Am I the only one who doesn't mind the internal buses?

[ftwildernessguy]

As for the children, do you really let your children play in the streets at home? Why would you in a crowded camp ground when there are playgrounds provided and ample space at the campsites? Common sense is all that is really needed. When you expect someone else to be responsible for your safety, you are really taking your chances and truly being irresponsible.

When you include my quote in your response, and in your response say "you", it is apparent you are directing your response to me. I am in no way belittling my personal responsibilty for my own safety, but I wonder if you may be belittling your responsibility to the safety of others. Am I narcissistic? Perhaps. I have known few officers of my rank who weren't. But I look out for the men and women under me, and wouldn't you want that quality in a leader if your son or daughter were in the armed forces right now?

 

[magicforever]

I guess if you could find out a way to walk clockwise in these areas, everything would be fine!

 

[Minnie's Mate]

When you include my quote in your response, and in your response say "you", it is apparent you are directing your response to me.

Sorry, my entire response was not directed to you, only the first paragraph. The last paragraph of that post was generic and directed at all. I should have made that a little more clear but I thought it would be understood.

But I look out for the men and women under me, and wouldn't you want that quality in a leader if your son or daughter were in the armed forces right now?

Yes I would, I never called into question your qualities as a leader. But you must remember, this is not the battlefield, this is a recreational campground full of civilians not soldiers.

 

[Escape Artist]

...We are talking about an environement of people who will never see each other again, that no longer practice manners...

And therein lies the problem. People feel like they don't need to follow the rules and don't need to use manners, 'cause, hey, nobody else is, and we'll never see these people again, and we're on vacation, yee ha!

Rather than letting these be excuses for bad behavior on anyone's part, let's all be part of the solution and not part of the problem. I applaud Ft. Wilderness Guy for standing up for his ideals and for reporting the bad apples. I hope to follow his example and help keep the place nicer for all of us, and especially for the safety of our kids.

Sue in TX

 

[bobbiwoz]

I don't mind the internal buses, but DH does, which is why we haven't stayed in FW in a long time. I like FW so much, and we try to go to the Campfire. I always check the movie schedule. I've never seen Lilo and Stitch, maybe this trip we will.

Bobbi

 

[Gillian]

My kids were not playing in the street.

Specifically, I was talking about walking from 1400 loop to the main pool. From our campsite we walked out the side of it, around the comfort stations right next to us, and through the campfire/movie area (gravel). Then we were on an area that had a paved path. Is this a "road" for golf carts? Is it for bikes? Is it NOT for people? Who knows? But we walked on it, and I felt people with golf carts here were not watching out for us, although we tried to stay out of their way.

BTW, we could have walked on the grass (and did) but this path was more like a sidewalk than a road, and we have taught our kids not to walk on peoples' lawns, so what can you do?

 

[Minnie's Mate]

...Rather than letting these be excuses for bad behavior on anyone's part, let's all be part of the solution and not part of the problem. I applaud Ft. Wilderness Guy for standing up for his ideals and for reporting the bad apples. I hope to follow his example and help keep the place nicer for all of us, and especially for the safety of our kids.

Sue in TX

I agree with you 100% and observe the rules at all times. But unfortunately, many do not.

My kids were not playing in the street.

Specifically, I was talking about walking from 1400 loop to the main pool. From our campsite we walked out the side of it, around the comfort stations right next to us, and through the campfire/movie area (gravel). Then we were on an area that had a paved path. Is this a "road" for golf carts? Is it for bikes? Is it NOT for people? Who knows? But we walked on it, and I felt people with golf carts here were not watching out for us, although we tried to stay out of their way.

BTW, we could have walked on the grass (and did) but this path was more like a sidewalk than a road, and we have taught our kids not to walk on peoples' lawns, so what can you do?

I am unfamiliar with that area of Ft. Wilderness. I certainly understand your delima if I understand the situation you described. Golf carts, IMHO, should only be where you would drive cars, no where else that I can think of. Maybe there are and I don't know about them since I haven't driven one at FW. I don't know if this is an area that is approved for golf carts or not. From your description, it probably is a multi-use trail and is acceptable for golf carts to use it. This does not mean they should be plowing over pedestrians. But it is like I said, "a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel" and obviously by the disdain for golf carts in this thread that has happened here.

Please don't think that I have at any time condoned the poor behavior that has been described on this thread; I do not. However, in today's society I so often see people who think that they shouldn't have to take any responsibility for their own actions. An attorney friend of mine told me of a man who wanted to take the easy way of triming his hedge so he mounted his push type lawn mower to two 2X4 to the bottom and lifted the mower up by these 2X4's to "mow his hedge". The mower slipped and cut off some of his fingers so he sued the mower manufacturer and won. He held the mower manufacturer responsible for this accident even though he was at fault and because he did something stupid. But he refused to take resposibility for his actions.

If you walk down the street in an part of town known to have muggers, do you keep an eye out for dangerous looking characters that might want to do harm to you or do you walk down the sidewalk cavalierly engrossed in a cell phone conversation? If you are smart, you keep your eyes peeled for dangerous situations. So why, when you know there are golf carts present, would you not keep an eye out for golf carts running around at Ft. Wilderness? This is my only point. You know they are there, look out for them. Be mindful of your surroundings and look out for yourself. As has been pointed out many times on this thread by others and by me, no one else is going to look out for you so you'd better do it yourself.

 

[ftwildernessguy]

How interesting that when I connect my concern with the safety of others with my military experience I am accused of comparing FW with a battlefield, which I did not. However, MinniesMate has compared driving a golf cart at FW with commuting in Atlanta and walking around FW with walking in a questionable part of town inhabited by muggers.

 

[stillh2o]

Just back from FW been watching this post scents we got to FW on Friday. Saturday I thought I would test the system to meet friends for dinner it took 1hr 42min to go from FW to Dolphin hotel to me that sucks. I was sitting talk to friend on my golf cart when someone came out of their RV to tell me that my dog who was sitting between my wife and I not making a noise was against the rules. I find it funny if that my 14 pound Dog sitting on my private cart runes your vacation you need couch time not a vacation.

 

[Minnie's Mate]

How interesting that when I connect my concern with the safety of others with my military experience I am accused of comparing FW with a battlefield, which I did not. However, MinniesMate has compared driving a golf cart at FW with commuting in Atlanta and walking around FW with walking in a questionable part of town inhabited by muggers.

Other than your attempt to perpetuate an argument that I have been trying to avoid, I fail to see the connection. You talk about your prior responsibilities during your career in the military, which no one at FW is a part of, and I talk about people at FW responding to their current responsibilities.

 

[stillh2o]

Minnie's Mate
I like you. Those Rule are Rule Kill me.

 

[chipscamping buddy]

Just back from FW been watching this post scents we got to FW on Friday. Saturday I thought I would test the system to meet friends for dinner it took 1hr 42min to go from FW to Dolphin hotel to me that sucks. I was sitting talk to friend on my golf cart when someone came out of their RV to tell me that my dog who was sitting between my wife and I not making a noise was against the rules. I find it funny if that my 14 pound Dog sitting on my private cart runes your vacation you need couch time not a vacation.

That is a ridiculous amount of time to travel, but how much of that is due to waiting for an internal bus and how much is that the external buses have been getting slower. (plus there isn't a good way to get to the Dolphin)

I usually don't have too much problem with the internal buses. Occassionally they get bunched up and you get them too close so some waits can be long, but they usually delay at one end or the other to spread out. The external buses on th eother hand, get delayed a lot and no matter where I stay on property I end up waiting 20+ minutes.

 

[dizneydiva2005]

Everytime a post comes up mentioning FW Transportation, people start bashing the internal buses.

People go on and on about "having to have" a golf cart (Which costs more per day than my site!)


I happen to think the internal buses run very efficiently and are extremely convienient. We take them to the pools, the settlement, the outpost, and to visit our friends in other loops. Never had to wait more than 5 minutes for a bus to come by.

I love the busses!!! I like having a golf cart better but still the busses are fun!!!

 

[TuckandStuiesMom]

Count me in with the Thumbs Up Yay-sayers re:FW Bus System! A couple years ago, I was staying in one of the cabins with my then 11 and 12 YO sons and their 11 YO buddy. Difficult age -- they want/need some autonomy -- yet really are not ready for the world at large.
The FW bus system was perfect -- they could go to the pool, wading beach, or the store on their own & so felt like real big-shots. They had a blast!

 

[John VN]

Just back from FW been watching this post scents we got to FW on Friday. Saturday I thought I would test the system to meet friends for dinner it took 1hr 42min to go from FW to Dolphin hotel to me that sucks. I was sitting talk to friend on my golf cart when someone came out of their RV to tell me that my dog who was sitting between my wife and I not making a noise was against the rules. I find it funny if that my 14 pound Dog sitting on my private cart runes your vacation you need couch time not a vacation.

Everytime I am at FW and bike the loops, I see a sign at the exit of every pet loop about no pets beyond this point. I also have read in the papers we get during check-in regarding no pets in golf carts. I guess there are some people visiting FW for whom these rules do not apply. They must be very special people.

 

[stillh2o]

I guest I look at life different then some people. If something does not effect my vacation in any way have a good time.

 

[Minnie's Mate]

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Everytime I am at FW and bike the loops, I see a sign at the exit of every pet loop about no pets beyond this point. I also have read in the papers we get during check-in regarding no pets in golf carts. I guess there are some people visiting FW for whom these rules do not apply. They must be very special people.

I agree about these "special" people.

I would imagine it's a safety issue for the pet as well as pedestrians. A dog can jump off of a moving golf cart and get hurt. If it sees another dog at a camp site or being walked it might jump off to go "visit" the other dog. If it sees a pedestrian and for some reason wants to "visit" the pedestrian it might jump off. If it is tied to the golf cart, it could get hanged in the process or drug on the ground before the golf cart could stop.

It could get hurt in any of these situations and this could happen before the driver could react. Also, if the dog attempted to do this, the driver might try to intervene and in the process hit a pedestrian by accident or crash the golf cart into something along the path. Driving a golf cart requires no less concentration than driving an automobile at the same speed. The only difference is the size of the vehicle.

I live in a county where there is a Planned Urban Community that has 89 miles of golf cart paths. There are very strick rules that apply to the operation of the golf carts on these paths. Just a week or so ago an elderly gentle man was struck by a golf cart on one of the over passes and after being in the hospiltal for several days he died from the injuries he sustained. People think because they are smaller and only travel at 15-20 MPH they aren't dangerous but they still weigh half a ton. That's approximately 1/2 the weight of a sub compact car! It is also 1/4 the weight of most full-sized sedans and 1/6 of the weight of full sized SUV's. And they have no doors to keep a dog from jumping out while in motion!

Dogs have their own brain and can be unpredictable. You never know exactly what they are thinking or what might catch their attention or how they might react to something you pass by. I think this is why Disney doesn't want dogs riding in the golf carts...plus they might not want them to damage the Disney owned golf cart seats with their claws.

 

[ftwildernessguy]

Also, a number of people are afraid of dogs. They have reserved a spot in a non pet loop expecting not to see dogs. A friendly dog, jumping off a cart to visit an unsuspecting person, can cause a lot of anxiety in a person afraid of animals. We bring our beagle every year with us - reserve a spot in the pet loops and stay within the designated confines. It really isn't that difficult nor is it inconvenient to follow Disney's rules re. pets.

 

[John VN]

Minnie's Mate and ftwildernessguy

 

[disneymom2one]

I guest I look at life different then some people. If something does not effect my vacation in any way have a good time.

Just today (at home) I had an experience where someone looked at life like this. I walk my calm, trained golden retriever a couple of miles each day. Once again there was a woman walking a very agitated husky type dog. I immediately moved to the OTHER side of a major road because I had seen her be unable to control the dog. Sure enough she lost the grip on the leash and the dog ran full force towards my dog and I. My golden didn't even growl and I had control of him the whole time. Luckily my screams were enough to keep the dog from attacking either myself or the dog (probably not the right thing to do - screaming - but it kept him a few feet away). She came and got the leash and basically said what you're saying "he wasn't hurting anything, he just wanted to play." Essentially "no harm done." Well no. When I walk (without or without my dog) I expect other people to _follow the rules_. Dogs are supposed to be on leashes and under control. To bring this back to Fort Wilderness, I would be extremely upset if I had seen a dog in a golf cart, especially outside the pet loops. Just because you love your dog doesn't mean I do (and we have two dogs of our own). I don't walk around this world expecting everyone to like my dogs or even everyone to want to be around them. I follow the rules - all the time. Period. So no ... I don't look at life like you do.