "come into my 100K a year income" by working my butt off. Did you ever stop to think that incomes are a bit higher in parts of NJ than they are in WI? Or are you accusing me of making up my income? Because that's sure what your little eye-rolling accusation sounded like to me.

You did get your posters confused. Maybe if you'd been around for more than 2 years and not the *10* that I've been here....that wouldn't be the case. Geez...

Thanks for reminding me why I don't bother posting as much as I used to around here.

It's a waste of my time and effort.

I didn't have to search any old threads. You post the same thing over and over, which is easy enough to remember. :rotfl:

I've been around much longer than 2 years. ;)
 
We don't have a budget either. Mrs. Tex and I are just skinflints by nature, although her being out of work for over a year certainly put a dent into things that we're still slowly hammering out. But we don't use a budget, because you can't predict unforeseen expenses like exploding water heaters, subsiding foundations, or B.O.O.P. (look it up.)

dvcgirl, I'm fully aware of different salaries in different areas. Here in Austin, our last housing boom was fueled by people moving in from California, with California salaries, encountering central Texas housing prices. They came from a million dollar, two bedroom house, and found 200K houses with four bedrooms and a pool. (Which promptly tripled in price.)
 
I don't really budget either. Honestly as long as your not living/swimming/sinking in debt - I think your fine! I just spend less than I make and there you go, that's my budget. I do personally know people who will make a penny squeal and they have lived like that for years. That friend WILL and HAS cried if she went over her allotted budget for groceries. I just wouldn't want that much pressure on myself and plus I just love going to the store and getting to buy what I want or need and as long as the credit card gets fully paid at the end. Its alright:goodvibes
 
We don't budget in the sense that we have X amount of money to spend on X, we just spend whatever for most everything. But I know how much we spend on it at the end of the money because I put all of our stuff in Mint.com :) That was just the last few months though, prior to that, nothing. But I'm super frugal so it wasn't like we were out blowing tons of money anyway.
 
Although I don't usually post I have spent a lot of time reading this board because I like finding money saving ideas. I am intrigued by all of the discussions on strict budgets, down to the penny spending tracking, and even people following "methods". Recently a friend mentioned something about her grocery budget, and I said that we don't budget and she seemed truly confused. So, I have been wondering....am I really so unusual in my money habits? I have no budget and I track nothing--I frankly couldn't tell you what I spend on groceries or anything else. I am just naturally thrifty(some might say "cheap") and we spend less than we make. Maybe being "cheap" is the best budget you can have?:rotfl2:
You are probably like me. I decided to take this vacation this year to DIsney and I know my standard method of spending stuff. Therefor, Disney is within my means without me having to actually sit down and budget this that and the other. I'll get there and spend the same way I would anywhere else. Which is to say, I am conservative wiith money. It is just natural for me.
 
We do not budget either. I try to keep it below $140/wk but today I spent a little less. Most weeks I spend more. We refuse to be a slave to every penny. We make more than we spend but after having to watch every penny when our boys were small and I wasn't working, now that I do and the boys are on their own, I refuse to sweat every penny. Life's too short.

We also have very good incomes and we need it where we live, but we are in our 50's and have spent a lot of years getting here.
 














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