Am I being selfish?

Sounds like it is time for your sister to move out.

You don't owe her a vacation and she is acting childish...I think in your heart you know this. Sometimes it is so hard to look at it objectively when you are in the middle and it involves manipulating family members. If this situation was happening to a co-worker what would your advice be? Choose that and don't look back!

Enjoy your vaction when YOU choose to take it!

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I'm sure you don't need any more advice but I was a little more than ticked when I read your post. At your sister of course.

First of all, your sister is not helping her daughter at all by showing her that if she stomps and pouts enough she'll get her way. She's being extremely immature and VERY selfish. She's also being selfish in the sense that she's sorta "living" with the BF and not taking care of her daughter. She needs to put her daughter 1st and forget the BF. It's not about fulfilling her needs but those of her daughter. I'm of the school that thinks you should take care of your kids needs before your own meaning no BF until your kids are out of the house and able to take care of themselves. She doesn't have time for a BF.

I agree with the few posts I have read that she needs to get her act together and move out. She has no reason to mooch off of you any longer. I personally think she's taking advantage of you.

DO NOT APOLOGIZE!!! You have no reason to be sorry. You are taking care of your family and if you want to take a vacation to WDW then do so and forget about what she thinks. If she wants to go so badly she has plenty of time to save the money for it. And hello??? Where is your niece's dad?? He should be taking care of your niece too.

Tell your sister that you are going on these dates. If she would like to join you, that's fine but you WILL NOT pick up the tab. You've done enough for her already. I too want to know where all her $$$ is going if her sugar daddy is paying for her cell phone & car insurance?
 
Bless your heart, honestly I think you sound like a saint. And the fact that you feel bad, just goes to show that your sister is very lucky to have you.

She's being selfish, not you. Plan your vacation with your family and don't worry about anyone else. We took our first family vacation to Disney this past November. A year before when we mentioned to my in-laws that we were planning the trip, my MIL says "we want to go and we'll pay". Then suddenly she's inviting my BIL (who I don't really like) and his girlfriend, and I'm now dreading the family vacation that I was so looking forward to. So we just said "No, we just want it to be us, and we'll pay our own way". And let me tell you, we had the most magical, wonderful trip ever. I felt bad in the beginning that we insisted it only be us, but now that it is over, I am so thankful. Every minute of the trip was a happy one, and I know it would not have been that way if everyone else had gone.

What you have done for your sister is wonderful. You shouldn't feel bad about going on your family trip. And if she loves you (which, I have a feeling she does, or else I can't imagine you could love her so much) she'll get over it. Sounds like she's had a rough year. Maybe she's just going through a little bit of self pity. She'll get over it eventually.
 
I read about a 1/3 of this and got so nauseated I had to stop. Your sister sounds like one of those people who expects everyone to wait on her hand and foot. Apparently she hasn't grow up yet and part of the reason is perhaps because people are doing too much for her. I'd wager if anything was left up to her it wouldn't happen. She should be kissing the ground you walk on, I'd give the shirt off my back to have a sibling like you. You put her up in your own home? Wow.

Everyone is entitled to their own life and happiness, nothing irritates me more than a person who rains on a parade for no reason. Don't change your plans and do NOT feel guilty in the least. The fact that your sister even thinks she has the right to say anything is disgraceful. I've had meddlers in my family as well, they are now well trained, I say no once and that is it. Believe me my life is much better now.

Some day she may grow up, sadly some never do.

Signed,

Thoroughly Disgusted
 

Bumping this only to see if the OP has made any progress with the situation!
 
She did offer to take the niece but the sister does not want the girl to go for the first time without her. Which was probably the OP's hint to offer to pay for the sister as well. It bites for the 5 year old but it's the mom's fault and her cousins shoudn't have to pay with thier vacation.


Yes, I absolutely agree. What I meant was that I would not rescind the offer to take the child, but I would not rearrange my vacation, nor would I offer to foot even a dime of the bill for the sister. I am wussy where children's feelings are concerned.........
 
So many people have posted on this thread and not one agrees with your sister. I hope that gives you the support you need to stand up to her. The most important thing that was said here is that your husband and your children need to come first. Think about what is best for them. Just because they are not guilt-tripping you and throwing tantrums doesn't mean that they (specifically your husband) wouldn't be hurt by you choosing her over them. Also remember that you are setting the example for your children, so please don't let your sister walk all over you. You seem like a really sweet and caring person. You should feel entitled to a vacation with just your hubby and kids. Your sister should NOT be involved in this decision at all.
 
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ME PERSONALLY I WOULD TELL HER YOU LOVE HER & YOUR NEICE DEARLY, BUT YOU NEED SOME FAMILY TIME WITH YOUR HUSBAND & KIDS JUST TO ENJOY THEM AND NOT THINK ABOUT ANYTHING OR ANYONE ELSE JUST THEM AND ONLY THEM . PUT YOU & YOUR FAMILY FIRST SOUNDS LIKE A WHILE SINCE YOU HAD THIS OPPORTUNITY. BE HAPPY, LIFES SHORT & IT'S MEANT TO BE FUN:banana: THE REASON I SAY TELL HER YOU LOVE HER IS YOU NEVER WANT TO LIVE WITH REGRETS !!
 
Where is the OP? What happened?

My advice is to seek professional advice-like a counselor mediator. We can tell you all day the your sister is manipulative, spoiled and a tad wacky. Sounds like you are getting bulldozed by your sister.

But us telling you that isn't going to calm her highness down, stop your Mom from taking sides or ease the situation in your house while you try to plan something fun. She is going to suck all the joy from it while trying to make you feel guilty. And if seems like you are more than willing to feel guilty so it all works out. Not to mention that it is none of her BF's business, but you can't say that either.

And...I would not trust her in your house alone while you are in Disney and she is ticked.

You can't solve this one by yourself. Your sister won't suddenly wake up like in TV drama and become understanding and mature. Your Mother won't suddenly become fair and not take sides. You won't hug and she won't wish you a lovely vacation. The kids will feel the stress.

Try to get someone professional for some family counseling pronto, quickly call your insurance company, get a name of a family counselor mediator-tell sis you are heartbroken too and to please come with you to talk to someone who can see all sides and help you both.

I pray she goes, I pray this works out somehow.

But bottom line-you are not wrong, you are not wrong, you are not wrong
 
First off I want to thank everyone for your opinions and advice. I'll guess to many of you I look kind of pathetic and like a doormat.. I think this post was in fact a good idea, because it gave me a chance to really look at things from a different perspective and to the poster who added would you let a coworker do this to you.. you're right, I would tell them off and that would be the end of it. I guess I needed someone to make me mad enough to stop feeling so guilty. However, I wanted to add a little something to the background of the situation.

I'll try to respond to most of the points raised as briefly as possible.. ( I was an english lit major.. I tend to get longwinded. lol ) And If you are simply looking to see what the status of things are at the moment, I have that at the bottom. I just proof read and realized how long it became anyway... sorry!

We insisted my sister move in after he dh threw all her clothes out the front door and then threw the dresser drawer at her because he wanted to use the phone and she was on it.. with me. ( he hates me and ironically its because i don't take other people's crap and have told him off repeatedly for his rude and obnoxious behavior to both my family and his wife. )

My mother is my mother, I don't take her rudeness to heart anymore, it's just how she is and in order to keep the peace and not make my grandmother or my dads life a nightmare, I just ignore her. Unfortunately my sister is her favorite and that means that yes she has rubbed off on my sister a bit.

Dh is not a saint. He has had to leave the house several times because of my sister and her nonsense. He thinks she is as spiteful and nasty as my mother, but he shuts his mouth and like me tries to keep the peace for the sake of the kids and my grandmother, who actually was like a mother to me. Perhaps he just has the patience of a saint. lol And just loves me A LOT! lol

As far as my sister and the chores, cooking etc... Well, I clean because I am home all day and its what I would be doing anyway. I cook because my sister is a horrible cook and I prefer to cook from scratch. ( and i think she makes a mess lol ) I do the laundry because it's mixed in with ours and I feel mean separating it from ours when I can just throw it all in together. So, in a way, I feel like I have created the problem for myself. But at the same time, If I am having dinner at a friends, when we are done eating, I automatically start cleaning up, doing dishes, filling the dishwasher etc.. I could even look past the cleaning up, if she would at least be mindful of the mess she created.. please put your shoes in the closet, make your child help clean up in her room, and make her bed.. etc lol you get my point.. see, longwinded...

With regard to going to Disney and excluding Jayda. I do think she will be heartbroken, she IS only four turning five and I know even at 7 my daughter would be sad if she heard Jayda was getting to go and she wasn't. I know that kids need to learn that they don't always get what they want and life is full of disappointments, but do we need to let her learn that at five? I feel like she's gone through enough this year.

Also I want to point out, my sister does spend most of her time at the BF's now, but that is mainly on weekends, when Jay is with her dad. During the week sometimes they'll make plans but I let Jayda stay here because she wants to. She would rather play with the kids and I am ok with that. Sometimes she'd rather go with her mom, I am trying to make her as comfortable as possible. She is having a hard enough time adjusting.

No my sister doesn't pay rent, when she moved here, she needed to find a new job, since we live an hour away from where she used to live. I was the one who told her to save her money for gas when she wa still working at her old employment and after getting a new job that paid substantially less, we allowed her to use the money towards the lawyer for custody, child support hearing and the divorce. After the lawyer was paid and things were moving along, she started getting child support, I expected her to start helping a little more, but she hasn't started and when dh asked for some she started looking a new place...even though we all know she'll move in with the BF because she has never ever lived alone..


Ok so, I am sure you are all waiting to hear an update on the original situation. I was actually in the process of writing a response to some of the questions when I was interrupted by the drama.

First off, without my knowledge, dh called my sisters bf. He informed him that while he appreciates that he would support his gf, this is between her and i and that if he knows what is good for him, he'll stay out of it. At which point I guess he trying to say my dh was threatening him and dh said I don't need to threaten you about this buddy.. you obviously don't know my wife very well. You do not want to get on her bad side.. and eventually her and her sis will be over this and then you'll be forever outside her graces.. take my advice and leave it alone..
I will however tell you that if you ever message my wife and try to make her feel bad like that again, you will deal with me.

Second, the first phone call my sister made this morning was to my mother. who called my father and then me. She went on and on about how I can't just go with the flow and I always need to start something, she doesn't understand why I feel the need to go before everyone else. etc etc etc... Apparently she feels as though with everything poor Tania has gone through and all the stress she is under, I am adding to it.. @@ AND that maybe she might not invite us to go on the family trip.. unless we can pay our own way.. to which i simply told her that we didn't care and the only people she is hurting is the kids and if that's the kind of grandmother she wants to be so be it.. she got snooty and then excused her self from the convo, because she was getting overly upset with my rudeness.

As a side note... She also mentioned she thought it was completely ridiculous that I would want to go so soon after having a baby, and not because I was going to be there with five kids, two of which are under two, but because I will be enormous and not be able to use the pool. ( because it would be inappropriate for me to be in a bathing suit in public apparently ) Yeah my mom is a peach. she is 5'8" and a 4 or 6, my sister is 5'10" and an 8, I am 5'9" and normally a 12 sometimes a 14. I look like my dads side, hips, a large chest, more curvey.. it drives my mother insane.. i think because she hated all the women in my dads family so much. And since having Mariska, I've been in a size 16 and now pregnant, I am in an 18... it's driving her nuts. LOL

Anyway, after her phone call and after agitating myself by reading all the posts here, lol, I called my sister. I informed her that we need to talk. She said she'd see what she could do about coming around this evening, since she needs clothes for jay anyway. I told her that steve and i were going on our vacation and we were going as a family. I extended the invitation for Jayda to go along again if she felt she would be that broken hearted, but informed her that steve and i both decided this is our vacation and we plan to go without any other extended family. She just said whatever, i'll talk to you later and hung up.

My dad just called and asked if i was ok, and reminded me that its easier to just ignore them and they'll stop. I did tell him about my mothers comment about my weight and he said well we all know your mother can be a #$%^&. He agreed that we should go and I should just be blunt, say we are going, if she wants to go she can plan her own trip. If she wants Jayda to go so badly but can't afford to go along then she should let her go with us . He also mentioned that she is a big girl now and she needs to learn to be an adult and I need to stop making excuses for her.. I might be five years older but she is 27 years old now. she is not a child and she needs to stop acting like one.

I am really trying to finish this post but people keep calling me.. that was actually my sister calling to let me know that she is going for wings tonight and won't be home, but she wants me to sit there and think of how crappy we'd feel if she and josh decided to go to Disney and Lexi cried her eyes out. I simply told her, that first of all she didn't need to know until after you went, and all we'd need to tell her is that we are planning our own trip. AND that OUR kids aren't even aware we are going so there is no reason Jayda should know... they only heard that my mother wants to take them... "someday" Not that we are going as a family beforehand. She said I guess and said she'd talk to me later. Oh and she is now definitely moving in with her bf before school starts.

I called dh while typing this... he is ecstatic. lol I'll let you know what else develops... when her and I speak face to face. Thanks for listening and making me see how foolish I look.
 
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Good for your Dad for calling and trying to make you feel better, I can't imagine living with someone like your mom (my own mom is certifiable which is why we've never taken her to WDW with us). Your sister sounds like she needs a strong kick in the pants. Yes she has had some bad times, but she is living with people that love her (despite her shortcomings), love her child, provide free babysitting services when she needs it and is living with free room and board. If she wants to take her DD to WDW now then she should be looking for a way to do that if she doesn't want to wait for your parents to foot the bill.

I think your sister is being rude, inconsiderate, selfish and extremely childish. Her DD can be made to understand (even at her young age) that sometimes people get to do things that you can't do like your family is going to WDW and her time will come when the time is right (when your sister isn't paying for it).

I hope that you don't let your sister spoil any part of your trip whether it be the planning, the travel or the actual trip. Enjoy and when you see your DD's face light up you'll leave all of the stress behind!!
 
This is one of those times when I'm thankful to be an only child!

That said, it never was assumed I would be included in my cousins' family plans, unless it was specifically an extended family occasion. Then everyone planned together--including costs for each family, how they would contribute to help other family members less fortunate to be able to participate, etc.

Your immediate family consists of you, your DH and your children. Your immediate family should take a vacation together without extended family without any guilt.

I agree with others that your sister is manipulating you. And, undoubtedly, she will use her daughter to do the same.

You need to harden your heart just a wee bit and let it be known that you love them, but your family is going on at least one holiday as a family unit without extended family.
 
Without reading anything beyond the OP…While I realize we only have your side, and not your sister’s and the truth usually lies somewhere in the middle, I still say DO NOT apologize, at least not to your sis for taking the vacation. You might apologize in a way to say, “I’m sorry you feel that way”, but not for what you’ve actually done.

I think as I read, your sister has forgotten that while you are part of her family, you also have your own, distinct family. Perhaps by living with you, she has forgotten that you have a separate family unit. Maybe you have done too much for her and your niece? Not that it isn’t wonderful, just maybe she has come to rely a little too heavily on you? I have the feeling you might even be doing the bulk of her child care and she isn’t paying rent or for anything else.

My sister has been having money issues since she separated from her DH (and he prefers to go to jail than pay the support because lord help it, she might use toilet paper he bought), but at sometime they do have to get up on their own feet. My sis has worked hard from the get-go to do just that and has never asked anyone for anything—although, we volunteer and do some things without asking (i.e., take her kids shopping for school supplies & clothes). Sticking to your guns and having a family vacation for your chosen family might do her more in the long run.

What does she do with her money? You say you pay for the huge bulk of her living bills and her BF pays for her extras. Really, she should either over come her shoe fetish or have a stock pile of money.

Take your trip, as planned. It will be good for your family. And it should be good for your sister’s family (her and her DD) as well.

Now, off to read the replies!!
 
Please DO NOT tell them when your vacation is.........or tell them the wrong dates if you have to.........then you had to change b/c of an "urgent issue" or something.

Your DH is a saint, btw!
 

As far as my sister and the chores, cooking etc... Well, I clean because I am home all day and its what I would be doing anyway. I cook because my sister is a horrible cook and I prefer to cook from scratch. ( and i think she makes a mess lol ) I do the laundry because it's mixed in with ours and I feel mean separating it from ours when I can just throw it all in together. So, in a way, I feel like I have created the problem for myself. But at the same time, If I am having dinner at a friends, when we are done eating, I automatically start cleaning up, doing dishes, filling the dishwasher etc.. I could even look past the cleaning up, if she would at least be mindful of the mess she created.. please put your shoes in the closet, make your child help clean up in her room, and make her bed.. etc lol you get my point.. see, longwinded...

Oh and she is now definitely moving in with her bf before school starts.

I called dh while typing this... he is ecstatic. lol I'll let you know what else develops... when her and I speak face to face. Thanks for listening and making me see how foolish I look.

Just 1 question? Can I move in? LOL :lmao: I promise I will make my bed and pick up my shoes!

Seriously, you and I could be family-your sister and parents sound just like mine. You try to be the "good" sister and just get crap. My sis's favorite line is "whatever, I'll talk to you later". :rotfl:

Go to Disney with your husband and children, have a WONDERFUL time.

:hug:
 
OP--just backed up and read your response.

Good for you! :thumbsup2

You love your sister and niece and want them to be happy, but your immediate family has to have priority over them.

Glad you took some time to analyze the situation before acting. :)
 
Good for you OP.

And I just have to say, your dh sounds like a real keeper. I loved how he handled the boyfriend.

Try to put this behind you (although, I doubt your family is going to drop the subject for a while so it may be hard) and go work on the planning for your trip. April 09 will be here before you know it.
 
OP -Its good for you that your father sees what a bunch of ()*&(*& your famiy can be. I'm dealing with almost the same thing here, but EVERYONE in my family thinks I'm the (*(%&^%^$ no one even tries to see things my way. I even posted the question here on the Dis, almost everyone who responded said that I was in the right, my family was in the wrong, and then gave my family the link, and they still said I was wrong!!! Its a shame you can't pick your family!! Anyway, I know life is hard sometimes, you just need to worry about your immediate family, and thats it. DH sounds like good people, DM doesn't!! It doesn't seem like a hard choice to me!
 
Honey, you don't look "foolish"...you look sweet, tired, and frazzled.

It's not your fault your sister is a butthead!:lmao:

Glad to hear all the positives in your update.:banana:
 
You should really be proud of how you handled the situation. It's unfair of your sister to try and manipulate you out of the things you are trying to do for your children when you have already gone out of your way to help her so much. And your mother's reaction was also unfair.

I feel for her daughter, it will be hard on her to move out. I'd give it some time, then offer again to take her if you are all living together and are ok with one another.
 













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