AKV price increase over SSR

[Dean]

Does anyone have any idea how much the other resorts (BCV, OKW, BWV etc.) will be raised to, right now BCV, BWV and VWL is $95 a pt.

My guess is they won't raise them but we will see.

As for the 15% increase limit, it only applies to maint but not to taxes and the like if I recall correctly.

I agree with this. Remember that AKV, once completed, is going to be BIG...smaller than SSR and OKW, but not much smaller than OKW. They cannot make it too much more costly or it really will be an issue. When a resort is that large, the 11 month window becomes less important. If it is easy to get in at 7 months (which I think it will be once all sections are complete) then there is little incentive to own there when you can get in at 7 months and own cheaper points elsewhere. Thus, it won't make sense for the buy-in and dues to be astronomical.

My 2 cents for the day....

True but it will have a later expiration date rumored to be 2057 but safe to say at least as long as SSR. As such it will be the only DELUXE LOCATION that expires after 2042. I doubt AKV will be easy to get into at 7 months and if they have special room categories as some think, those will be almost unattainable for those that don't own there. It would be little bigger than BWV where about 40% of the units must be reserved at 11 months out to have any real chance of success (I know there are isolated exceptions).

 

[NoKatMom]

I know that I'm off the beat here a bit but our guide did tell us that they would begin selling AK before it was actually ready to open and that they would need to find something to entice people to buy into a resort that they would not be able to use for awhild.

 

[Dean]

I know that I'm off the beat here a bit but our guide did tell us that they would begin selling AK before it was actually ready to open and that they would need to find something to entice people to buy into a resort that they would not be able to use for awhild.

They always do this, usually about 4 months or so. Otherwise it'd set empty for several months until members could buy in and plan visits there. It's likely they will start to accept reservations from existing members for the Fall, I'm guessing Sept to Oct about the time sales start. The 7/11 month windows will apply.

 

[dumbo71]

My guess is they won't raise them but we will see.

As for the 15% increase limit, it only applies to maint but not to taxes and the like if I recall correctly.

True but it will have a later expiration date rumored to be 2057 but safe to say at least as long as SSR. As such it will be the only DELUXE LOCATION that expires after 2042. I doubt AKV will be easy to get into at 7 months and if they have special room categories as some think, those will be almost unattainable for those that don't own there. It would be little bigger than BWV where about 40% of the units must be reserved at 11 months out to have any real chance of success (I know there are isolated exceptions).

Deluxe location? My guess is that you mean a DVC Resort associated with a Deluxe WDW Resort. I hope you meant that because the LOCATION is far from "deluxe."

The rest I agree with more or less. The special category rooms will always book up and require the 11 month booking. We are assuming they will have categories at this point also. The only rooms with actual animal views may very well be those rumored concierge rooms. Time will tell.

I still maintain that if the price per point AND dues is significantly higher this will be the toughest sell of any on site DVC to date.

 

[dumbo71]

Actually the guide was probably doing the EXACT same thing this whole thread and all of the others are GUESSING! Disney hasn't given the guides detailed information on costs etc yet because Disney is very good about keeping the details tight until the proper legal steps are compelted for the sale. There were just as many rumors about SSR and probably half of them were true and half weren't

I completely agree and thanks for putting it into better words.

I should have stated that I don't agree with the guides SPECULATION.

Sometimes people take these guides specualtions as the gospel and many times they are less informed than we are.

Looking forward to seeing how right or wrong we all were.

 

[Dean]

Deluxe location? My guess is that you mean a DVC Resort associated with a Deluxe WDW Resort. I hope you meant that because the LOCATION is far from "deluxe."

The rest I agree with more or less. The special category rooms will always book up and require the 11 month booking. We are assuming they will have categories at this point also. The only rooms with actual animal views may very well be those rumored concierge rooms. Time will tell.

I still maintain that if the price per point AND dues is significantly higher this will be the toughest sell of any on site DVC to date.

I do mean that IMO certain resorts have better locations than others and that The haves are BCV, BWV, VWL & AKV with the have nots (in relative and comparable terms) are SSR & OKW for on property options. Of course it's all relative and not a knock per se against any resort esp since I included my favorite in the have nots (OKW). I think there is a fair amount of pent up demand for AKL and that compared to SSR, it will be an easy sell. Then it will likely be the only thing selling for a while. If they can sell out SSR at over 800 units in far less time than many thought it would take, they can easily sell a resort that will have far more demand.

Obviously anyone who buys should compare price vs reward and there is a price where it makes sense to take your chances at the 7 month window. As a rule DVC resorts haven't had enough spread in price to make that an appropriate reason to buy elsewhere as the only issue unless you couldn't or wouldn't plan more than 7 months out anyway.

 

[diznyfanatic]

This might be a really stupid question but AKV is kind of a new concept DVC and we are new members, so I apologize in advance if it is.

As has been speculated here, there may be two types of AKV accomodations...DVC villas in the Main Lodge and DVC villas in a separate, stand- alone building. The two types may or may not have similar amenities.

If you purchase during the first phase which would have you "owning" in the Main Lodge, will you still have Home Resort advantage at the 11 month window to book stays in the new, stand-alone building and vice versa?

The reason that I ask is because it is speculated that the Main lodge will offer concierge, while the other will have larger rooms, so just wondering if members will be competing with ALL AKV owners at 11 months or only those members who purchased in the same facility to get the type of room they want?

Or, do you think it will be all one resort for Home Resort purposes and the demand for either type will be a wash?

 

[dumbo71]

This might be a really stupid question but AKV is kind of a new concept DVC and we are new members, so I apologize in advance if it is.

As has been speculated here, there may be two types of AKV accomodations...DVC villas in the Main Lodge and DVC villas in a separate, stand- alone building. The two types may or may not have similar amenities.

If you purchase during the first phase which would have you "owning" in the Main Lodge, will you still have Home Resort advantage at the 11 month window to book stays in the new, stand-alone building and vice versa?

The reason that I ask is because it is speculated that the Main lodge will offer concierge, while the other will have larger rooms, so just wondering if members will be competing with ALL AKV owners at 11 months or only those members who purchased in the same facility to get the type of room they want?

Or, do you think it will be all one resort for Home Resort purposes and the demand for either type will be a wash?

The 11 -7 month rules will apply to all owners. You don't own a specific building with DVC although they may be selling one unit or building at that moment. They may have to document it that way but you own a right to use at that resort and the booking guidelines would apply the same to all owners. It isn't like some Timeshares where you "own" unit 306 building A and stay there each and every year. (I'm sure you know that just giving an example.)

At 11 months all owners of AKV could book any of the categories open. Concierge rooms would simply require more points to book.

Hope this makes sense.

 

[Dean]

This might be a really stupid question but AKV is kind of a new concept DVC and we are new members, so I apologize in advance if it is.

As has been speculated here, there may be two types of AKV accomodations...DVC villas in the Main Lodge and DVC villas in a separate, stand- alone building. The two types may or may not have similar amenities.

If you purchase during the first phase which would have you "owning" in the Main Lodge, will you still have Home Resort advantage at the 11 month window to book stays in the new, stand-alone building and vice versa?

The reason that I ask is because it is speculated that the Main lodge will offer concierge, while the other will have larger rooms, so just wondering if members will be competing with ALL AKV owners at 11 months or only those members who purchased in the same facility to get the type of room they want?

Or, do you think it will be all one resort for Home Resort purposes and the demand for either type will be a wash?

Assuming it actually ends up being one resort, you'll have the 11 month window for both and any options there. If they decided to make it two separate resorts, then you'd only have the priority for the one you owned in with the points applicable to that portion. IMO making them separate resorts has advantages but the indications are that it will be one resort.

 

[pogopossum]

the first phase opening this fall will be concierge service replacing the rooms on the concierge level at the lodge now. it gives dvc a new type of accomadation to offer at a higher point per night. the stand alone villas will be like existing resorts. therefore the point per night price for the concierge will probably be the most expensive for a dvc resort, i would expect the non-con villas to be priced along the lines of a preferred view at bwv.

as far as buy in price i would expect something closer to $110 per point.

 

[diznyfanatic]

Thanks for the responses, dumbo71 and Dean. I appreciate your help.