A Word About Line Jumpers

[TinkerBelle_325]

I don't have a problem with those who line jump due to the fact that a mother or father (or someone else) had to change a little one's diaper or that they needed themselves had to go to the restroom. However, for someone to jump like those in those pp's, that's ridiculous. We had a lady line-jumper ahead of us at Splash Mountain last year. She couldn't decide if she wanted to ride or not and then she just got too hot and had to go and sit down. She left the line (we were still making it through the ropes outside) and when her family got close to heading inside the "mountain", she got right off the bench, walk under the ropes, and met her family. They had no children with them and all of them were 30+ years old. That really ticked us off!

The CM's really need to monitor this more often, especially the most popular rides, so that this type of thing doesn't happen (at least as much).

It's Disney - everyone should just enjoy themselves!

I might get flamed for this but I have a problem with ANY line jumping! I don't think that needing to use the restroom is an appropriate excuse, somehow the hundreds of other people in line figured out that you should go BEFORE getting in line and if you have to go that badly, you are going to get bumped. I know it may sound harsh....but I have done this, I've had to use the restroom, left the line and then got back in line AT THE START. My needing to use the restroom doesn't entitle me to skip ahead of other people, I should have gone before.

Not very magical I like to spread out in the queue myself.So if someone tries to snake past, and is obviously line jumping, they have to forcibly move me.

My DDad and I do the same thing! Feet shoulder width apart, hands on hips and elbows out. Have fun getting past me!

For the most part line jumpers don't bother me. But when I am in line and looking at the que area, TSM, and there is a gap between the person infront of us and because we are takeing some quick pics and others behind us find its ok to just pass by us and get in line infront of us I have a huge problem with that. Just because there is a gap does not give you the right to butt infront of us. That happened to us at TSM last year.

I get most annoyed when people intentionally leave like 5 feet of space in front of them. This June I was at Epcot, in line for Soarin (which is the most poorly planned line in my opinion! It is too wide and leaves way too much opportunity for line jumping and butting). The cast members were asking everyone to fill in all available space because it makes the line longer and the wait time harder to predict when people spread out. There was a group of 4 adults in their 50s in front of us and the spread across the line and left like 5 feet of space between them and the people in front of them. They blatently ignored the cast member announcements and it was just irritating. Why are they entitled to more space?

We also encountered a group of 8 people that squeezed through the line saying they were meeting the rest of their party further ahead in the line. Eight people! Well there was a tall, large gentleman beside us...I mean like 6 foor 5 and the size of a fridge who turned to them, arms crossed and said "Well I'm sure they will wait for you when they get to the front of the line" and then refused to let them pass. It was priceless!

 

[pooh's honey]

Something similar happened to my husband and I in November while waiting in line for TSM. Three guys tried coming up from the back of the line and wanted to go in front of me to meet up with their group. The said "Excuse me, we want to get up front" and I said "Sorry no". They then got really nasty and telling me that I had to let them up and the CM said that they could. I told them fine, go get the CM that told them they could, have them come up here and tell me that I HAVE to let you in front of me. The rest of their group was two or three parties in front of us. The front part moved behind us to be with the line jumpers. But it didn't end there, they tried elbowing us and spitting on us and I threatened to call CM and security before they quit it.

If there is a little kid and an adult, I understand that potty emergencies happen and I am more than willing to let those people in front of me.

But I'm sorry having your family go outside and sit because it's hot and then having them come back in line when you get up to the front isn't fair and it isn't right. I am just as hot and I am waiting patiently. When I was a child if I couldn't manage to wait in line (with the exception of potty breaks) then I wasn't allowed on the ride.

If you have a medical condition that requires assistance Disney makes services available for situations like this. Otherwise take care of your bathroom breaks and snack time BEFORE you get in line.

 

[glasslipper]

This happened a lot while we were there this month. It was very annoying. I'm sorry but if you need to go to the bathroom or change a diaper then have the whole family wait for you. The wait times for most rides were insane anyway. Whats it going to take 5 minutes at the most? I've taken 3 kids to Disney for years and never would've gotten in the line unless we were all set to go esp a line with over a 50 min wait. If one of them had to go while in line we would've all gotten out of line. You've planned your trip for months and you can't plan a potty/change break? Not buying it. Flame away.

Also several times people were saying they were meeting up with family and guess what? No family but they were at the top of the line. This was more than aggravating.

I agree that CM's should be seated throughout the lines to stop this from happening. This would effectively deter this from happening. O, I'm sorry you're family is up there, they should've waited for you because you are going to have to wait at the back of the line like everyone else. If not, we are going to enforce the no line jumping rules that are posted and you will be asked to leave the park. Have a magical day!

Well sorry, but I don't see how you can "plan" potty breaks, especially diaper changes? That's kinda funny, ok kids it's 2:00, time to take a dump, . Really that just cracks me up.

 

[grace&philipsmom]

I guess it isn't really line jumping, but two years ago we were waiting for Dumbo. We had made it to the front of the line. While we are waiting the man behind us says to his kids that the blue Dumbo is the best/his favorite color and they had to ride that one. He told his kids to MAKE SURE they got that Dumbo . Well as soon as the CM start letting people through, he and his kids almost trampled my 18 month old to get to the blue Dumbo.

My kids didn't care which Dumbo they got but I would consider shoving aside a toddler to get in front for a certain ride car to be pretty rude - "extreme line jumping"?

 

[vt_disney_fan]

I had a situation when we went in March. We had just finished eating at Sci-Fi, and had FP for TSM (there were 7 of us - myself, DW, DMIL, DS12, DD10, DD3 and DD1). We were right up to the FP entrance, when all of a sudden, I felt that "special" rumbling in my stomach - you know, the kind that occurs right after a meal doesn't "sit" real well with you! So the other 6 get in line, while I head to the bathroom right around the corner.

After I was finished with the business at hand, I returned and got in line with my FP. I didn't cut the line, just got in it at the back. I called my wife on my cell to let her know I was in line, and in fact, they hadn't progressed real far, so I could still see them in the twisting line. I told them I was probably 30 people behind them, or so. Some other folks overheard the conversation, and could see that I was talking to my family who was just ahead, and encouraged me to go up to them. I told them that people have been killed for doing such things in a Disney line. Their response - "you can see your family, it's only a few people. Just do it." I agreed, and went right up. To my knowledge, nobody cared, or at least said anything about it.

Now, what would you have done, had you seen me do that? Would it have upset you? Would you have said something? What if it had been you - would you have went up to your family? They weren't saving me a spot - we were just so close in line, that it made sense for me to just join them.

On a side note, I'm not really concerned if people like what I did or not - just more curious as to whether they WOULD have cared.

 

[cap'njack.]

My DDad and I do the same thing! Feet shoulder width apart, hands on hips and elbows out. Have fun getting past me!

Exactly what me and my Dad do.

In Disneyland Paris I get really, really annoyed at people who think it is ok to push past people in the queue for POTC. Most of the time's I have been it has been a walk-on or a 5 minute wait but people insist on barging past My little 2 year old got tripped over in May by someone trying to push past him...luckily he is a little toughie.

 

[Trish5768]

Well sorry, but I don't see how you can "plan" potty breaks, especially diaper changes? That's kinda funny, ok kids it's 2:00, time to take a dump, . Really that just cracks me up.

Um...let's see. The wait is over 50 minutes, let's go try to go potty before we get in line 9 times out of 10, they do go. As far as diaper changes go, I can't imagine you are going to be waiting for most of these rides with an infant or child who can't possibly be big enough to ride anyway.

 

[glasslipper]

Um...let's see. The wait is over 50 minutes, let's go try to go potty before we get in line 9 times out of 10, they do go. As far as diaper changes go, I can't imagine you are going to be waiting for most of these rides with an infant or child who can't possibly be big enough to ride anyway.

Um..hmm..lets see, I don't know too many people who can crap on demand, but hey if your family can, way to go AS far as the diaper issue, many toddlers are big enough to ride lots of rides in Fantasyland, and they are are in diapers.

 

[glasslipper]

I had a situation when we went in March. We had just finished eating at Sci-Fi, and had FP for TSM (there were 7 of us - myself, DW, DMIL, DS12, DD10, DD3 and DD1). We were right up to the FP entrance, when all of a sudden, I felt that "special" rumbling in my stomach - you know, the kind that occurs right after a meal doesn't "sit" real well with you! So the other 6 get in line, while I head to the bathroom right around the corner.

After I was finished with the business at hand, I returned and got in line with my FP. I didn't cut the line, just got in it at the back. I called my wife on my cell to let her know I was in line, and in fact, they hadn't progressed real far, so I could still see them in the twisting line. I told them I was probably 30 people behind them, or so. Some other folks overheard the conversation, and could see that I was talking to my family who was just ahead, and encouraged me to go up to them. I told them that people have been killed for doing such things in a Disney line. Their response - "you can see your family, it's only a few people. Just do it." I agreed, and went right up. To my knowledge, nobody cared, or at least said anything about it.

Now, what would you have done, had you seen me do that? Would it have upset you? Would you have said something? What if it had been you - would you have went up to your family? They weren't saving me a spot - we were just so close in line, that it made sense for me to just join them.

On a side note, I'm not really concerned if people like what I did or not - just more curious as to whether they WOULD have cared.

Don't you know you are suppose to "plan" for that "special" rumbling!
How dare you cut in line!

 

[danissmart]

I can not think of any reason that line jumping is ok. If you have to get out of line for any reason, and you want to meet up with your group then they have to step aside and wait for you to catch up to them. This has happened plenty of times to my family and we never move forward to meet back up, only backwards. Also we spread ourselves out in the line a little bit, so if someone wants to pass us they really have to effort to do it. I wont start a fight over it, but they will have to cause some commotion to get past, and that can be pretty embarrassing for them, its a little bit of revenge for me I guess.

 

[Shleedogg]

If someone has a little one that they had to change or take to the restroom... fine with me. Otherwise, I don't care about your family being up ahead, I am not letting you by nor do I have to- it's not going to happen, ESPECIALLY in the single rider line. If you don't mid riding single, you can wait single as well.

When someone is coming by going... excuse me, excuse me, I'll just say- nope.

I like your style! (and I'm being serious here, not snarky!)

 

[luv2sew]

I totally understand that "rumbly in your tumbly" thing and that would be absolutely fine with me if you left your line and returned to your family in that same spot, cause that is an emergency that I don't want to be witness to if you can get my drift.
But when we were down last January to WDW we definately saw plenty of blatant line jumping in which the jumpers cell phone was an accessory to the crime. It happened more than I care to think about and that ticks me off. I would like to plan another Disney vacation but am being very careful to hopefully plan when there are no crowds..but that is becoming more and more impossible these days with all the special stuff happening at the parks to draw people to them.

 

[Rip]

The funny part is that it's not going to change, and those of you that can't stand it if someone with a child has an emergency and the entire family doesn't leave are just going to remain angry. I can guarantee you it's not going to make one bit of difference to any of the line-jumpers that you are upset, so you're just hurting yourselves.

I've done it when something came up with the kids, but it really doesn't bother me if others do it for whatever reason. If part of their family is already in line, then in general it's not really going to affect you to any great degree. If they are truly line-jumping - by that I mean that they aren't with a party that is ahead in line - then it's a little irritating, but again, nothing to allow yourself to get worked up over because that's only going to affect you.

As to those that think they would disallow someone to catch up with their family, all the person is going to do is jump under the chain or go under your arm. At that point it would be you that would have to in some way try to forcefully prevent them from going through, and I can pretty much guarantee you that the CM isn't going to take your side in that event. They can always (even if they are lying) claim some sort of emergency and the CM is most likely going to side with them.

 

[MineMail]

I don't have a problem with one or two people (ie. an adult/teen with a younger child) "catching up" with the rest of their family on a line.

I haven't seen the invisible family excuse used at WDW often, but I've experienced it at other parks with teenagers whose families are really at home; they came with their buddies and no supervision, lol.

We also encountered a group of 8 people that squeezed through the line saying they were meeting the rest of their party further ahead in the line. Eight people! Well there was a tall, large gentleman beside us...I mean like 6 foor 5 and the size of a fridge who turned to them, arms crossed and said "Well I'm sure they will wait for you when they get to the front of the line" and then refused to let them pass. It was priceless!

That, I think is the right solution: your group should move back in the line to meet you at least halfway, or wait at the front until you've reached the end of the line.

There are some rides (at other parks) where you have to climb open staircases during the line. I'm terrified of falling from a height - I don't even like to stand by the railing. I hold both railings with a white-knuckle grip. I can't let anyone pass me - it just freaks me out.

We once had six teens try to jump the line and I was an immovable obstacle. Honestly, they had all the look of gang members, but my phobia was stronger than my common sense, lol. "I gotta catch up with my Mom." "Text her and tell her to wave to me so I can see her." lol

We asked to be put in a separate boat when we reached the start, explaining the situation to the ride loader. The gangstas came down well after us because the ride loaders held them up in line. We were already on another ride when we saw them come through the exit.

We've spent the last 2 summers and "Worlds of Fun" in Kansas City. It's not tolerated at all there. If you line-jump, you can expect to be removed from the park.

*sings* Goin' to Kansas City, Kansas City here I come..." Dollywood had no line-jumping when I was there a few years ago. It was refreshing since we had visited a Six Flags park earlier in the season.

No tolerance is the right solution. If a park establishes that policy and enforces it throughout the season, it makes the experience much better for everyone.

WDW should make it very clear to the tour groups that line-jumping isn't allowed. Groups were the most blatant line jumpers during my WDW visit last December. If four want to use the restroom, go ahead and then get on line separate from your group. Four is enough on most rides for an entire car, so what's the need to "catch up" with the tour group? Let them wait for your little group or don't ride if you're afraid of being left behind.

 

[n2mm]

TSM is the worse when it comes to this. We too had an ugly incident this May on this ride. The CMs use to police it on the inside, but now they just don't care and leave it up to us guest. I find this que very stressful because the line jumping is out of control.

 

[polineedyan]

Not that this is a debate, but..suppose you were at work, and had scheduled breaks..what if you worked in a factory where you were not allowed to leave your position until breaktime. how would you handle that special rumbling then?
I think that for the poster who was encouraged to move ahead, i think that that is much more acceptable than other scenarios..however..just because they let you ahead of them, doesnt mean that it was okay for the parties not involved. Like i said in the original post, ive read all the circumstances/excuses..we took 6 to wdw for a week, ranging from ages 3 to 15 and never 'had' to line jump once. we must be unique..
i would wonder how anyone could teach someone potty training WITHOUT a potty schedule..never had any luck (with any of my 4 kids) doing the 'wait till you have to go then RUN to the potty..i honestly cannot believe that we're saying that if an adult doesnt go potty right NOW theyre gonna crap themselves. how many times as an adult have you not made it to a potty..what if you got that special rumbling while the plane was leaving the gate..in the security line?..or if you were standing in line to enter a park..hmm..

 

[OilyStars]

I have no problem with 1 or 2 people joining their family who's already in line.

It's the 1 person waiting in line who summons their family of 4+ to "catch up" with them thats annoying and not fair.

1 or 2 extra people in front of me isn't going to affect me that much, but the 4+ people will make my wait longer.

Good > Bad

 

[MineMail]

Not that this is a debate,

As you said, this is not a debate. Everyone has different body functions; you can't "force" anyone to go on demand. Potty schedules? Really? I thought those went out with the potty seats with restraints. Eeek.

I've taken my kids to the bathroom after a ride and heard them "go." 30 minutes on line with another half-hour wait, "Mom, I gotta go. Again." rings out. Why? Because kids get so excited, they rush to get back to the action and they don't take their time in the bathroom. It happens. I'll take the child to the bathroom and come back or just get in line with the one kid and ride alone if it's something like the Haunted Mansion where the cars are two-person anyway. (Most people don't know how many people fit in a car unless they've ridden before.)

My bigger issue is the size of the group. More than two or three and you should scrap the first ride wait. Even if it's a child, an older person, or a person with an infirmity.

 

[nicolepdonnelly]

I've been lucky enough to have never witnessed serious line-jumping at any park at Disney, or even Universal for that matter. At least not that I can remember. We usually go during slower times of the year, so that might be a factor.
When we used to go to Six Flags Over Georgia growing up, holy cow! The line breakers there were unbelievable. I'm not even talking about people being inconsiderate and holding places for one another in line. I'm talking about groups of teenagers and sometimes adults who would just elbow in and push their way to the front of line. Employees would do nothing, and if anybody dared to say something about it to the line breakers, a fight of some sort (whether verbal or physical) would break out. Only then would security show up and do something.

I saw alot of that too at 6 flsgs in Jersey! It was so sad and upsetting!

 

[MineMail]

Not that this is a debate, but..suppose you were at work, and had scheduled breaks..what if you worked in a factory where you were not allowed to leave your position until breaktime. how would you handle that special rumbling then?

i honestly cannot believe that we're saying that if an adult doesnt go potty right NOW theyre gonna crap themselves. how many times as an adult have you not made it to a potty..what if you got that special rumbling while the plane was leaving the gate..in the security line?..or if you were standing in line to enter a park..hmm..

That's unfair. I know several people with chronic problems that do have these issues. They actually wear adult diapers when traveling for just those situations. The diet change at a theme park can be enough to trigger it and when you gotta go, you gotta go.

As for the work example, if it's a continuing problem, you get a doctor's note and work it out with your supervisor and HR. If it's a one-time situation, a supervisor should be understanding.

One adult rejoining his/her party is okay. If only one is one line, that's not good.