air fare rant

Philadisney

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ADRs are made, POFQ is booked, MYW tix are bought, even our return trip on Thursday night has been purchased. But i just can't get a decent nonstop fare from PHL to MCO on Saturday morning, May 20th, to save my life!!! We are looking for something less than $100 but everything is either at night, a flight with stops that would involve us leaving at 6AM and double the flight time, or $300!! we saw a $69 fare a lonnnng time ago and didn't take it cos we thought we could do better. now i'm kicking myself and ready to take anything that comes to under $100 with taxes. :sad2: arrrrrrrrrrgh!!! am i crazy to be holding out? airtran had 2 perfect nonstop flights that morning that we were waiting for to go on sale (they were around $140 each), now one appears to be sold out, and the other only has business class left at $300. what a pain! :badpc:
 
We are booked on Airtran for our trip 5/15-5/19 and I booked at the $79.00 each way. I booked this right after Christmas. My sister thought she might like to join my mother and I so l looked this weekend and the flight down is still $79.00 but the flight back is now up to $299.00 so she changed her mind.
If you keep watching Airtran the rates do change day to day.
I recommend waiting for Southwest to open up their flights, hopefully that will be this week or next.
 
Airlines can't make money flying everyone from the NE to FL for under $150 R/T.

Southwest, and other airlines, are doing a better job (from their perspective) of limiting, or even eliminating, discounts on peak flights that would sell out without offering deeply discounted seats. Sat am N/S flights are probably the most popular flights to MCO. You may have to pay more, be more flexible or be lucky.

You might book a SW flight, pick the fare you want, and then hope you can change your flight when/if a DING/internet sale comes out.
 
The rates go down all the time, just keep checking (a lot). We had a similar situation from Denver to MCO. The flights before Christmas were around $1000.00 for 4 (non-stop) which was pretty decent. Then they went up dramatically ($1400.00) I was so upset, I was literally kicking myself also. Then I check again and they went up AGAIN another $300.00 ($1700.00) I was furious.

They went back down to $1400.00 the next day and I booked it right away. About a week later, Frontier (which I've never flown) had the same times and non-stop flights for $800.00.

You can just never tell.

I would HIGHLY recommend downloading Southwest Airlines "Ding" if you haven't already got it. We were searching for flights to Las Vegas this weekend (2/18) and couldn't find anything for under $350 EACH! I was searching for flights when I heard "Ding" I clicked on it and I got 2 round trip tickets, Non-stop to Vegas from Denver for $177.20 (INCLUDING TAXES & FEES) I was thrilled!!

Keep an eye out and good luck!
 

We also leave from PHL...Here's a couple of ideas for you:):

Would leaving the day before be an option?
I checked Southwest, and on Friday, May 19th. there are 3 direct flights from PHL to MCO at the $79 fare. (they depart at 12:45pm, 6:06pm & 8:30pm).

If that won't work for you, then you could also fly into Tampa. (We've done this a few times, as it's about an hour from Disney.)
I again checked Southwest for your preferred departure date of Saturday, May 20th., and Tampa's wide open at the $69 fares!

Of course, you'll need a rental car from a company that's at both TPA and MCO.

Good Luck,
Mark
 
I think airfares fluxuate right up to the day the flight is scheduled to take off. I paid for two one-way flights for next week just a few days ago. I made the mistake of checking Sidestep today because I wanted to see that the flights were all now twice as expensive, and to my chagrin, the flights have actually dropped in price by as much as $40 per person from the price I got. And this is for flights in 7 days.

Getting the best airfare is like timing the market. Sometimes you get lucky and sometimes you panic and don't get the best deal.
 
Have you considered widening your airport choices? We live in southern Kentucky, and Lexington is an hour closer to us than any other major airport. However, Louisville and Nashville (Southwest locations) both beat the pants off Lexington for pricing, and for scheduling convenience, so we usually travel the extra hour, save hundreds of $$$ and are pretty pleased usually.
 
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thanks everyone for all the advice. i think i'm going to hang in there and keep my eye on Air Tran & DING, and the second something decent comes up I'll go for it instead of hesitating. Unfortunately our dates are not flexible due to my job & DBF's school schedule, and since we live 20 minutes from the Philadelphia airport it doesn't make sense to travel to another airport where the flight might be a bit cheaper but we'd have to pay for parking. it really helps to hear that many people have seen flights fluctuate so drastically, i will keep my eye out. thanks!!!!!
 
RIGHT NOW you can book SWA for $79.00 O/W from PHL to MCO on Saturday afternoon. I know it's not Saturday morning, but it's nonstop. . . and what do you want at this point for $79.00?
Can't beat SWA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cool1:
 
I just saw a total of 175.40 RT for 2A on SW for Saturday May 20 at either 7am or 8:40am.
 
If you wait too long, and are unlucky, the lower fares on the later flights may also be gone. I'd probably book the best available flight with SW and hope a fare sale will allow you to improve your flight times.
 
Lewisc said:
If you wait too long, and are unlucky, the lower fares on the later flights may also be gone. I'd probably book the best available flight with SW and hope a fare sale will allow you to improve your flight times.

do you mean book the FLIGHT i want, and hope it goes on sale later, and get refunded the difference? or do you mean book the PRICE i want, and hope a better flight goes on sale later, and switch flights? are either of those options possible without penalty from SW? :confused3
 
Philadisney said:
do you mean book the FLIGHT i want, and hope it goes on sale later, and get refunded the difference? or do you mean book the PRICE i want, and hope a better flight goes on sale later, and switch flights? are either of those options possible without penalty from SW? :confused3

Either option will work. Which is more important to you price or flight time? The flights you want may never go on sale. It sounds like your price sensitive so I'd book the price you want and hope to change to the flight you want. If you do the reverse and the flights you want don't go on sale the discounted fare may sell out on the other flights and you'll be stuck with the higher fares.

Try to book a flight for one person, if there aren't enough discounted fares for everyone in your party the computer will quote the higher price for everyone.
 
Lewisc said:
Either option will work. Which is more important to you price or flight time? The flights you want may never go on sale. It sounds like your price sensitive so I'd book the price you want and hope to change to the flight you want. If you do the reverse and the flights you want don't go on sale the discounted fare may sell out on the other flights and you'll be stuck with the higher fares.


very good point. while the pricing is important, what's more important is that we get a nonstop that leaves philly in the morning. so what i am going to do (assuming DBF agrees) is book a SW fare that is $138 one-way each. am i correct in understanding that if that flight comes down in price i can get a refund for the difference? how about if the other morning flight goes on sale - can we switch with no penalty? i had never heard of an airline doing anything like that but was so impressed when SW completely refunded me for the bonehead mistake i made last week. we are lucky in that our goal price was under $200, and this purchase will put us at $225 each. so it's not a huge chunk of change that we are quibbling over - i even offered to cover DBF's extra $25. fifty bucks is a small price to pay for peace of mind!! :hippie:
thanks so much for your advice everyone, for me booking the flight is really the most stressful part of the trip :badpc: i'm not a fan of taking chances!
 
Also, maybe look at Spirit out of AC. I know its not PHL, but it's not too far.

My DH decided he wanted our WDW trip to be Sunday to Sunday this summer...... I booked early, at about $185 RT, because the Sunday flight home is often NOT that cheap anyway...... (on Song out of JFK, now it will be Delta I guess)

Good luck, I know I relax alot once air is set.
 
thanks - a few others have recommended trying AC, but i don't think it would be cost efficient as we live so close to PHL that we can just take the train there for $7 and not worry about parking costs or anything. i learned that although i would not be refunded the difference of the SW flight if the price changes, i would get a credit back, and appearantly the credit is transferable? that is certainly better than nothing.....
 
This may not be a popular post, but it is a reflection of a growing reality.
Travelers will need to get used to paying more for an airline seat in 2006, experts warn. Even as fuel prices have begun to drop in recent weeks, fuller planes have emboldened carriers to get over their fears of raising ticket prices.

Some carriers have increased fares $3 to $10 on selected routes in recent weeks. And some analysts predict that the days of $39 fares are coming to an end. "Airlines are realizing they can't keep selling tickets for a loss. Expect to see those cutthroat, under $100 fares double by the end of the year," said Terry Trippler, an analyst with cheapseats.com.

The price hikes mark the reversal of two trends that have bedeviled the industry for several years: Rising jet fuel prices have been blamed for dragging down airline earnings and wiping out profits, while fierce competition has prevented many carriers from boosting fares to offset the jump in fuel costs. "Even if there are no fuel price increases, I expect we will see more ticket price increases," Trippler said.

Fuel prices, while coming down, remain more than 50 percent higher than in 2004. Despite the slight decreases, even relatively healthy carriers continue to feel pressure on their bottom lines. Southwest Airlines, the only large carrier to post a profit last year, recently raised fares up to $3 each way. The ticket prices of other carriers also are creeping upward.

If fuel prices surge again, fare increases will be more dramatic. But even if fuel costs continue to drop, ticket prices are unlikely to move in the same direction, Trippler said.
Deciding when to raise fares, and by how much, is a balancing act, said Gary Kelly, Dallas-based Southwest's chief executive. Southwest has become the model for discount carriers, providing numerous flights a day to its destinations and low fares. It has been able to keep fares down because Southwest locked in prices for much of its fuel needs years ago.

That effort, known as fuel hedging, is the envy of the industry. This year, Southwest has more than 70 percent of its fuel needs hedged at $36 a barrel for crude oil. The price on the open market slipped below $60 a barrel Tuesday. Thirty percent of Southwest's needs are subject to fluctuations in the market, Kelly said. Future fuel needs also continue to be a challenge. Southwest has much smaller hedges in place in the coming years. By 2009, just 30 percent of its fuel requirement is hedged.

The hedges allow Southwest to put in gradual fare hikes "instead of having to make a big, huge sticker-shock-type step change in order to remain profitable," Kelly said.

Competitive pressures

His airline also is subject to the pressure of competitors trying to undercut its prices.
"Every year, I would assume, and I really mean that word, that we would think about fare increases," Kelly said. "Obviously, the more modest we can make them, I think the more successful we will be in actually realizing the fare increases."

Some of Southwest's competitors, particularly large airlines, are more confident about raising fares because demand is high, and planes are more full. The chances of having an empty middle seat next to you are becoming less likely. On average, flights are at nearly 75 percent capacity, up slightly from a year ago, said Roger King, aviation industry analyst with research firm CreditSights.

Several carriers that are reorganizing in bankruptcy, or who recently emerged from court protection, dramatically reduced their domestic capacity, lowering the number of seats available to travelers. The result has been more crowded planes and more demand for available seats, King said. "More people means higher prices," he said, "because there's more demand."

Fixed costs don't change

Operating a plane requires a myriad of fixed costs that do not change whether the cabin is filled with passengers or nearly empty. A pilot, first officer and flight attendants still are needed. The expense for the plane, mechanics, baggage carriers and others stays the same. Once an airline makes enough to cover its fixed costs, revenue increases can boost the bottom line.

"Higher revenues and lower fuel costs is a recipe for improved financial performance in the airline industry," said Jake Brace, United Airlines chief financial officer. "Having said that, the fuel price we're starting from is exceptionally high, and we have a long way to go to get the kind of financial results we really need. "It's headed in the right direction, but we have a lot of work to do. That's why we keep a focus on fuel conservation. We're going to keep a focus on getting our non-labor costs even lower."

United and other carriers have focused efforts on reducing fuel consumption, including taxiing planes at airports on a single engine or carrying less reserve fuel on flights.
Excess weight has come off of aircraft, antennas that weren't needed removed to reduce drag and more training done with mechanics, pilots and dispatchers to emphasize fuel-efficient operations, said United Capt. Jim Barnes, the airline's manager of operations efficiency. Steps taken go as far as regularly washing the compression section of some aircraft engines. That saved nearly $1 million in fuel costs through the first nine months of last year, Barnes said. "It's a little like washing your car engine," he said. "But in a jet engine, we found it can actually improve fuel efficiency."

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Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune
 
we ended up taking a flight that left a bit later (10:50 AM, gets there at 1:30) on SW for $138 each. I found out (through you wonderful people on the DIS!) that if this flight goes on sale later i'll be able to get a transferable credit for the difference that i can use anytime in the next year, so that definitely helps. this brings us to $50 more than i had wanted to spend on flying, but hey, $50 for peace of mind if OK with me now! thanks everyone for listening to my rant and offering some great advice :goodvibes
 














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