Agree to Disagree! DISUnplugged Show March 22!

Today's show led to a 'spirited' debate (begins at 12:43 in the video below) about Disney and putting a price tag on everything. There was definitely a difference of opinion on whether Disney is excluding many from participating fully by restricting or 'charging' for experiences that used to be a part of the 'magic' at Disney.


Resort Fees, Preferred Parking, After Hours Events, Preferred Seating etc has caused a great divide...

What are your thoughts on all these change$?

I'm not here to offer my personal opinion, but I wanted to say that I really appreciated the debate amongst the podcasters on the March 22 episode. Everyone was passionate about their ideas, but also articulate and respectful of each other. I enjoyed the discussion and would just like to say thanks to the podcast team for expressing their opinions in a honest, spirited manner.
 
That new $149 MK party is scheduled on nights that MK doesn't have EMH so it's got me thinking that they're not at all looking to take that away from Resort Guests, but to add the option (for a cost) for those staying off property.

My question is the new $149 MK party causing the MK to close earlier than normal? If not currently, how about in the future if this new party is
successful? If it's successful (and you know it will be) then Disney will start double dipping (two ticket sales in one day). Lessening the
amount of hours to the day guest would be insulting.
 
One of things I wrote yesterday in chat was: "If I want to ride all the rides with no wait, I'll show up at Rope Drop, not pay an additional $150", but that's me.

I thought a point made here about the Photopass photographers claiming sole rights to a photo area was excellent. Limiting access...that seems to have struck a chord with everyone as seen here in a recent Unplugged episode.

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Part of the issue was the rude manner in which the CM handled it but it begs the question is Disney going to continue to extend it's control on more and more of your experiences to generate revenue??

I don't remember Pete or Kevin mentioning on that episode if they complained to guest services about the rude behavior of these CMs. If they
didn't complain then Disney can't do anything about it.
 

So I have a problem with the fact that they took the fp viewing areas away and a problem with the way that it was dismissed so quickly by Kevin yesterday. I respect Kevin and I understand where he's coming from. However, it really bothered me that he kept trying to talk over Teresa (I can't be the only one who noticed this?) and she didn't get to express her thoughts as fully. I heard a lot more about what Kevin thought than Teresa and I wanted to hear them more equally.

I am okay with there being premiums for experiences. I've paid for the fantasmic dining package, I understand dessert parties and I have no problems with fireworks cruises (I was fortunate enough to be able to go on one thanks to the generosity of a fellow DISer). My problem is when the only two options are wait two hours on a curb or pay for a spot. There are tons of people who don't have the money to pay for that extra expense or the ability to wait two hours on a curb and the fastpass viewing area really allowed people who couldn't pay and couldn't wait to make the choice to use one of their passes for an attraction for that purpose instead and that was a service to everyone.

However, without that option it's now really a crappy situation. We took a large family trip this past November and used the fastpass option for the parade and it was a Godsend. My mom and Grandma physically couldn't sit down on the curb or stand in a spot for two hours. I'd like to see anyone managing to get kids to sit still for that long either. Nor did I want to take away my Aunt and Uncle's time with their kids or force my brother and his fiance to wait for that time to get the best experience. Obviously, my wife and I could have done it. We could not save seats for 9 other people though. Let's be realistic, no one is on board for that. The fastpass option really gave people with large families and limited time (who didn't want to use fastpasses or couldn't use them for the bigger attractions) a good option to save some actual time and still get the top notch experience. That's my problem with the doing away with things.

If people are willing to pay extra for something, fine, but give people a free option as well that's worth something. Fantasmic is split into stand-by, fastpass and paid dining packages and I fully agree with that program and was happy for a while Wishes had those options too.

You weren't the only one. It not only happened to Teresa, but to Kathy and Steve, also. And this wasn't the only episode where this has happened.
 
I agree with the article, but I don't believe that the article states that orcas are better in captivity.

I think a bigger issue than orcas in captivity is the condition of our oceans.

Agreed on the condition of our ocean.

But the line you quoted from the article says "they are thriving". That to me sounds all rosy and happy when most people think other wise. I don't know dude, this is a article coming from a guy who sounds like he is still a company man IMO.
 
As much as it will kill my bank account if they did this in Disneyland, I would pay for it. The crowds drove me insane on my last trip. I completely understand where everyone is coming from. I also agree that it is sad. But it is the nature of the beast.
 
I may be able to sum up what Steve was trying to say (despite being steamrolled over by Kevin, who I adore and generally agree with)...

I don't care what others spend their money on. If someone wants to spend $150+ tax on this event, more power to 'em. My issue, is MY issue...it's a feeling. I'm becoming disenchanted and disgusted with Disney for even offering all these add-ons. It's not jealousy...I have no desire to participate and we could afford to if we wanted. It's just tiresome seeing the corporate bloat and money grubbing all the time now (especially when some of these things used to be free). It's probably not a rational thought. Feelings are often not rational. This offering of Disney just FEELS gross to me.

That and it worries me where the company is headed.
 
I may be able to sum up what Steve was trying to say (despite being steamrolled over by Kevin, who I adore and generally agree with)...

I don't care what others spend their money on. If someone wants to spend $150+ tax on this event, more power to 'em. My issue, is MY issue...it's a feeling. I'm becoming disenchanted and disgusted with Disney for even offering all these add-ons. It's not jealousy...I have no desire to participate and we could afford to if we wanted. It's just tiresome seeing the corporate bloat and money grubbing all the time now (especially when some of these things used to be free). It's probably not a rational thought. Feelings are often not rational. This offering of Disney just FEELS gross to me.

That and it worries me where the company is headed.

I spent some more time thinking about this and I think that is the issue and the fact that this is a concern for people is making them feel less excited or "magical" about a trip to WDW - especially where it is taking thing that used to be free and now charging for them

In and of itself it is a huge thing to take away the parade FP+? Maybe to some but not to others - but that is something that was offered as "free" to every guest and now that is no longer being offered, presumably to have a premium option to pay to be there

And with these extra evening and now morning hours to pay for - I think people that feel they do their research and know the benefits of Rope Drop, etc., it can feel that now that is being taken away in exchange for people that can pay more to have that

So while everything is totally "fair" it is still lessening the experience for some (or at least has the potential to) and for many of us Disney is very important and full of many happy memories - and is something we don't want "lessened"
 
I spent some more time thinking about this and I think that is the issue and the fact that this is a concern for people is making them feel less excited or "magical" about a trip to WDW - especially where it is taking thing that used to be free and now charging for them

In and of itself it is a huge thing to take away the parade FP+? Maybe to some but not to others - but that is something that was offered as "free" to every guest and now that is no longer being offered, presumably to have a premium option to pay to be there

And with these extra evening and now morning hours to pay for - I think people that feel they do their research and know the benefits of Rope Drop, etc., it can feel that now that is being taken away in exchange for people that can pay more to have that

So while everything is totally "fair" it is still lessening the experience for some (or at least has the potential to) and for many of us Disney is very important and full of many happy memories - and is something we don't want "lessened"

I'm hopeful that those who wish to throw money at this WILL. That means, those of us who love the 'game' of RD have a few less people to deal with in the parks in the mid morning hours. I think what you'll find is that people who advise on tour planning will direct you to or away from certain parks like they do now with EMH. It'll have to play out, but the AFTER HOURS program MIGHT draw you to that park for touring in the morning and then move you to another park in the early evening as there will be a greater influx of guests in early evening on an After Hours Nights, or maybe not:) It's a wait and see on park planning with some of these changes.

Please keep in mind, I'm a hypocrite so there is a greater than zero chance that I throw money at this...I'll have to write a trip report for that :)
 
I've read through 10 pages of comments and through all the enraged comments about how disgusted you are, how disappointed and how sad it all is, there's 2 points that didn't get brought up until halfway through page 5, and one not at all:
1. You're all enraged and sad about something that HASNT EVEN HAPPENED YET. They haven't taken away your PM EMH, this is separate to that. Y'all are stressed and worried about something that might not even happen.
What if the once a week hard ticket events are on says that MK didn't even have EMH?
Edit: I wrote this as I was reading through and the lovely and talented queen of magic and pixie dust, Ms @WebmasterJackie pointed out that they're NOT on PM EMH nights.
2. DLPark only has magic mornings a few times a week. I know that's not how WDW works and y'all are pissy that something is being taken away from you, but who's to say that IF this "replaces" PM EMH, that they won't offer 2 hours of AM EMH?
Petes mentioned it many times: what if they extend to 20 or 24 hour days? Maybe this is part of that plan?
AM EMH extended to start at 6am or 7am and the paid PM EMH?
That thing is: we don't know!!
Don't get your knickers in a twist over something that hasn't even happened yet, it's not worth the wrinkles and grey hairs ;)
don't use that in the advertizement for the meal, and then after you get there say there is an extra charge if you want that.
the thing is... How often do you see small children skipping down Main Street, with no crowds, hand in hand with Mickey?
That's in the advertisements (or things of that nature) so isn't this the same thing?
Kevin is married which i was incorrect about but I don't think he has young children. Someone will surely correct me if i'm wrong. If they are older he is removed and detached from what I think Steve's point was; how do families make this work if its something they want to do is a valid one.
As Kevin mentioned, neither he nor Steve have children.
Families don't HAVE to go to Disney. If they can afford it, fine, but if they can't, tough cookies.

There are tons of people who don't have the money to pay for that extra expense or the ability to wait two hours on a curb and the fastpass viewing area really allowed people who couldn't pay and couldn't wait to make the choice to use one of their passes for an attraction for that purpose instead and that was a service to everyone.
The fastpass areas are relatively new, maybe 2-2.5 years I think?
People waited on the curb for two+ hours before that...

Let's say all four parks stay open until 9:00 p.m. every day to guests (doesn't matter if you're staying on-site or not) every day of the year.
Disney now changes the closing time to 7:00 p.m. and they add a $149 ticket to go to the parks from 8:00 p.m. to 11:00 p.m. Would that make
you happy that you, as a day guest, have lost 2 hours each day in the parks? (I'd be p*ssed.) Would you then go purchase that $149 plus tax
ticket for 3 more hours in the park? (I wouldn't.)
Up until a few weeks ago, someone coming in say, January, has far fewer park hours available to them than someone in July.
They paid the same amount for their ticket. Do you think that makes the January guest happy?
And sure, the July guest paid more for their resort room (presumably) but you don't need a resort room to enter the parks. You need a ticket. The same ticket Mr/Mrs January bought, for less time in the parks available to them.

Life isn't fair peeps, we don't all get a participation trophy in life (one of my new favorite Kevin quotes!!)
 
The fastpass areas are relatively new, maybe 2-2.5 years I think?
People waited on the curb for two+ hours before that...

I believe FP started in 2005. (edit - sorry you meant the parade viewing:)

For what it's worth, I think most people enjoy 'speculating'. It bides your time as you plan for your next adventure.
 
I believe FP started in 2005. (edit - sorry you meant the parade viewing:)

For what it's worth, I think most people enjoy 'speculating'. It bides your time as you plan for your next adventure.
Sorry, I wrote the "FP areas", as in, the wishes area.
Those weren't around back in '05 were they? I plead ignorance on this one, I haven't been a Disney parks fan that long but I went in 2014 just after MB and FP+ were introduced and I thought the parade and fireworks areas were new FP additions?

Also, speculating is one thing, stressing and complaining is another
 
Sorry, I wrote the "FP areas", as in, the wishes area.
Those weren't around back in '05 were they? I plead ignorance on this one, I haven't been a Disney parks fan that long but I went in 2014 just after MB and FP+ were introduced and I thought the parade and fireworks areas were new FP additions?

Also, speculating is one thing, stressing and complaining is another

No you are right; I misread. '05 was start of FP, FP+ came in 2012?, viewing areas evolved since then, but I have no idea when.
 
No you are right; I misread. '05 was start of FP, FP+ came in 2012?, viewing areas evolved since then, but I have no idea when.
I think it was late 2013 for FP+?

EDIT:
According to Wikipedia..... (I know, I know...) AK eliminated legacy FP on December 18, 2013 with the other parks complete by the end of Jan 2014
 
I am only a casual Disney visitor so take this with a grain of salt. I have been to WDW 3 times and am currently planning a fourth trip over the course of 18 years (so I do like WDW, but for me it is just a nice vacation, not my happy place). It is a complicated place to experience successfully, so I spend ridiculous amounts of time scouring these boards for information while I am in the planning phases of trips (mostly lurking, sorry!). The people on these boards are always so passionate and knowledgeable about their happy place!

As an "impartial" observer I can see both sides of this debate and even think there is a way for everyone to be right :). So while I definitely agree that Disney has always been a place where you get more if you pay more, the fact is in the past they have been able to do so without alienating at least a portion of their most loyal guests. The changes they are making now seem to be pushing the envelope of what some of their fans find acceptable. These people feel they are getting less, and that is their truth. Perception is reality.

So, maybe Disney's current strategy is actually just more of the same and they can continue on, raking in record profits and just need to change their message somehow. Or maybe they cashing in on all the goodwill they have built up over the years and alienating enough loyal guests to the point where there will be diminishing returns. Are they pricing themselves out of relevance? I don't know, time will tell.

Bottom line, if people feel "less than" or like they are being taken for granted, it likely isn't going to result in them feeling like they had a magical vacation. You can argue whether they should feel that way, but that isn't likely to change their perception. It is why people keep using the word sad. Who the heck wants to feel sad about their vacation, let alone their happy place?
 





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