A SEVENTH ship coming to DCL!

[truck1]

Now, his point is that now if the smaller ships do get built, they will be after the new ships are built, which would make them 8, 9 and possibly 10.

If they got built after the improved Dream class yes. But I don't see that happening. I really surprised they didn't build them in place of the Dream, and push the Dream class back.

 

[cruiser21]

I know nothing about the Cruise industry and I've actually never been on a cruise (Disney or Otherwise). But, a Disney cruise is definitely on me and the Wifey's bucket list. Perhaps we'll make it an Anniversary gift to ourselves.

At any rate...

Given the addition of three new ships and increasing the fleet to seven ships...could that possibly mean a price drop overall, as more cruises will be available at any one time? Or is that just wishful thinking?

If they spread the ships out all over the place probably not. I think it was 2014 when they all four ships in Florida for about 6 months. The Magic and Fantasy were doing the same itinerary. There were a lot of GT rates and military rates offered that year.

 

[Quellman]

That was me, prior to the LNG announcement.

Thanks, I updated my post. I love your knowledge and appreciate the time and responses

 

[DynamicDisneyDuo]

What about New York and Galveston? Would that be included in the three new ships? I'd miss Magic if she was in Europe all the time.

Dream or Fantasy maybe, with the other going to the Pacific. It would all depend on what, if any, negotiations DCL has had with Port Canaveral regarding tenancy by the new ships.

 

[Rabb it]

Very cool! I wish Disney Cruise line had a section at D23, I never ended up finding one...

 

[truck1]

Dream or Fantasy maybe, with the other going to the Pacific. It would all depend on what, if any, negotiations DCL has had with Port Canaveral regarding tenancy by the new ships.

I dont think you'll see a named ship at PC in the near future. Unless it's in the new contract. The existing contract expires in 2022. Now it's possible that in 2021 or so DCL starts negotiations and worls.something out, but at the moment there are no ships by name at PC. The contract just states 2 ships with a minimum number of sailings per year.

 

[Dug720]

I dont think you'll see a named ship at PC in the near future. Unless it's in the new contract. The existing contract expires in 2022. Now it's possible that in 2021 or so DCL starts negotiations and worls.something out, but at the moment there are no ships by name at PC. The contract just states 2 ships with a minimum number of sailings per year.

Do you really see them giving up Port Canaveral with the proximity to WDW?

 

[truck1]

Do you really see them giving up Port Canaveral with the proximity to WDW?

No. DCL won't leave. It's too convient. Tampa.doesnt come close to PC for DCLs needs. There'd have to be a major shift in port leadership and a complete shutdown of working with lines before DCL leaves. I'm just pointing out that the existing contract expires in 2023, and at this point, it only states that DCL will maintain 2 ships and a given amount of sailings per year. The part where it said Dream.and Fantasy by name expired I think this year.

Based on past.practice and from what was said after the Dreams.launch well see at least 2 if not all 3 new ships at PC simply because they can pay them off the fastest there.

 

[Dug720]

No. DCL won't leave. It's too convient. Tampa.doesnt come close to PC for DCLs needs. There'd have to be a major shift in port leadership and a complete shutdown of working with lines before DCL leaves. I'm just pointing out that the existing contract expires in 2023, and at this point, it only states that DCL will maintain 2 ships and a given amount of sailings per year. The part where it said Dream.and Fantasy by name expired I think this year.

Based on past.practice and from what was said after the Dreams.launch well see at least 2 if not all 3 new ships at PC simply because they can pay them off the fastest there.

Gotcha. Thanks!

 

[AquaDame]

All I can find is positive articles about that market. What is the problem there? I can see why the Magic would have a problem competing with all the new ships positioned in Asia.

No clue - other posters have mentioned issues, but no clear sources. I'm just ruminating.

 

[Dug720]

Passengers refuse to disembark: https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/...y-removed-royal-caribbean-quantum-of-the-seas

Princess pulls the ship specifically built for the Chinese market from the 2018-2019 schedule and redeploys her to Australia: https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/17047-princess-pulls-winter-program-in-china.html (And per this one MSC did the same thing)

 

[cruiser21]

It sounds like the market is over saturated.

 

[truck1]

Thanks, I updated my post. I love your knowledge and appreciate the time and responses

Anytime

 

[sleepingbeauty17]

Wouldn't departures from San Juan and Southern Caribbean itineraries be a feasible place for a new ship or an existing one to go in the future? They seem to have already tested the market a bit. Seems that it would allow for more Caribbean itineraries which seem to be their bread and butter. Even if they're only there for the winter and go elsewhere like Europe for the summer.

 

[truck1]

Wouldn't departures from San Juan and Southern Caribbean itineraries be a feasible place for a new ship or an existing one to go in the future? They seem to have already tested the market a bit. Seems that it would allow for more Caribbean itineraries which seem to be their bread and butter. Even if they're only there for the winter and go elsewhere like Europe for the summer.

It could. It can also be easily from US ports. Carnival, Royal and Princess do them all the time from FtL and Miami. Carnival I think does them from PC. Either Royal or Carnival does it from PC. I don't remember which off hand.

 

[AustinMommyofThree]

No clue - other posters have mentioned issues, but no clear sources. I'm just ruminating.

I don't think that there are negative issues with the market per se, as it's a rapidly growing one with a growing middle class that enjoys vacationing, it's just a very different market for cruising. Also, keep in mind that Asia is a massive place and what most people mean by "Asia" is "China" and, to a lesser extent, Japan. Chinese cruises tend to focus heavily on gambling, for example, which is distinctly un-Disney, and smoking is culturally acceptable and expected. In other words, if DCL did base a ship in China, and adapted to the expectations of that market, most Americans who travel there for a cruise would be surprised and, possibly, disappointed. It would likely not feel like a traditional DCL cruise just relocated to a different continent.

Here is an interesting--positive and balanced--article about RCCL's experience that gives a good perspective: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article131951214.html

 

[disboardlover]

My guess is similar to this. That they had 2 ships confirmed, but with an option for 3. With how well things are going for Disney and with the interest rates beginning to increase, they decided to exercise the ship and lock in financing for the third ship.

Also, the exchange rate between the US dollar and the euro is very favorable right now, so they may have been able to lock in the price based on current currency exchange rates; since the ships will be built in Germany.

 

[bbel]

I don't think that there are negative issues with the market per se, as it's a rapidly growing one with a growing middle class that enjoys vacationing, it's just a very different market for cruising. Also, keep in mind that Asia is a massive place and what most people mean by "Asia" is "China" and, to a lesser extent, Japan. Chinese cruises tend to focus heavily on gambling, for example, which is distinctly un-Disney, and smoking is culturally acceptable and expected. In other words, if DCL did base a ship in China, and adapted to the expectations of that market, most Americans who travel there for a cruise would be surprised and, possibly, disappointed. It would likely not feel like a traditional DCL cruise just relocated to a different continent.

Here is an interesting--positive and balanced--article about RCCL's experience that gives a good perspective: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article131951214.html

This is what I wanted to say but couldn't be bothered to explain it lol.
I feel at the moment, if they sent a ship to Asia they'd have to adapt it for Asian cultures and ways of life and then potentially disappoint and put off westerners, or, keep the ships traditional DCL and not appeal to the Asian market...

Personally, I'd love to see a ship sail South America before Asia.

 

[cruiser21]

I don't think that there are negative issues with the market per se, as it's a rapidly growing one with a growing middle class that enjoys vacationing, it's just a very different market for cruising. Also, keep in mind that Asia is a massive place and what most people mean by "Asia" is "China" and, to a lesser extent, Japan. Chinese cruises tend to focus heavily on gambling, for example, which is distinctly un-Disney, and smoking is culturally acceptable and expected. In other words, if DCL did base a ship in China, and adapted to the expectations of that market, most Americans who travel there for a cruise would be surprised and, possibly, disappointed. It would likely not feel like a traditional DCL cruise just relocated to a different continent.

Here is an interesting--positive and balanced--article about RCCL's experience that gives a good perspective: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article131951214.html

This article has convinced me I never want to cruise out of China. I'd still like to cruise out of Australia, and I'd love to take a cruise down to Chile. The Chilean Fjords are supposed to amazing.

 

[bbel]

This article has convinced me I never want to cruise out of China. I'd still like to cruise out of Australia, and I'd love to take a cruise down to Chile. The Chilean Fjords are supposed to amazing.

I don't know about the fjords, but Chile itself is one of my favourite places I've ever been, it's an amazing country, well I think that about most of South America haha.