Advice from a Teacher re: taking kids out of school for Disney

luvdiz2 said:
I also have a question. Who made the school boards the deciding factor in what months the children have school off, i.e. July and August. Why not March and September.
YOU! The school board is an elected body. If you don't like their policies go to the meetings and express your opinion. Run for the board and support canidates who think like you. Ultimatly as a parent and a voter the school board answers to you, but only if you participate in the process.
 
My 2 cents:

I took DD8 out in Sept (first 9 weeks of school) for a week to go to Disney. Would I do it again? Not on your life! It took weeks to make up, even though her teacher was kind enough to give us all the work in advance. There were still lots of things that came up that needed to be done after we returned. It was tough on her (and on me!) to get back to the real world, do the regular work, plus make up all these extras. She also missed some extracuricular activities (a big Christmas play practice) and important photo session for her Christmas play's program book.

All children are different, I agree, but for mine, I won't do it again.
 
luvdiz2 said:
I also have a question. Who made the school boards the deciding factor in what months the children have school off, i.e. July and August. Why not March and September.

The school year traditionally was based on when people were needed to work. If you don't like your schedule, go to the school board. Although individual holidays, etc. are decided by the teachers here.
 
For the OP, camdensmom: Thank you - your statement was well written and offered insight to the other side of vacationing during school time. I believe you were sensitive to, and even supportive of, the families who pulled out their kids for whatever reason so it is a shame you were treated rudely by some. Too bad for them they don't understand forums like DIS are intended for information sharing which doesn't require agreeing to everything, merely being respectful of everyone's opinion and grateful to those who offer their time with good intentions.
That being said I have my own insights to add. Flame away if it makes your day: :rotfl2:

I agree with the poster who stated their school requires them to fill out a form listing educational benefits of the planned absence before even considering approval. So it is not always parents trying to convince teachers that a Disney vacation is for educational intentions. It probably is just a built-in accountability thing so school districts justify excused absences, and rightly so, but IMHO it makes the parents look like scammers.

Funny thing is, our family typically chooses educational activities; we like to visit zoos, science museums and especially cultural events, so the one and only time we pulled my DD out (to use a free cruise credit), I didn't have to invent an excuse.
However, some of the teachers assumed we were lying and laughed off my DD's offer to create a presentation for her class (at their convenience). What a shame because they were actually studying some same things and she could have offered an interesting first-hand peer mentoring.

Your comments, (and some who agreed), regarding expectations, is the most valuable insight. Depending on how many days missed, and the abilitity of the student, parents need to be realistic about what can be made up, and prepared to see their kid's grades drop accordingly. Those in JH or high school are typically most affected since they work at a faster pace.

I struggled with this before pulling my kid out, not because it was important to me, but because it was important TO HER. I felt the vacation would be counter productive if she would stress over it too much.
My DD always makes the honor or high honor student list but has to work her butt off in math to do so, by her choice. So she worked extra hard before the cruise to bring up her percentage to an A range. Still, upon returning, after missing 8 days of school, her math grade dropped to a high C, and another class dropped to a low B; enough to miss the honors list for the first time by about 1/2 a percent.
Because we discussed this possible consequence in advance, her life did not crumble around her. The teachers commended her for the effort as did I and her year end average still fell in the High Honors range. However, she did learn it is not as easy to catch up as she thought it would be. We included her in our decision to vacation during school time this year and she has lowered her expectations for post-vacation time, as well as starting off this year with more diligence to take the pressure off herself later.

And last but not least, I agree with those who commented about teachers not having as much leeway as they used to for creative teaching and/or one-on-one attention to students who need it. Our education system has reverted back to the stone age mentality of "teaching to the test" and increasing overcrowding plus discipline issues in classes is just exacerbating the problem.
May God bless and help the teachers, parents and students who are making every effort to work together for the good of the students! I WILL apologize up front to all the teachers for any extra work created for them merely in our pursuit of family funtime. I will also let them know that my DD is responsible for adhering to any reasonable demands or restrictions that THEY decide is neccessary for a VOLUNTARY absence from school.

I really feel for the kids who have parents that point the finger of responsibility solely at the teachers because that means they aren't getting the support they need at home and are learning by example to shirk their own responsibility.
Maybe my daughter's been blessed with 98% fantastic teachers. But it's more likely that our mutual respect, mutual concern for my daughter's education, and our combined efforts to help her strive to reach her potential, is what has created the best possible learning experience with the public school system we all have to work with.

Thanks again to camdensmom for the insight & "sample letter" and to those who had constructive insight to offer.
 

Thanks Goodoldpal!

Gosh, I was away yesterday and was amazed to see the turn this post had taken. I tried to be very clear in my OP that I don't frown upon families going on vacation. I listed several reasons why they would. My intention was simply to share some insight from the classroom in the hopes that it would be beneficial to some.

The decision to take your child out of school for a WDW vacation is a PERSONAL one. Rather it be for financial reasons, parent's vacation schedule, health purposes (some with respitory conditions shouldn't travel to such a humid place in the summer), special event (birthday, anniversary), time share weeks, or whatever...you have your reasons and they are valid. Heck, if you want to pull your kiddos out of school for a week "just because" that is your choice too. I'm not casting judgement and at no point did I say I personally saw anything wrong with doing so.

It just came to my attention in reading other threads that it might be worth my time to post in the hopes that some parents might benefit. I think the common understanding is that the "right thing to do" is to request all of a student's work ahead of time. If you don't spend time in classrooms then you may not know that this is not logistically possible or even in the child's best interest. If a child has not been taught how to do something then it is unfair to send them off with a follow-up activity to do on the plane or in their hotel room. Also, it has so frequently been stated on here that, "it is only __ grade, he won't miss anything." I felt it was important to note that they are missing things and while it may not effect their academic career as a whole, it can make for a very challenging marking period for a student. Only you know your child.

When dealing with a typical 9 week marking period, one week is A LOT of time. A good teacher will help the student as much as possible in getting caught up. If this is done during class time it is at the expense of other students. If this is done outside of class time it is during a teacher's personal time. Most are willing to do this, but I felt it was important to point out that as parent's (myself included) we need to be appreciative and supportive.

It just seemed that there were so many questions lately regarding the issue of how to address a vacation with the schools and I thought it might be helpful to view things from all angles.
 
... When a student misses school, excused or unexcused, the District loses approximately $28 per day for each absence.

I've been pointing this out for years. When districts get draconian about brief absences with advance notice given, the real issue is almost always the money. If my child's school loses $28 a day for each absence, then fine, I'll write a check. Heck, I'll even double it, so money should no longer be an issue.

BTW, the traditional US school calendar is based on the needs of family farms. July and August, into early Sept, are the times when extra farmhands are most needed, for harvest. If you don't have any farm families in your district, there really isn't a whole lot of reason to stick to that tradition, although in a lot of areas it saves utility money to have the school buildings shut down during the hottest months of the year.
 
We planned a trip for May 2007 back over the summer. I figured being that my girls are in 1st and 3rd grade and we wouldn't be traveling until close to the end of the school year...we should be able to help them catch up on whatever worked was missed. When my oldest was in 1st grade we took her out for a full week to visit family in Michigan. Her teacher was wonderful. She made her a travel journal to bring along and gave me the work she missed. This year my youngest has the same teacher! As far as my 3rd grader goes...we'll see how it all plays out. We're finding 3rd grade to be a very transitional year for her. Things aren't coming as easy or as quickly to her as they once did. I'm hoping since our trip is close to the end of school...things will all work out....we'll see! We want to take them again when they are around 14. I will plan that trip for the early summer, for sure.
 
mitchwebb said:
Here is a portion of a email sent out from our district this year.


As you are aware, compulsory daily school attendance is a requirement for all students ages 6-18. Our Superintendent, ////, along with all District staff, is committed to continuing academic improvement in all of our schools. Daily school attendance fosters improvement in student achievement and the District needs your support in making sure children come to school on a regular basis. When a student misses school, excused or unexcused, the District loses approximately $28 per day for each absence. Although our attendance rate for the district was 96.79% in 2005-06, the 3.21% of the students who did not attend school totaled almost 134,780 missed school days - or $3,784,622 in lost revenue.


I personal never thought of it in dollars and cents but to a school district that is a a lot of revenue.

I see no problem here, hell the schools are so tight when it comes to sending a special needs student out of district to get the services they need. Schools districts doo whatever they can not to lose those funds so it should all balance out in the end. Teachers are lucky to pull 50K, in my district special ed with a MA or above get 52k but if everyone is so concerned then how about te princ and assistant princ, the superin, and all those admin coordinators making 85k and above take a cut on salary to help the district recover those loses.
 
HappyLawyer said:
I see no problem here, hell the schools are so tight when it comes to sending a special needs student out of district to get the services they need. Schools districts doo whatever they can not to lose those funds so it should all balance out in the end. Teachers are lucky to pull 50K, in my district special ed with a MA or above get 52k but if everyone is so concerned then how about te princ and assistant princ, the superin, and all those admin coordinators making 85k and above take a cut on salary to help the district recover those loses.

I've never heard of a super making only $85k.. wow. Our local news just covered this the other night~ in our area it varies from $128k (I think that was the lowest) to some in the upper $150s.
It doesn't make sense to me at all that it's distributed so unevenly :sad2: Teachers deserve much more than they make.

Sorry to de-rail here :blush:
 
While I appreciate the OP's insight, there isn't a chance I'm going to apologize or ask approval from anyone as to what I can or can't do with my own children. School is not the end all be all of the world. As of this year I have been out of school (not counting college) longer than I was in. It's a miniscule part of life and there is no reason to make it bigger than it is.

I'm taking my dd out of school next month for a week. She will be going to her grandparents home while dh and I are on vacation. I sent a note last week very simply stating the dates of her absence and offering to make up any missed work. When my dd is on her death bed I whole-heartedly believe she won't say, "I wish I'd spent more time in school instead of with Momma and Poppa."

As far as an e-mail talking about lost revenue - EXCUSE ME? Lost revenue? And here I thought the purpose was education... While I can certainly understand the need for $$$, not at the expense of family time or a sick child. Where is the line drawn? A kid with a temperature? A kid whose grandmother died? A kid who is stressed to the max and just needs a break? This, and a million other reasons, are why my kids go to private school.
 
Maybe I'm just dumb, but I don't see how a child being out 1 day, costs the school $28.

My work recently sent out an email that says one of our reports costs $400 to generate, so we need to only request it if it is absolutely necessary. All of the managers are now very mindful of requesting this report because they think the $400 actually comes out of their department budget. One of the programmers told me it does not literally cost the dept $400 everytime they request it - they just figured that the time it takes to create the report is $400 per request.

Is the $28/per day similar to that scenario? At work - they would be paying these people to sit at their desks anyway, whether the report is requested or not. I guess theoretically if they are getting fewer requests, they could get rid of some programmers.
 
Deesknee said:
Thank you for expressing your experienced view on this. If I have in my opinions on this subject ever offened you or any other educational professional, pleas accept my apologies.
I always thought teachers would prefer you take the work with you so that your child won't be as behind. I know there are obviously classroom opportunities that they will miss out on, but I thought if they missed out on those and the writing/studing work they would really be behind, therfore making it even harder for the teacher. Pesonally, I hate taking work with us. I have to wonder now, if their 7th gr math teacher giving them 11 sheets of homework for a 4 day absence was trying to get a point across to us. She would have been better off to articulate it. Getting them all done was tough, but they did it. Passed them in only to have her grade 4 (as that's all the class managed to get done.), then threw the rest away.


Funny Deesknee...I wonder if our kids had the same teacher! My son's teacher did that same thing to him when he was out sick recently.
 
Maybe I'm just dumb, but I don't see how a child being out 1 day, costs the school $28.

I believe that some schools get funds allocated to them based on attendance levels. The more students in attendance the more money the district allocates to the school.
 
TJ's Mom said:
dbmarie said:
Disney is fun and I really can't see 2-5 days in a year hurting a child so much that they would drop a whole letter grade.

Believe it or not, it happens more often then you realize. There is a huge difference in a kid missing 2-5 in a row compared to days spread out. I have seen some honors kids (high school) get sick and miss a week and their grade drop from a low A/high B to a D or F. They bomb the test because they have missed the classroom activities and discussions. They get the notes and missed assignments but it is not the same. Plus they are trying to make up 7 classes - that is alot of stress on your kids.


I agree. If a child has a low A or B, one low test score can bring it down a letter grade. Doesn't mean I think you should never take your child out of school for vacation, I just think you should realize this could be a possibility.
 
MarkBarbieri said:
I believe that some schools get funds allocated to them based on attendance levels. The more students in attendance the more money the district allocates to the school.

Actually, I believe all federally-funded (ie. public) schools get money based on pupil attendance, which is one reason so many have instituted these unexcused vacations policies.

BTW--Did you know that in many districts, the one absolute-positive-no-negotiating cause for a teacher's dismissal is failure to keep accurate attendance records? Schools are pretty serious about attendance, period. (When I taught, my attendance book was subpoenaed for a student's shoplifting trial.)
 
To the original OP I loved your letter!! Teachers don't get nearly the credit they deserve!! :cheer2:
To those of you taking your kids out for vacation, be careful about the days your kids miss. When my oldest DD was in 4th grade she got Rocky mountain spotted fever from a tick bite at the end of April. She had missed 3 days earlier in the year due to the flu and then she was out for 11 days due to the RMSF. She returned to school to take the EOG which she scored 2 fours on(highest score possible) She had also gotten straight A's all 4 semesters. 2 days after the EOG's, 5 days before the end of school she relapsed and spiked a temp of 102.7 so I logically kept her home. That day I got call from the school informing me that if she missed one more day of school she would fail. The fact she was under a doctors care didn't matter, the fact she had gotten straight A's and passed her EOG with flying colors didn't matter. State law declare regardless of those things, any student who misses more than 15 days during a school year will fail. :furious: I was forced to send the poor kid to school sick for the next 3 days so she could watch movies and play games.
It was this event that prompted me to consider and eventually decide to home school my kids

My point is check your state's law so if you take your kids out for vacation and then they get sick, you will not end up in the same position we did.
 
I'm not so worried about my boys missing the days (neither have missed a day yet this year), but I sure can feel for those kids whose grades drop after vacation. I am an MBA student and I completed my B.S. with a 4.0 and still have a 4.0. I have a 20 page paper due the week I return from Disney as well as a final exam. I am actually starting to worry now. I once did a final exam from the hospital after giving birth to maintain my GPA, but I'm considering the possibility that this Disney trip may bring an abrupt end to my long run of perfect grades. I guess I should just get over it, but I'm still like those kids who push to get the straight A's. I was one of them then and I'm one of them now. I don't think that will ever change.

I must say, however, that I missed 2-3 weeks of elementary school every year as a child to go to Florida and it never caused a problem. ;)

Ds5 is in kindergarten and I printed him up a bunch of great letter practice pages with Disney characters on them. I've got all the letters they've done so far ready to go so that he can practice his writing. I also got him a new letter game for his Leapster to use in the car on the way down because his letter recognition is one or two letters below average and the constant repetition of the letters in the game may be a good tool to help him. I also keep in mind that he is the youngest child in his class and he is doing exceedingly well in all other areas.

My fifth grader, well...he doesn't do the work even when he's here. He goes to school and pretty much accomplishes nothing. I get more out of him at home. His teacher is a sweetheart and always gives out a week's worth of homework ahead of time, so he will have no problem keeping caught up on the major concepts. He also spends time pulled from the classroom for special services so he is used to missing lessons in one subject or another each day.

I have conferences for both of them tomorrow so I will make any last minute confirmations with the teachers then. This is the first time in six years that ds10 will miss school for a vacation or to see his grandma. My mom usually comes here or we go there in the summer. She offered to treat for hotel and tickets for this trip and there's no way we're skipping it! It would not be in our budget to do this trip with another new baby coming next June, so we need to jump on it while we have the opportunity!

For now, I am off to try to get a jumpstart on this paper (if that's at all possible with an 8 month old!) and I'll just see how it goes. Maybe I should just suck it up now and start getting used to the idea that I might get my first B. Is it really going to be the end of the world? :rolleyes:

;)
 
OP, great points.

We have to write educational on the excuse and list. (The secretary said when I first mentioned our trip or it would not be excused. :confused3 )
 
I do not even have the option of "just going". If I do not get prior approval it is an automatic "0" factored in for the day. Even if they do not have any work due that day, they get the "0". Prior approval for vacations is just not given.
Unfortunately, in Texas it is ALL about funding. My cousin is a school counselor and she said it was over $100.00 per day they miss out on funding. That could make a serious impact on the budget.
We have compromised and plan on taking the last 3 days of school (really barely over 2 since they have early dismissal) off to try to beat the crowds.
Now I am luckly that my kids are all A, B students and have never missed a day since they started school for illness. But, in the past when I asked I got turned down so now we just go after grades are already due in.
 
disneygal33 said:
:furious: I was forced to send the poor kid to school sick for the next 3 days so she could watch movies and play games.
It was this event that prompted me to consider and eventually decide to home school my kids

My point is check your state's law so if you take your kids out for vacation and then they get sick, you will not end up in the same position we did.

That is crazy!! :crazy: :sad2:
 




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