Al Zarqawi "knew what hit him".

[transparant]

There are many that think if we just leave them (the terrorists) alone, they would leave us alone when in fact, it's the other way around

Exactly.

 

[Anewman]

We can only protect our borders as much as the ALCU types will allow. We can't profile, it's racist.

Not racist, but who would you profile.

Take all the act of terrerism in the US over the last 30 years.
Serial arsonists(include church burnings)
ALL BOMBINGS(including mail bombs, abortion clinics and FEDERAL BUILDINGS)
Product tampering(remember tylenol)
Mass shootings(may as well include SNIPERS)
ETC...

what does a terrorist look like?
It is not racist to support profiling, it is racist to focus on only the acts of terrer based on the race of the perps and ignore all the acts of terror carried out by other races.
Now that Bin Ladens group has shown other terrorists that planes can be used as weapons(and other tactics), I dont think it is impossible that other terrorist groups may have looked at bin ladens tactics and considered them efficient.

 

[chernabog]

NightOwlKY, it's funny how you're continuing political drivel and Bush Administration bashing, while in another thread you talked about how mamby-pamby the Reagan adminsistration made you feel while you were in school.

Wasn't it Reagan who sent missles into Libya after a connection was discovered between Libyan terrorists and a german nightclub bombing? And wasn't it the during Reagan Adminisitration the the Iran-Contra affair (scandal) took place? Even though Reagan and then vice-president Bush claimed ignorance in the deal, you can't tell me that that leader of this country had no idea that arms were being sold to Iran to secure the freedom of Americans being held in the Middle-east and then those funds turned over to Contra guerillas fighting the Sandinista Nicaraguan government.

Btw, it was also Reagan who oversaw the largest and most expensive escalation in military spending during peacetime. And don't get me started on his Strategic Defense System.

I guess what's good for the goose just isn't quite as good for the gander, is it?

I've said my piece and I'm not going to get drawn into a political argument on these boards because it appears that you've read every government and, maybe even, anti-government related article ever written (aside from The Turner Diaries) and claim to be an expert on fixing the government. Maybe you should direct your energies on a political office rather then spending time on a Disney site that was intended for fun rather than an angry government sounding board!

I'm sure that I'll get flamed out for this! But it I'm the son of a Korean War veteran and I stand by this country - right, wrong or indifferent - and just irritates me when people go all "Dixie Chicks" on the government!

 

[eclectics]

I'm sure that I'll get flamed out for this! But it I'm the son of a Korean War veteran and I stand by this country - right, wrong or indifferent - and just irritates me when people go all "Dixie Chicks" on the government!

Nothing wrong with that at all. No flames. I just hope that sentiment would extend to a Democrat run White House, Senate, and House. I've heard others who spoke the same sentiments but were reluctant to extend their unyielding patriotism to a government not run by the party of their choice.

 

[notnothin]

NightOwlKY, it's funny how you're continuing political drivel and Bush Administration bashing, while in another thread you talked about how mamby-pamby the Reagan adminsistration made you feel while you were in school.

Wasn't it Reagan who sent missles into Libya after a connection was discovered between Libyan terrorists and a german nightclub bombing? And wasn't it the during Reagan Adminisitration the the Iran-Contra affair (scandal) took place? Even though Reagan and then vice-president Bush claimed ignorance in the deal, you can't tell me that that leader of this country had no idea that arms were being sold to Iran to secure the freedom of Americans being held in the Middle-east and then those funds turned over to Contr guerillas fighting the Sandinista Nicaraguan government.

Btw, it was also Reagan who oversaw the most largest and most expensive escalation in military spending during peacetime. And don't get me started on his Strategic Defense System.

I guess what's good for the goose just isn't quite as good for the gander, is it?

I've said my piece and I'm not going to get drawn into a political argument on these boards because it appears that you've read every government and, maybe even, anti-government related article ever written (aside from The Turner Diaries) and claim to be an expert on fixing the government. Maybe you should direct your energies on a political office rather then spending time on a Disney site that was intended for fun rather than an angry government sounding board!

I'm sure that I'll get flamed out for this! But it I'm the son of a Korean War veteran and I stand by this country - right, wrong or indifferent - and just irritates me when people go all "Dixie Chicks" on the government!

Someone just got owned!

 

[Anewman]

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Nevermind not my fight.

 

[chernabog]

My sentiments would extend to Democrat, Republican, Conservation, Green Party, whoever. I stated earlier, not sure if it was this thread or another, although I'm registered Republican, my vote is always for whoever I feel is going to do the best job.
Do I feel Bush is doing the best job? No, not all the time! But I also look at how a leader is defined at a time of crisis and I look back at those days following 9/11 and how he, along with others, kept this Nation focused and together. When you work in a law enforcement job, having a strong leader is an essential and important quality and that's what I continue to look at with Bush, despite his shortcomings!

 

[JoeEpcotRocks]

My sentiments would extend to Democrat, Republican, Conservation, Green Party, whoever. I stated earlier, not sure if it was this thread or another, although I'm registered Republican, my vote is always for whoever I feel is going to do the best job.
Do I feel Bush is doing the best job? No, not all the time! But I also look at how a leader is defined at a time of crisis and I look back at those days following 9/11 and how he, along with others, kept this Nation focused and together. When you work in a law enforcement job, having a strong leader is an essential and important quality and that's what I continue to look at with Bush, despite his shortcomings!

Well said.

 

[sodaseller]

NightOwlKY, it's funny how you're continuing political drivel and Bush Administration bashing, while in another thread you talked about how mamby-pamby the Reagan adminsistration made you feel while you were in school.

Wasn't it Reagan who sent missles into Libya after a connection was discovered between Libyan terrorists and a german nightclub bombing? And wasn't it the during Reagan Adminisitration the the Iran-Contra affair (scandal) took place? Even though Reagan and then vice-president Bush claimed ignorance in the deal, you can't tell me that that leader of this country had no idea that arms were being sold to Iran to secure the freedom of Americans being held in the Middle-east and then those funds turned over to Contra guerillas fighting the Sandinista Nicaraguan government.

Btw, it was also Reagan who oversaw the most largest and most expensive escalation in military spending during peacetime. And don't get me started on his Strategic Defense System.

I guess what's good for the goose just isn't quite as good for the gander, is it?

I've said my piece and I'm not going to get drawn into a political argument on these boards because it appears that you've read every government and, maybe even, anti-government related article ever written (aside from The Turner Diaries) and claim to be an expert on fixing the government. Maybe you should direct your energies on a political office rather then spending time on a Disney site that was intended for fun rather than an angry government sounding board!

I'm sure that I'll get flamed out for this! But it I'm the son of a Korean War veteran and I stand by this country - right, wrong or indifferent - and just irritates me when people go all "Dixie Chicks" on the government!

Don't forget the Beirut barracks bombings, in which Iranian sponsored Hezbollah killed 283 Marines. Reagan was so outraged he retaliated against . . . Granada, while bugging out of Beirut, while the French retaliated by bombing the Bekaa. Then he showed the Iranians he meant business by selling arms toi them, in order to arm the aforementioned Contras, in violation of the Constitutional separation of pwers, as part of a Central American policy that coddled and covered for those that massacres villages, raped and killed nuns and killed priests that took the Gospels seriously

 

[sodaseller]

I'm sure that I'll get flamed out for this! But it I'm the son of a Korean War veteran and I stand by this country - right, wrong or indifferent - and just irritates me when people go all "Dixie Chicks" on the government!

It would be my hope that most of us would not support our govenment when it does wrong, that we would answer to a higher moral code

 

[Charade]

It would be my hope that most of us would not support our govenment when it does wrong, that we would answer to a higher moral code

"wrong" is in some cases a relative term. I don't think it was wrong to invade Iraq or drop the bomb in WWII.

I think it's wrong to have unrestricted abortion.

 

[JennyMominRI]

"wrong" is in some cases a relative term. I don't think it was wrong to invade Iraq or drop the bomb in WWII.

I think it's wrong to have unrestricted abortion.

Where do we have unrestricted abortion? ( in the US?)

 

[sodaseller]

"wrong" is in some cases a relative term. I don't think it was wrong to invade Iraq or drop the bomb in WWII.

I think it's wrong to have unrestricted abortion.

Are you suggesting no wrong has ever been done in our name? To use an example from above, Roberto D'Aubisson ordered the assasination of Ignacio Ellacuria and five other Jesuit priests in San Salvador who were speaking out for the poor. Recently declassified documents have shown that we had some foreawarning and we also knew he was responsible, but stifled theinvestigation. Sen Jesse Helms later welcomed him to Congress despite being briedfed on his role in various death squads.

Do you support that?

 

[chernabog]

Exactly. Because this country has been in the business of wrongdoing since the Indian peace treaties and the Civil War.

Fortunately, I don't fashion my moral code after the government (see - Thomas Jefferson, William Jefferson Clinton, Sen. Gary Hart, Rep. Gary Condit, Clarence Thomas and NJ Gov. William McGreevey, just to name a few)!

 

[JoyG]

Don't make me regret getting into this. I can't speak for Honu but I can try to answer your questions.

You can't compair Al Zaquawi's life to that of Kennedy's or King's and you know that. I don't think anyone is saying that the world isn't a better place without Al Zaquawi in it. But I don't understand the Hip Hip Hooray attitude over killing someone.

If it were my family, yes I think I could use deadly force as a last resort. It it were me or him, of course. I think that is justified, just like I think al Zaquawi's killing is justified. But I certainly wouldn't rejoice at my actions.

How does that make us better than them? We were all horrified at Moussaoui's rejoicing and lack of remorse. People were discusted at his attitude. How is when discussing al-Zaquawi's death any better.

I don't take the killing of any human being lightly. In this case, I think it was necessary but I do no rejoicing.

I'm a born again christian. I'm a republican who vote for Bush twice. I support the military...they are called to do an important job for this country. And I agree with everything you said.

I have been reading this thread and the last one trying to understand the "football game" mentality that has been going on. I am pleased this terrorist is out of commission.

I don't need to know he was "emotionally tortured" in the end by seeing the faces of our troops taking him out. In the end it doesn't matter if he knew we did it or not, the end result was the same. Our troops did their job. We are not out there to torture people, or give them that one last jab before they die...

I don't understand why people are rejoicing that anyone is dying and wishing said deaths were worse than they were. I just don't see anything happy at all about being in a war or about anyone dying. It's tragic that this is going on in the world.

I praise the Lord that he has called men and women who are willing to fight for this country and I pray that he can bring them home safely and quickly. I just can't get happy about any of this. And, I'm tired of seeing his dead face plastered all over the TV.

 

[nightowlky]

NightOwlKY, it's funny how you're continuing political drivel and Bush Administration bashing, while in another thread you talked about how mamby-pamby the Reagan adminsistration made you feel while you were in school.

Wasn't it Reagan who sent missles into Libya after a connection was discovered between Libyan terrorists and a german nightclub bombing? And wasn't it the during Reagan Adminisitration the the Iran-Contra affair (scandal) took place? Even though Reagan and then vice-president Bush claimed ignorance in the deal, you can't tell me that that leader of this country had no idea that arms were being sold to Iran to secure the freedom of Americans being held in the Middle-east and then those funds turned over to Contra guerillas fighting the Sandinista Nicaraguan government.

Btw, it was also Reagan who oversaw the largest and most expensive escalation in military spending during peacetime. And don't get me started on his Strategic Defense System.

I guess what's good for the goose just isn't quite as good for the gander, is it?

I've said my piece and I'm not going to get drawn into a political argument on these boards because it appears that you've read every government and, maybe even, anti-government related article ever written (aside from The Turner Diaries) and claim to be an expert on fixing the government. Maybe you should direct your energies on a political office rather then spending time on a Disney site that was intended for fun rather than an angry government sounding board!

I'm sure that I'll get flamed out for this! But it I'm the son of a Korean War veteran and I stand by this country - right, wrong or indifferent - and just irritates me when people go all "Dixie Chicks" on the government!

Yeah, because we all know our opinions and knowledge never change over a period of time.

I've learned a lot about what occurred in Central America in the 1980s (esp. courtesy of "Death Squads" Negroponte and the infamous School of the Americas). Doesn't change how I felt back in the 1980s when I was but a teenager and there were no 24-hr news channels and no internet.

As for you being the son of a Korean War vet, um, so what? My ex-father-in-law is a Korean War vet (USS Manchester) and he despises this administration and its treatment of returning vets more than I. If it irritates you when people go "Dixie Chicks" on the government demanding accountability and truth, well, I recommend you get over it as dissent is also patriotic and will NEVER go away. If it does, then we've destroyed the very essence of this nation. Or perhaps you're unaware of how this country was founded.

And, believe me, I have thought of getting into politics at the local level as an Independent or perhaps Reform Party member but I have other priorities in my personal life at the moment.


As for Zarqawi, his death won't have any effect on the situation in Iraq. Until the US pulls completely out, there will always be an insurgency (that's the very definition of fighting against an occupying foreign force)

 

[Charade]

Are you suggesting no wrong has ever been done in our name?

Of course not.

To use an example from above, Roberto D'Aubisson ordered the assasination of Ignacio Ellacuria and five other Jesuit priests in San Salvador who were speaking out for the poor. Recently declassified documents have shown that we had some foreawarning and we also knew he was responsible, but stifled theinvestigation. Sen Jesse Helms later welcomed him to Congress despite being briedfed on his role in various death squads.

Do you support that?

No.