All The New Developments

[mom2rtk]

So you dont ever plan your rides? Never?

Please, you didnt plan to go to ETWB early, first thing after RD and also advise people the same?

You dont ever plan which FPs in the park to pull first? Am I to believe that in DHS, you never PLAN to ride TSMM especially since your RESEARCH shows you that FPs run out at a certain time of day and we all know how much you deplore the SB line. So you just wander into DHS without a plan to ride TSMM? OK, whatever you say....

You NEVER plan which rides to hit first when you are at RD?

AND FP+ encompasses more than just rides, now doesnt it? Parade viewing and Fantasmic come to mind?

It doesnt take anyone being an "expert" on your trips to ascertain that you are in fact a planner.

You seem to like to focus on one person and pick some sort of fight. I'm not going to participate in that. I answered the question above. Asking it over and over isn't likely to get a different answer.

 

[nkereina]

Of course I don't fret over not having ADR's - that what Counter Service is for, which is the alternative. And meals are in addition to park attendance no matter where you eat, the rides & attractions ARE what I'm paying a relatively lot of money for when I purchase park tickets.

What is my alternative for FP+ if it ultimately phases out regular FP completely and we don't even plan our WDW trips 60 days in advance? Any way you slice it, if I'm waiting until the morning of our park visit to make ressies for FP+ at the kiosk, the availability is going to be compromised based on all those advanced planners. The way the system works right now we all stand the exact same chance at getting FPs as those entering the parks at the same time; depending on our touring strategy we have the opportunity to pull the same number of passes and have an equal shot at getting passes for the most popular rides.

And speaking of these kiosks, if they are located IN the parks, will they be opening early to give people time to wait in line to get this administrative stuff out of the way or do we now do the "hurry up & wait" by rushing to the parks for RD only to stall out at the kiosk trying to get FP for the entire day? Do we need to designate a FP Stander (vs Runner) to stand in line for a chunk of time to feret through the process while the rest of the family occupies themselves in the park? Maybe if we're hopping into MK later in the morning or early afternoon, sure FP are still available for Space - but only with a return time of 9:00 that night.

Since many vacationers are still struggling to understand the regular FP system (even after all the years it has been utilized), I have doubts that they will easily pick up the ins & outs of FP+.

I truly don't know how I'll feel once this rolls out completely & the bugs are mostly ironed out, but I know that the basics of what it entails works against the way my family vacations at WDW.

I understand what you're saying... just playing devil's advocate.

TS restaurants are optional, just like you stated. So are fast passes. There are lots of people who vacation to Disney and don't know what a fast pass is and don't use it currently. You're right - the attractions are what you're paying for. NOT the fast pass. You can ride anything you want stand-by if you're down on FP+. Just might be a longer wait depending on what you go.

 

[agavegirl1]

Please posters, how a person chooses to refer to themself is really of no consequence to the topic at hand. If a person doesn't want to plan ride times in advance, they don't want to! Whether a "planner", "researcher", "non-planner", "relaxation fan" or "commando" their opinion is their valid opinion.

We don't need labels or "calling one-another out" on perceived inconsistencies according to what may be a different definition to detract from the intention of the thread.

This is too close to personal attacks.

 

[MichiganDVC]

Can we just ignore each other so this thread doesn't get closed down? I'm sure the others would appreciate it.

But I haven't even had a chance to join the gaggle...

But this thread is about FP+. Which is exclusively about ride planning. We don't do that.

So glad you fancy yourself to be such an expert on my trips though.

My original point about planning was that chances are if you are on Disboards and privy to all the great ideas, you're going to fit those into your vacation at optimal times.... AKA: planning. BOG, TSMM, MSEP.... We all do it. Some more than others.
But I really don't think planning TSMM for 11:00am via FP+ for a Wednesday 60 days from now is going to cause the Earth to crumble. Nor do I see it as any different than making an ADR for Le Cellier 180 days out.

 

[MichiganDVC]

Please posters, how a person chooses to refer to themself is really of no consequence to the topic at hand. If a person doesn't want to plan ride times in advance, they don't want to! Whether a "planner", "researcher", "non-planner", "relaxation fan" or "commando" their opinion is their valid opinion.

We don't need labels or "calling one-another out" on perceived inconsistencies according to what may be a different definition to detract from the intention of the thread.

This is too close to personal attacks.

So calling someone "a planner" is a personal attack?

 

[DVCBELLE]

So you dont ever plan your rides? Never?

Please, you didnt plan to go to ETWB early, first thing after RD and also advise people the same?

You dont ever plan which FPs in the park to pull first? Am I to believe that in DHS, you never PLAN to ride TSMM especially since your RESEARCH shows you that FPs run out at a certain time of day and we all know how much you deplore the SB line. So you just wander into DHS without a plan to ride TSMM? OK, whatever you say....

You NEVER plan which rides to hit first when you are at RD?

AND FP+ encompasses more than just rides, now doesnt it? Parade viewing and Fantasmic come to mind?

It doesnt take anyone being an "expert" on your trips to ascertain that you are in fact a planner.

I am a planner on my Disney trip....

I plan what my kids are going to wear...after all failing to do would result in us all being naked.

I plan my ADR and which park I will be in because I want to use the dining plan that I PAY for and eat in the restaurants we like...and yes as a DVC owner I pay for it. I also do this because we like the time to sit down during the day or use it to enter the parks early because that is when you get the best pics.

I plan where we are going to stay...after all I don't want to arrive and all the rooms be gone.

What I don't plan is rides....I know that when we get to HS - our first stop is TSM...and honest to goodness that is it...I plan nothing else about rides. Why? Because I like to let my kids say what they want to ride and when. I want them to experience new things when we go and if they decide to spend an hour in Innoventions...then I let them. If we get to a line and it is too long...we just FP it...and come back later. I don't like the stressed feeling I get of needing to be somewhere all day long. I planned a trip or two like that and hated it...so now we like to go with the flow...

And I fear that this system will put back in my trips that urgent pit I get in my stomach trying to get to a certain ride on time...and if that happens...I won't keep doing it...its a vacation and it just isn't worth the stress.

I like to plan so when I am on vacation I don't have to stress about if we have everything...I don't want to plan so that once I am there I have a strict schedule to follow.
Planning your vacation and planning your rides are two completely different things.

 

[luvmy3]

I'm just really glad that none of these new developments will be in effect for my trip.

 

[Zurginator]

So you dont ever plan your rides? Never?

Please, you didnt plan to go to ETWB early, first thing after RD and also advise people the same?

You dont ever plan which FPs in the park to pull first? Am I to believe that in DHS, you never PLAN to ride TSMM especially since your RESEARCH shows you that FPs run out at a certain time of day and we all know how much you deplore the SB line. So you just wander into DHS without a plan to ride TSMM? OK, whatever you say....

You NEVER plan which rides to hit first when you are at RD?

AND FP+ encompasses more than just rides, now doesnt it? Parade viewing and Fantasmic come to mind?

It doesnt take anyone being an "expert" on your trips to ascertain that you are in fact a planner.

Did you "plan" on spending your day today harrassing some body on a message board, or did you "research" what they are posting then just did it spontaneously?

 

[waynesgirl]

I understand what you're saying... just playing devil's advocate.
TS restaurants are optional, just like you stated. So are fast passes. There are lots of people who vacation to Disney and don't know what a fast pass is and don't use it currently. You're right - the attractions are what you're paying for. NOT the fast pass. You can ride anything you want stand-by if you're down on FP+. Just might be a longer wait depending on what you go.

Totally agree. I am an AP holder. This is my 12th year straight visiting WDW and I will continue to go, even though they froze out a HUGE cost-cutting benefit for my family and I. Now I have to plan other ways. I still have to sleep when I am there, so I plan my rooms. Now that I have to stay off-site to be able to go more often without the massive loss of money, having APs freezes me out of being able to book 180+ days out for BOG. It currently keeps me from the FP+ the way the system is planned. I will have to use an armband and my credit card right now, where everyone else gets to waive their band and things magically happen. But, I really don't care.

Most people are complaining about something they originally wanted in the first place- that is the only problem I have with this whole silly affair. It is trying to get to the point of streamlining everything- it doesn't seem obvious right now- so that EVERYONE has a level to which they can plan or not plan the right vacation for themselves and not have to be lumped in a herd with everyone else.

Personally, I think that someone with an AP, especially an out-of-state, should get more benefit, but then, the other people who think they deserve more because they go once a year and get the whole nine-yards package want the benefit. So, until it is FULLY implemented, why bother to fret? I did that in my 30's about senseless stuff, and face facts, right now this is senseless, and I now get a rise in blood pressure and get headaches. Not really worth it over a silly chance to get on a ride first, huh?
It'll be alright, folks. Let it roll out first.

 

[Cherinva]

I am a planner on my Disney trip....

I plan what my kids are going to wear...after all failing to do would result in us all being naked.

I plan my ADR and which park I will be in because I want to use the dining plan that I PAY for and eat in the restaurants we like...and yes as a DVC owner I pay for it. I also do this because we like the time to sit down during the day or use it to enter the parks early because that is when you get the best pics.

I plan where we are going to stay...after all I don't want to arrive and all the rooms be gone.

What I don't plan is rides....I know that when we get to HS - our first stop is TSM...and honest to goodness that is it...I plan nothing else about rides. Why? Because I like to let my kids say what they want to ride and when. I want them to experience new things when we go and if they decide to spend an hour in Innoventions...then I let them. If we get to a line and it is too long...we just FP it...and come back later. I don't like the stressed feeling I get of needing to be somewhere all day long. I planned a trip or two like that and hated it...so now we like to go with the flow...

And I fear that this system will put back in my trips that urgent pit I get in my stomach trying to get to a certain ride on time...and if that happens...I won't keep doing it...its a vacation and it just isn't worth the stress.

I like to plan so when I am on vacation I don't have to stress about if we have everything...I don't want to plan so that once I am there I have a strict schedule to follow.
Planning your vacation and planning your rides are two completely different things.

This Exactly !!!!! Well said.

 

[luvmy3]

Planning your vacation and planning your rides are two completely different things.

ITA. I plan on going to WDW for vacation. I plan on packing enough clothes so that I don't have to do laundry for the week. I also plan on feeding my kids food at various times during the day, and of course we plan on riding the attractions. If I had to schedule every minute of what and where, it wouldnt be a vacation. I do enough scheduled planning at home every other day of the year, my vacations are a nice break from that, and the laundry too

 

[chrispeto]

I think the new tech MB, RFID cards is more than just fp+, I think it may enhance the magic a little. The benefit for Disney is it could be used as a marketing tool, to see what people are purchasing in the parks, how many people are in say MK at what times, they can better predict peak hours etc. and so much more.
Not everybody is going to like the new tech. Not everybody was thrilled when fp- came out and not everybody liked when they switched from paper tickets to cards.
I can think of examples outside of disney as well not everybody was thrilled about cars, or cell phones or computers, but we all got used to these things and lets face whom amongst us can live without their cell not me( well I could it would be very difficult though). I believe in time we will get used to MB fp+, and all the new changes coming our way. so no worries.

 

[Vertical]

Well, not to be rude, but how the changes impact CMs doesn't concern me as a visitor of DW. I'm interested in hearing the "behind the scenes" stuff but beyond that it has no bearing on my experience. This board is the only place I hear the griping. If there's zero evidence of it while I'm at the park and if my experience is completely positive with regards to MDE and MM+ and FP+ then that's all I care about as a visitor to the park. When I'm NOT there and My only exposure is these forums then sure it seems a lot worse.

 

[BayouMickey]

It's all pure magic, wrapped up in pixie dust... welcome to a place where dreams come truuuueeee!

 

[Golf4283]

Well, not to be rude, but how the changes impact CMs doesn't concern me as a visitor of DW. I'm interested in hearing the "behind the scenes" stuff but beyond that it has no bearing on my experience. This board is the only place I hear the griping. If there's zero evidence of it while I'm at the park and if my experience is completely positive with regards to MDE and MM+ and FP+ then that's all I care about as a visitor to the park. When I'm NOT there and My only exposure is these forums then sure it seems a lot worse.

I share your exact opinion!

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[Vertical]

It's all pure magic, wrapped up in pixie dust... welcome to a place where dreams come truuuueeee!

I sense sarcasm.

Look I just see this thread as the equivalent of a CM posting "hey everyone just wanted to let you know Peter Pan doesn't actually fly you through never land. It's a ride. An illusion. It's on a track and that's a miniature London!"

Well... Yeah. The rides and the experience of walking through Disney is an illusion. I don't care that the CMs don't like the new MM+. I am not a CM. If I were I would care. They can be grumpy all they like inside but if on the outside they're still making my day magical that's what I see. So the MM+ experience has been tough to implement for the CMs. Sorry. But I'm not the one implementing it. I'm enjoying the fruits of their labor. And it's working for me.

But on a human level I can sympathize with being forced to implement a change you don't believe in. It's awful and frustrating. On THAT level I am sorry they have to go through it.

As a Disney PATRON, though, it doesn't cross my mind in the least, nor is it any of my concern.

 

[Angel Ariel]

If one wants spontaneity, I wouldnt recommend a trip to WDW under any circumstances

As I said in another thread..we went in March and had plenty of spontaneity on our trip. We ended up canceling a few ADRs because we decided to spend our time elsewhere, we pulled FP as we came to a ride and felt it necessary, etc.

I think it's a bit misleading to say that there's no spontaneity in a WDW trip. There can be, as things stand right now. I have legitimate concerns about the over-planning direction that Disney is pushing onto guests. Someone else in the thread stated that Disney is giving guests what they wanted, yet for years people have always come to me pretty stressed out when they realize that they need to make ADRs for certain experiences so far in advance (like CRT). I can't imagine how stressed out they'd be at the idea of scheduling ride times 2 months ahead.

 

[Mad Hattered]

This board is the only place I hear the griping.

I can think of two more right off the top of my head....

http://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/spirited-news-observations-thoughts-iv.870129/

That one above is REALLY good. That guy has some great insider information if you're really interested.

http://www.orlandounited.com/forums/showthread.php/3741-Disney-s-NextGen-Initiative

It's Universally panned.

 

[Angel Ariel]

Most people are complaining about something they originally wanted in the first place- that is the only problem I have with this whole silly affair. It is trying to get to the point of streamlining everything- it doesn't seem obvious right now- so that EVERYONE has a level to which they can plan or not plan the right vacation for themselves and not have to be lumped in a herd with everyone else.

I don't recall ever wanting to plan my day down to the hour 2 months before I set foot in WDW

Sure, the idea of being able to manage FPs from a smartphone or one kiosk instead of a different kiosk at each ride is definitely more convenient. I still don't want to be so tied to my phone on vacation, but i could deal with just that. The thing is, Disney could have implemented that without the pre-booking idea and without really changing the bones of the FP program (the way they have with introducing the 3 FP limit and only one park/day for FP+ limit).

 

[BayouMickey]

I sense sarcasm.

Look I just see this thread as the equivalent of a CM posting "hey everyone just wanted to let you know Peter Pan doesn't actually fly you through never land. It's a ride. An illusion. It's on a track and that's a miniature London!"

Well... Yeah. The rides and the experience of walking through Disney is an illusion. I don't care that the CMs don't like the new MM+. I am not a CM. If I were I would care. They can be grumpy all they like inside but if on the outside they're still making my day magical that's what I see. So the MM+ experience has been tough to implement for the CMs. Sorry. But I'm not the one implementing it. I'm enjoying the fruits of their labor. And it's working for me.

But on a human level I can sympathize with being forced to implement a change you don't believe in. It's awful and frustrating. On THAT level I am sorry they have to go through it.

As a Disney PATRON, though, it doesn't cross my mind in the least, nor is it any of my concern.

It was'nt directed to you vertical lol. It was directed to this thread as a whole.. I find it so funny that a place that supposed to cause happiness is causing so much negativity and grief.. Ease up people sheesh! People get so wrapped up into this ish, and forget what a WDW VACATION is all about.