All About Fixed Weeks (RIV/CCV/AUL/VGF/POLY/TOWER/VHD/FWC Charts)

[jillt2ph]

it does seems as though the new RIV FW chart has aligned with newer charts so for example W48 Pref Studio used to be 147 pts, now 189!

Im glad I got mine with the old charts!

Me, too! Makes it seem like I got a steal.

 

[EatMoreVeg]

How is it that they can increase the point allotments for the RIV point charts? I always thought they were based on the year the resort was declared.

 

[Robert Stoddart]

I didn't think they could adjust the FW chart chart as it was based on the resort inception chart. The 1 bedroom week 52 was 398 points, now 469. That's a huge difference.

 

[Royal Consort]

How is it that they can increase the point allotments for the RIV point charts? I always thought they were based on the year the resort was declared.

I think they have the right to change the fixed week chart but they just never exercised this in the past. Since the majority of fixed weeks sell for the last two months of they year coinciding with an increased point chart, they decided not to leave money on the table.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I think they have the right to change the fixed week chart but they just never exercised this in the past. Since the majority of fixed weeks sell for the last two months of they year coinciding with an increased point chart, they decided not to leave money on the table.

Wonder if DVC is trying to reduce those purchases? Maybe they are having second thoughts as once your a FW owner you never have to worry about point chart increases. So now they want to capture that by upping the required points, which looks to cover many, many years of point chart increases.

 

[Lorana]

Seeing the updated fixed week chart for sold out CCV made me fall off my chair and spit out my coffee.

Right??
Does make me wish we had followed through with adding on FW #49, though!

still you can’t even buy my FWs anymore (CCV Studios, RunDisney Week #44, Thanksgiving Week most years #47, 1st Week of December most years #48). Each was only 118 points.

 

[Royal Consort]

Wonder if DVC is trying to reduce those purchases? Maybe they are having second thoughts as once your a FW owner you never have to worry about point chart increases. So now they want to capture that by upping the required points, which looks to cover many, many years of point chart increases.

DVC have rarely sold many FW. The highest proportion of FW exist at VGF and RVA respectively. My first instinct was the same as yours: attempt to disincentivise FW. On reflection I am not sure that FW sell significantly well to warrant them disincentivising it. My guess is that DVC want to squeeze the most from prospective buyers. The plan over the past few years has been to readjust peak periods by increasing the points during fall season. Buying FW during this time had been a way of hedging against that. No longer.

Buying a standard studio FW at RVA has been one of my best DVC moves. I did it as I anticipated the points chart would increase in coming years but I didn't predict they'd change the FW charts too! The week already costs more points (well over and above the 10% premium I paid at the time). The same FW is now prohibitive in comparison.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Right??
Does make me wish we had followed through with adding on FW #49, though!

still you can’t even buy my FWs anymore (CCV Studios, RunDisney Week #44, Thanksgiving Week most years #47, 1st Week of December most years #48). Each was only 118 points.

And should we ever sell these fixed weeks ( I own week #49 @CCV) I would think these should command a premium on the resale market.

 

[Robert Stoddart]

And should we ever sell these fixed weeks ( I own week #49 @CCV) I would think these should command a premium on the resale market.

I wonder if those will get taken in ROFR and then resold with the new premiums.

 

[Sandisw]

I wonder if those will get taken in ROFR and then resold with the new premiums.

If FWs are taken in ROFR, they don’t stay a FW so points just go back into the bucket to sell.

 

[got4boys]

Right??
Does make me wish we had followed through with adding on FW #49, though!

still you can’t even buy my FWs anymore (CCV Studios, RunDisney Week #44, Thanksgiving Week most years #47, 1st Week of December most years #48). Each was only 118 points.

FYI, not my listing, but there is one on one of the resale sites - it is listed for 118 points. You just have to click on the listing to see that it is a fixed week.

 

[Robert Stoddart]

If FWs are taken in ROFR, they don’t stay a FW so points just go back into the bucket to sell.

Good to know, so then will Disney be more aggressive with buying back legacy fixed week contracts? Obviously we won't know for some time, and a small sample size but could be interesting.

 

[Duckbug.Ducktales]

Buying a standard studio FW at RVA has been one of my best DVC moves. I did it as I anticipated the points chart would increase in coming years but I didn't predict they'd change the FW charts too! The week already costs more points (well over and above the 10% premium I paid at the time). The same FW is now prohibitive in comparison.

Same! We have week 48 in standard studio and I'm so glad. We split our contract between FW pts and non-FW pts, the latter is 130 pts. In retrospect I wish we had made the 130 also a FW. Oh well.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Good to know, so then will Disney be more aggressive with buying back legacy fixed week contracts? Obviously we won't know for some time, and a small sample size but could be interesting.

This will tell the direction DVC wants to take concerning FW. Fastest way to dissolve it…..ROFR it.

 

[iluvthsgam]

I have been working on some analysis of the "Favorite Week" options at VGF2 and wanted to post some interesting observations. First I looked at four weeks I was interested in and went back and looked at the old point charts to see what the weeks would have cost just straight booking (not fixed week). I did 2018-2023. This is all for a standard view studio.

	2018​	2019​	2020​	2021​	2022​	2023​
Week 47	125​	144​	144​	152​	154​	164​
Week 48	125​	125​	125​	128​	135​	152​
Week 51	213​	199​	171​	159​	148​	132​
Week 52	153​	167​	195​	217​	234​	234​

Also compared the Disney selling point cost of the fixed week in 2017 compared to 2022 for these weeks.

Week 47: 2017 (158) 2022 (180)
Week 48: 2017 (138) 2022 (167)
Week 51: 2017 (204) 2022 (257)
Week 52: 2017 (199) 2022 (257)

A few takeaways:

• The week 51 fixed week at new VGF2 looks like a total rip off. It will cost 148 points in 2022 and 132 points in 2023, yet Disney is charging 257 points for it. Maybe this is just because of the way Christmas falls for 22/23, but it looks like a huge difference right now. I can't calculate 2024 and forward points because the charts are not out yet. Even the past highest cost (213 points in 2018), that should only be ~ 234 points for the fixed week.
• The difference to buy the week from 2017 to 2022 shows how dramatic the increase in the points chart has been. Buying the fixed week in 2017 has paid dividends in the form of fixed point cost against the large point chart increases over the past six years.
• The 2022 fixed week costs for weeks 47-48 are based on the points cost in 2023, which has a big jump over 2022.

I am not very interested in a fixed week. I don't think I would use all days Sunday to Sunday. But, I was considering buying 200-300 points and thought it can't hurt to also have the fixed as (1) a buffer to future point chart increases and (2) possibility to rent out. Does anyone have an opinions on the most desirable fixed week to rent? I was thinking 47 for Thanksgiving or 51 or 52 for Christmas or New Years. Any others I should consider?

Also, if you buy a fixed week, can that be split into multiple contracts? I.e., if I buy week 47 for 180 points - can that be made up of two contracts of 100 points and 80 points? Or only one single contract? Thinking if I want to break it up and sell smaller contracts down the road.

 

[got4boys]

Do you have the summer chart comparison for the previous years? I can't seem to find it. It looks like it is being allocated for 2023. mid summer, like maybe July 4th week or something similar? How many points has it been through the years?

A fixed week contract needs to be the amount of points the contract is for. You cannot break it up. It is deeded as that week.

 

[Sandisw]

Good to know, so then will Disney be more aggressive with buying back legacy fixed week contracts? Obviously we won't know for some time, and a small sample size but could be interesting.

I still think overall price would be a big factor. When the charts for FW go up, the difference is on DVD to cover the shortfall. So, if a 118 week is now 140, that means it costs DVD 22 extra points a year (in a sense).

I would assume they would look at the contract being a 140 point contract then and go from there. Or, no matter price, buy it anyway to save them from having to shell out any future points for shortfalls.

 

[jennypenny]

I am not very interested in a fixed week. I don't think I would use all days Sunday to Sunday.

They can shorten the reservation for you. They have to get a supervisor to do it so they can hold the room while they convert the points, but it can be done thereby guaranteeing at least part of the week for you.

note: You won't save many points doing it, and if the point requirement goes up significantly, it might make sense to hold the entire week and just check out early.

Also, if you buy a fixed week, can that be split into multiple contracts?

no

We bought week 45. At the time we looked at CCV (118 pts for a studio) and RR (130 for a studio). We opted for RR, which we're very happy with, but I'm kicking myself that we didn't buy both since both have increased to the point where they're above the purchase price as far as point requirements.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I have been working on some analysis of the "Favorite Week" options at VGF2 and wanted to post some interesting observations. First I looked at four weeks I was interested in and went back and looked at the old point charts to see what the weeks would have cost just straight booking (not fixed week). I did 2018-2023. This is all for a standard view studio.

	2018​	2019​	2020​	2021​	2022​	2023​
Week 47	125​	144​	144​	152​	154​	164​
Week 48	125​	125​	125​	128​	135​	152​
Week 51	213​	199​	171​	159​	148​	132​
Week 52	153​	167​	195​	217​	234​	234​

Also compared the Disney selling point cost of the fixed week in 2017 compared to 2022 for these weeks.

Week 47: 2017 (158) 2022 (180)
Week 48: 2017 (138) 2022 (167)
Week 51: 2017 (204) 2022 (257)
Week 52: 2017 (199) 2022 (257)

A few takeaways:

• The week 51 fixed week at new VGF2 looks like a total rip off. It will cost 148 points in 2022 and 132 points in 2023, yet Disney is charging 257 points for it. Maybe this is just because of the way Christmas falls for 22/23, but it looks like a huge difference right now. I can't calculate 2024 and forward points because the charts are not out yet. Even the past highest cost (213 points in 2018), that should only be ~ 234 points for the fixed week.
• The difference to buy the week from 2017 to 2022 shows how dramatic the increase in the points chart has been. Buying the fixed week in 2017 has paid dividends in the form of fixed point cost against the large point chart increases over the past six years.
• The 2022 fixed week costs for weeks 47-48 are based on the points cost in 2023, which has a big jump over 2022.

I am not very interested in a fixed week. I don't think I would use all days Sunday to Sunday. But, I was considering buying 200-300 points and thought it can't hurt to also have the fixed as (1) a buffer to future point chart increases and (2) possibility to rent out. Does anyone have an opinions on the most desirable fixed week to rent? I was thinking 47 for Thanksgiving or 51 or 52 for Christmas or New Years. Any others I should consider?

Also, if you buy a fixed week, can that be split into multiple contracts? I.e., if I buy week 47 for 180 points - can that be made up of two contracts of 100 points and 80 points? Or only one single contract? Thinking if I want to break it up and sell smaller contracts down the road.

Awesome analysis!! The first two weeks of December have been the most in demand ( week #48 and #49). You can’t go wrong owning those weeks. I chose week #49 as it doesn’t roll into the end of Thanksgiving ( which can happen in some years with week #48) , airfare is cheapest during this week and lower crowd levels.

 

[J-Dog]

Is the FW point increase an indication that Disney actually does read these boards?

Considering that everyone (including myself) has been bragging on the Dis about how great of a deal they got with a FW compared to the regular point chart, maybe Disney thought, "well, we need to put a stop to this"...