Am I getting old or is this horribly wrong?

[MaryAnnDVC]

It doesn't matter if the poster was being literal or not, the comment was made and it was a rude comment that demeans men..

My mistake. I apologize. I got off topic...this thread is about demeaning little girls.

 

[Mermaid02]

The post in question didn't say anything about men in the audience being uncomfortable but rather it was making a comment alluding to men thinking of these girls as strippers and reaching for their wallets to pay them for stripping. It amazes me that you fail to see the difference.

As for people being uncomfortable in the audience, there sure was lots of cheering and screaming for people who were uncomfortable.

I'm sure those who were disgusted were silent. Maybe I shouldn't have quoted that post, I wasn't really defending it and as MaryAnnDVC said I dont' think that poster was being literal- I think it was tongue in cheek. Heaven forbid we demean grown men when there are little girls to demean....... (that is sarcasm btw).

 

[luvsJack]

The person who made the comment about men in the audience taking out their money was hardly talking about ALL men, nor do I believe that he/she was being literal. It was a reference to putting little girls on a stage in pseudo-lingerie, dancing provocatively, similar to performances which might take place in a "gentlemen's club's" where they do in fact offer dollars for these performances. And don't anyone come back and say "But bathing suits show more."

What these girls are doing is obviously dependent upon ones perspective. And regardless of what was meant by the statement, the fact remains that it was a statement that was insulting to both the girls that are dancing and any man. If a statment of that nature was made to my husband, regardless of who was doign the dancing, I can assure you that more than words would have been flying into the speaker.

Unlikely, but possible. And as I said...does it really have to come down to whether the scuzz would have actual contact with your child, or just that he (or she) is leering at your child? And, as Buckalew pointed out previously, perhaps there are creeps getting off on this show, and releasing those sexual feelings on some other child who IS available.

I would love to have some way to know if a person looking at my dd is a pervert or not. That way things could most definitly be "nipped in the bud", if you kwim. But, I don't have that. And so, I cannot go around being paranoid about who is or is not looking at her. We walk through the mall and 16 year old boys turn their heads (she is 11), there may also be a perv or two in the bunch; but I have no way of knowing that and cannot spend every waking moment worrying about it. Besides, that is why I say that ALL parents need to give their children the skills and tools needed to prevent themselves from becoming a victim.

Asking how many men (if that was a direct quote) is NOT saying ANYTHING about EVERY man ANYWHERE.And I am saying THIS:
I brought up the child porn as an ATTEMPT at explaining that pedophiles DO get off on children behaving sexually, or there wouldn't be a market for child pornography. Yes, I agree that a pedophile is looking for an easy target, but FOR WHAT. Sex. Do you think the only sexual thinking that they do is when they are actually committing the act? You don't think they're LOOKING at children behaving sexually?

They are looking at children. Period. All children. You do not protect your child by not allowing them to dance or wear a costume.

AND THIS:
It doesn't matter that this video shows something that's been done before. If we had seen prior videos, we'd be talking about them. The fact that this is done and has been done before gives NO validation to it being done in this video, or being done at all.

I didn't say it validated anything. I said it wasn't something new.

AND THIS:
I did not say that what they are wearing is a bra and thong, but I WILL say that it isn't as far far away as you seem to think. I am saying that your explanation of what constitutes "a costume"..."because that is what it is"...first, is no explanation at all (depending on what the meaning of "is" is ), and second, puts ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING into the costume category, as long as someone calls it a costume.

You have a very strange idea of what a bra and thong look like then. I assumed that the meaning of "is" was pretty self explainatory. The costume IS a dance costume. It is not anything else. It is not jeans and t-shirt, it is not a school uniform, it is not a outfit to wear to the mall. It is a dance costume.

 

[Wall-E1]

My mistake. I apologize. I got off topic...this thread is about demeaning little girls.

I have been called a man once or twice in my lifetime and I have to say, as a man I did nor feel demeaned by that original comment. I was able to read it in the context that it was written. It was humorously saying that the dancing was equivalent to what one would expect to see in a strip club. So, I can't purposely take that comment out of context and fake outrage over it. Now, let's get back to discussing how having girls dressed as prostitutes and dancing like strippers is not demeaning to young women.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

If you look at the clips, the girls are all wearing consumes similar in exposure: Open belly, short shorts and tights. Seems like it is almost a uniform.

While it seems that many dance studios do dress their kids this way, it's hardly a "uniform".

Here's a hip hop montage. A couple of teams in boy shorts, more in midriff-baring tops, but never together and the majority are in regular shirts and long shorts or pants: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baquKInfbkI

this is more typical of the jazz costumes I see at competitions: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B14TlI_u3YM&feature=related

jazz montage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-ab_NaaDdU&feature=related

and even this shows a lot of skin when the dancer isn't upright, but like I said earlier, when paired with a tasteful routine, it doesn't bother me. It's the combo in the OP and some of the others I've seen that I find distasteful : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7vqYkInCyo

THere is absolutly nothing wrong with the choreography on any of those dances. Any for anyone who thinks there is, well then those dances deemed appropriate must be really dull.

Seriously? Nothing wrong with 13yo girls lip-synching to lyrics telling someone to take off various articles of clothing? (Leave your hat on.) While the dance moves were fine, the costumes, paired with the lyrics were very suggestive and inappropriate for the age group. They could have easily found a less suggestive song, a less revealing costume, and done nearly the same routine and it would have been great. A dance performance without sex doesn't have to be dull.


I don't know why some of the competition companies bother with "rules" about appropriateness in the first place when they don't seem to follow them. I've seen a team win a competition (where suggestive lyrics or choreography was supposed to be a disqualifier), where a boy stepped forward to lip synch sexually explicit and profane lyrics while thrusting his hips very suggestively. It was enough to shock even the teenagers sitting near me in the audience, so it's not just me being an old prude (check out my tag -- I'm no prude about dance.)

Another team pulled out hankerchiefs and threw them at the audience while the lyrics chanted the words "***** rag". Sorry, that's just gross. If the DIS has to star out the word (think kitty-cat), is it really appropriate for a children's dance competition? To me, it just shows that the choreographers are not talented enough to come up with something entertaining on it's own merit and have to include sex and shock value to make their routine memorable. Blech.

 

[Mermaid02]

I have been called a man once or twice in my lifetime and I have to say, as a man I did nor feel demeaned by that original comment. I was able to read it in the context that it was written. It was humorously saying that the dancing was equivalent to what one would expect to see in a strip club. So, I can't purposely take that comment out of context and fake outrage over it. Now, let's get back to discussing how having girls dressed as prostitutes and dancing like strippers is not demeaning to young women.

I believe you called it Wall-E, somebody is wagging the dog!

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I have been called a man once or twice in my lifetime and I have to say, as a man I did nor feel demeaned by that original comment. I was able to read it in the context that it was written. It was humorously saying that the dancing was equivalent to what one would expect to see in a strip club. So, I can't purposely take that comment out of context and fake outrage over it. Now, let's get back to discussing how having girls dressed as prostitutes and dancing like strippers is not demeaning to young women.

 

[sandramaac]

Look at how these girls are posing in these photos!! Hips out, pouty looks and seductive stances!! And the tops are so so short, a tiny bit more and they might as well have none. This is truly explotive--I just can't get over it.

http://www.worldofdance.com/gallery...Dance-Pomona-2010-by-Stanley-Mirador/DSC_2295



http://www.worldofdance.com/gallery...Dance-Pomona-2010-by-Stanley-Mirador/DSC_2298

 

[wvjules]

I've read this whole thread and here is what I got from it:

1. If you weren't totally outraged at this video then you are a pedophile, pervert and have no morals.

2. If you were ready to hang the instructor and parents for allowing this then you are a prude.

3. There appears to be no middle ground.

4. Punkin is apparently raising a future pole dancer.

 

[cheermom1]

Am I the only one that noticed they all have the same hair cut???

 

[wvjules]

Am I the only one that noticed they all have the same hair cut???

No, that was pointed out a few pages ago.

 

[FireDancer]

It doesn't matter if the poster was being literal or not, the comment was made and it was a rude comment that demeans men.

It wasn't meant literally, it was a rhetorical device called hyperbole meant to illustrate the inappropriateness (in the eyes of the posters) of the routine. I'm male and was not offended in the least since I highly doubt the poster meant that anyone in the audience actually reached into their pockets for dollar bills let alone that all men would feel inclined to do so.

Fake outrage, as pointed out by a PP, is exactly what I see.

 

[cheermom1]

No, that was pointed out a few pages ago.

Oh sorry it must have gotten buried on me LOL

that just seems a tad interesting though.

 

[punkin]

I've read this whole thread and here is what I got from it:

1. If you weren't totally outraged at this video then you are a pedophile, pervert and have no morals.

2. If you were ready to hang the instructor and parents for allowing this then you are a prude.

3. There appears to be no middle ground.

4. Punkin is apparently raising a future pole dancer.

 

[jen0610]

Look at how these girls are posing in these photos!! Hips out, pouty looks and seductive stances!! And the tops are so so short, a tiny bit more and they might as well have none. This is truly explotive--I just can't get over it.

http://www.worldofdance.com/gallery...Dance-Pomona-2010-by-Stanley-Mirador/DSC_2295



http://www.worldofdance.com/gallery...Dance-Pomona-2010-by-Stanley-Mirador/DSC_2298

HOLY COW ..... Scroll forward starting on picture 72 to 82...and you see the Jabbawalkess (however they spell it.) Look at all the camera's at the bottem of the picture. That's a lot of press or people with cameras to take video/pictures.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

I've read this whole thread and here is what I got from it:

1. If you weren't totally outraged at this video then you are a pedophile, pervert and have no morals.

2. If you were ready to hang the instructor and parents for allowing this then you are a prude.

I didn't see anyone on here suggest that the people who condone this video are themselves pedophiles or perverts. And I wouldn't say they have "NO" morals.

I have seen the accusations tho that people who see little girls in pseudo-lingerie bumping, grinding and gyrating suggestively, and calling it as such rather than "innocent little girls having fun", are perverts.

 

[Mrs.Toad]

You have a very strange idea of what a bra and thong look like then. I assumed that the meaning of "is" was pretty self explainatory. The costume IS a dance costume. It is not anything else. It is not jeans and t-shirt, it is not a school uniform, it is not a outfit to wear to the mall. It is a dance costume.

It IS a dance costume styled to invoke the look of lingerie. Dance costumes come in different styles. I saw some minis dancing to "It's Raining Men" in costumes styled to look like little raincoats. It was adorable. Also a hip hop team dancing to "Car Wash" in jumpsuits styled like an auto worker's uniform, and a jazz team dancing to Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy wearing costumes that looked like military uniforms.

The girls in the OP are wearing dance costumes, but they are costumes styled as trashy lingerie. It's gross and it's tacky, and if my dd's dance studio tried to put her in something like that, we'd say no. Too bad more parents don't take a stand. "Well, that's just the way it is", is no excuse in my book.

 

[MaryAnnDVC]

It IS a dance costume styled to invoke the look of lingerie. Dance costumes come in different styles. I saw some minis dancing to "It's Raining Men" in costumes styled to look like little raincoats. It was adorable. Also a hip hop team dancing to "Car Wash" in jumpsuits styled like an auto worker's uniform, and a jazz team dancing to Boogie Woogie Bugle Boy wearing costumes that looked like military uniforms.

The girls in the OP are wearing dance costumes, but they are costumes styled as trashy lingerie. It's gross and it's tacky, and if my dd's dance studio tried to put her in something like that, we'd say no. Too bad more parents don't take a stand. "Well, that's just the way it is", is no excuse in my book.

Exactly. And that's what I'm saying. ANYTHING is a costume, if it's called one, put on someone and that someone is on a stage. To justify it as "OK" because "it's a costume" is to justify ANYTHING. A bra and thong *AND I AM IN NO WAY SAYING ANYONE IS WEARING A BRA AND THONG* would, by that "definition" BE a costume by the very fact of calling it one. So for anyone to say "I just see a costume" means __________???????????

 

[declansdad]

I have been called a man once or twice in my lifetime and I have to say, as a man I did nor feel demeaned by that original comment. I was able to read it in the context that it was written. It was humorously saying that the dancing was equivalent to what one would expect to see in a strip club. So, I can't purposely take that comment out of context and fake outrage over it. Now, let's get back to discussing how having girls dressed as prostitutes and dancing like strippers is not demeaning to young women.

I believe you called it Wall-E, somebody is wagging the dog!

It wasn't meant literally, it was a rhetorical device called hyperbole meant to illustrate the inappropriateness (in the eyes of the posters) of the routine. I'm male and was not offended in the least since I highly doubt the poster meant that anyone in the audience actually reached into their pockets for dollar bills let alone that all men would feel inclined to do so.

Fake outrage, as pointed out by a PP, is exactly what I see.

You can all think what you want but fake outrage is not what is going on here. Obviously the context was read differently by different people. The comment was made referencing no other posts so it is very easy to read it in different ways. That particular comment was uncalled for regardless to the circumstances.

Firedancer, thank you for the explanation of the language, much appreciated.

 

[OceanAnnie]

Look at how these girls are posing in these photos!! Hips out, pouty looks and seductive stances!! And the tops are so so short, a tiny bit more and they might as well have none. This is truly explotive--I just can't get over it.

http://www.worldofdance.com/gallery...Dance-Pomona-2010-by-Stanley-Mirador/DSC_2295



http://www.worldofdance.com/gallery...Dance-Pomona-2010-by-Stanley-Mirador/DSC_2298

Thanks for posting that. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.