A message that bears repeating

[Jennasis]

She could always lose weight. Unfortunately HE will ALWAYS be an ignorant donkey butt.

 

[FireDancer]

I agree that it is not ok to call anyone a bad role model because of their body. Some people cannot gain weight and remain "too" thin their entire life, I have a son that is this way. It doesn't make them a bad role model.

I do think that in a case such as Kiera Knightly its not so much that she is thin as it is a presumption of what she is doing to be that thin. A person that is rail thin to the point of looking anorexic is assumed to be doing unhealthy things to be that thin. They are going below what their body should actually be and that is part of what gives young girls a bad body image.

Absolutely, 100% but the other way is also true. It is just as bad to go above what you body is supposed to be at as it is below. It is just as bad to do unhealthy things to cause you to be overweight as it is to do unhealthy things to cause you to be underweight. Both should be treated the same but the commentary after a statement about someone perceived to be too thin just isn't the same as it is after the statement about someone perceived to be too heavy. Both are statements about what someone else's body should be and both should be treated the same but they aren't. I find it interesting.

 

[FergieTCat]

Wrong! Nobody should be called out, made to feel bad, etc. because of how they appear. I struggled with my own body image. And then when I lost my weight, my mom called me beautiful. GAG. I was beautiful before, too. And I've been beautiful since. Sure my body has changed over time from me being overweight, to probably being too thin, to being just right, to now having a few pounds to lose.

I think that's what I was attemping to say.

I am just sick and tired of these threads popping up once every few weeks. I'm sorry, but it's derogatory to "discuss" the hows and whys of how other people present themselves. I think some DISers use these threads to make THEMSELVES feel superiorr. How about you spend a day walking in someone else's shoes before you judge them based solely on appearance?

 

[Sanchez]

It's not OK and I am against that as well. We all have different body types. There shouldn't be a focus or fixation on a certain look.

I don't know about fixation, but we should certainly focus on the obesity problem. The statistics are staggering and the myriad of health problems related to obesity need to be considered. Just as we have a responsibility to educate our children to provide them with appropriate opportunity in life we should also teach them a healthy lifestyle. (And this is where someone usually chimes in that even though they are overweight/obese they are healthy.) One can be overweight/obese and have "good statistics" but the percentages are against those body types avoiding significant health problems.

The idea that obesity is an individual problem is deteriorating. As our healthcare system becomes more publicly funded the health choices of others becomes fair game. It will be more common to legislate what we can and cannot eat. We have already seen this with smoking.

With that said, I would never send a letter to another person offering my opinion as to how they should live their life. But that is far different than having an open and honest discussion on the obesity problem. There are too many on this thread and in the world in general who are unable to have that honest discussion.

 

[CdnCarrie]

She could always lose weight. Unfortunately HE will ALWAYS be an ignorant donkey butt.

Amen to that.

 

[Princess Dolly]

I think that's what I was attemping to say.

I am just sick and tired of these threads popping up once every few weeks. I'm sorry, but it's derogatory to "discuss" the hows and whys of how other people present themselves. I think some DISers use these threads to make THEMSELVES feel superiorr. How about you spend a day walking in someone else's shoes before you judge them based solely on appearance?

Ok okay!

 

[luvsJack]

Absolutely, 100% but the other way is also true. It is just as bad to go above what you body is supposed to be at as it is below. It is just as bad to do unhealthy things to cause you to be overweight as it is to do unhealthy things to cause you to be underweight. Both should be treated the same but the commentary after a statement about someone perceived to be too thin just isn't the same as it is after the statement about someone perceived to be too heavy. Both are statements about what someone else's body should be and both should be treated the same but they aren't. I find it interesting.

True. And I don't think anyone should be called out because of the size of their body. And I agree with LuvMy3 in that it shouldn't be assumed that anyone is doing anything to make themselves that thin.

BUT, for a young girl that is of normal weight that looks up to and idolizes Kiera Knightly, trying to look like her idol can be a dangerous thing. Just as it would if the same young girl was trying to look like a Barbie Doll. The fact is that the vast majority of woman in the real world do NOT look like Kiera or a super model, nor will they.

 

[luvmy3]

True. And I don't think anyone should be called out because of the size of their body. And I agree with LuvMy3 in that it shouldn't be assumed that anyone is doing anything to make themselves that thin.

BUT, for a young girl that is of normal weight that looks up to and idolizes Kiera Knightly, trying to look like her idol can be a dangerous thing. Just as it would if the same young girl was trying to look like a Barbie Doll. The fact is that the vast majority of woman in the real world do NOT look like Kiera or a super model, nor will they.

See, its okay for you to say that, but what if Kiera was 200lbs and you said that? You'd be raked through the coals here, and elsewhere.

 

[Kennywife]

Wrong! Nobody should be called out, made to feel bad, etc. because of how they appear. I struggled with my own body image. And then when I lost my weight, my mom called me beautiful. GAG. I was beautiful before, too. And I've been beautiful since. Sure my body has changed over time from me being overweight, to probably being too thin, to being just right, to now having a few pounds to lose. And I've heard all kinds of comments. But really all I want to be is healthy and as long as I am, then that is what matters.

Amen!!!!!!

All women should be celebrated. Calling someone fat never made them want to lose weight, at least not in my experience. All it does is show that the other person/people only feel they need to knock someone down to feel better about themselves.

Hugs to you girl! :group hug:
I have had body issues my whole life, even when I was young.

 

[LisaR]

This was the exact comment posted on FB yesterday by someone I know who is morbidly obese (the video of Jennifer was also linked):

It seems like people that are overweight (fat, obese) are one of the last acceptable groups to target.


I just checked and she had 48 likes and 30 comments heaping praise on her for her posting. There were at least three comments that said, "truer words have never been spoken."

This is what she posted on her FB just two days earlier:

Halloween is just around the corner. A nightmare for thin people. Live a little, embrace life, embrace chocolate. It won't kill you and you might even find you have some extra energy.

She had 56 likes and plenty of, "They just don't know what they are missing" comments.

 

[SaraJayne]

I have 3 children and weigh 5 pounds more than I did when I was married 30 years ago. I eat pretty much whatever I want in moderation including desserts and snacks. If I find that I'm 2 lbs over, I cut back. Today I'm beginning an exercise program. Having babies, unless the pregnancy causes some kind of imbalance, is not a reason to keep the weight.

Good for you.

Not everyone is as lucky as you claim to be.

 

[jujube]

So it's OK to give your opinion on people's body weight (either fat or thin)when you have never met them and have no idea why they are the way they are? Personally, I think it's rude.

And yes, it is derogatory to call someone out for being fat. Moreso than calling them out for being thin. I think we established that as a society years ago. I just watched the Emmy Awards; trust me, there was not one celebrity who was criticized for being too thin. I don't remember Melissa McCarthy being adulated.

It's derogatory either way.

Good for you but not all women are like that.

Studies have shown that men lose weight easier than women.
Studies have also shown that men do less housework/childcare than women leaving them with more free time to workout.
Men don't go through pregnancy or have the fluctuating hormones that can cause women to gain weight.

Men have it much easier in the weight department.

Like what? All I've done is watch what I eat.
Men do have an easier time losing weight. That just means if women want to either maintain their weight or lose it that we have to be more aware. I consider housework and playing with my children 2 of the things that have helped me to stay at a good weight. Shoot, that's a lot of exercise!
To work out my arms, I use canned goods. There's an exercise program called flex breathing which is excellent. I have a bad back and can do this with no problem. It's the program that I'm restarting today. It takes 15-20 minutes and really works. My kids crack up at the breathing technique but so what it gives fantastic results.

I agree that it is not ok to call anyone a bad role model because of their body. Some people cannot gain weight and remain "too" thin their entire life, I have a son that is this way. It doesn't make them a bad role model.

I do think that in a case such as Kiera Knightly its not so much that she is thin as it is a presumption of what she is doing to be that thin. A person that is rail thin to the point of looking anorexic is assumed to be doing unhealthy things to be that thin. They are going below what their body should actually be and that is part of what gives young girls a bad body image.

Maybe she has a thin build and good metabolism. Is it ok for me to make the presumption that the news anchor eats way too much junk food? No, because I don't know how she got heavy.

 

[Princess Dolly]

True. And I don't think anyone should be called out because of the size of their body. And I agree with LuvMy3 in that it shouldn't be assumed that anyone is doing anything to make themselves that thin.

BUT, for a young girl that is of normal weight that looks up to and idolizes Kiera Knightly, trying to look like her idol can be a dangerous thing. Just as it would if the same young girl was trying to look like a Barbie Doll. The fact is that the vast majority of woman in the real world do NOT look like Kiera or a super model, nor will they.

Trying to look like anyone other than yourself is unhealthy, regardless of weight. And her being thin doesn't mean she is unhealthy. And there is more to eating disorders than just looking at a picture or image.

This was the exact comment posted on FB yesterday by someone I know who is morbidly obese (the video of Jennifer was also linked):

It seems like people that are overweight (fat, obese) are one of the last acceptable groups to target.


I just checked and she had 48 likes and 30 comments heaping praise on her for her posting. There were at least three comments that said, "truer words have never been spoken."

This is what she posted on her FB just two days earlier:

Halloween is just around the corner. A nightmare for thin people. Live a little, embrace life, embrace chocolate. It won't kill you and you might even find you have some extra energy.

She had 56 likes and plenty of, "They just don't know what they are missing" comments.

 

[luvmy3]

This was the exact comment posted on FB yesterday by someone I know who is morbidly obese (the video of Jennifer was also linked):

It seems like people that are overweight (fat, obese) are one of the last acceptable groups to target.


I just checked and she had 48 likes and 30 comments heaping praise on her for her posting. There were at least three comments that said, "truer words have never been spoken."

This is what she posted on her FB just two days earlier:

Halloween is just around the corner. A nightmare for thin people. Live a little, embrace life, embrace chocolate. It won't kill you and you might even find you have some extra energy.

She had 56 likes and plenty of, "They just don't know what they are missing" comments.

Looks like thin people are actually the last acceptable groups to target.

 

[SaraJayne]

I heard someone bring up an outstanding point while discussing this whole incident and I thought I'd ask the same question here that he asked.



I don't think any of the three are role models personally but it was a good point that I've mentioned before in other circumstances. It is fine and dandy to call out a thin person for setting a bad example but God forbid you say the same about a fat one. It is not even blinked at when someone tells a thin person (and not even overly thin, just healthy thin) to eat a cupcake once in a while but if someone two feet down tells a fat person to eat a salad once in a while the exact same people who didn't blink at the cupcake comment get up in arms at the salad comment.

Wondering what the DIS thinks about the double standard with both subjects.

Point taken and one I really hadn't considered until now. I do have a double standard when it comes to weight.

Hmmm, seems I need to work on that.

 

[Sanchez]

Good for you.

Not everyone is as lucky as you claim to be.

A bit defensive there. I doubt that the drastic rise in obesity is all about luck or lack thereof, though that seems to be the defense many rely on.

 

[CdnCarrie]

It's derogatory either way.




Like what? All I've done is watch what I eat.
Men do have an easier time losing weight. That just means if women want to either maintain their weight or lose it that we have to be more aware. I consider housework and playing with my children 2 of the things that have helped me to stay at a good weight. Shoot, that's a lot of exercise!
To work out my arms, I use canned goods. There's an exercise program called flex breathing which is excellent. I have a bad back and can do this with no problem. It's the program that I'm restarting today. It takes 15-20 minutes and really works. My kids crack up at the breathing technique but so what it gives fantastic results.



Maybe she has a thin build and good metabolism. Is it ok for me to make the presumption that the news anchor eats way too much junk food? No, because I don't know how she got heavy.

Not every women has the same metabolism.
C-section vs ******l birth can cause issues.
Breastfeeding can increase your appetite.
Some women suffer PPD.
Lack of sleep can hinder weight loss (working moms of young kids......)

Lots of reasons that MANY women gain weight with pregnancy. It's HUGE change to the body that men don't have to go through. And for someone like this Krause to be so snug about weight to a young mom of 3 burns me beyond belief. Yes I'm assuming she put weight on with children. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Very strong chance she did as so many women do.

It's not just about watching what you eat. Working full time with young kids at home doesn't always leave a lot of time to work out.

 

[SaraJayne]

A bit defensive there. I doubt that the drastic rise in obesity is all about luck or lack thereof, though that seems to be the defense many rely on.

You bet I am.

I have PCOS, which makes it incredibly hard to lose weight, even when you're following a sensible diet and exercising like crazy. So yeah, after a few months, when you don't see any results and you're doing everything you're "supposed to", you give up.

Unlike my DH, who decided to drop some weight and took to riding his bike a few times a week, changing nothing else. He's dropped 27 lbs in six weeks.

Stuff like this makes me angry that no matter what I do, I'm still not acceptable to some people, because of what they see on the outside.

 

[FireDancer]

This was the exact comment posted on FB yesterday by someone I know who is morbidly obese (the video of Jennifer was also linked):

It seems like people that are overweight (fat, obese) are one of the last acceptable groups to target.


I just checked and she had 48 likes and 30 comments heaping praise on her for her posting. There were at least three comments that said, "truer words have never been spoken."

This is what she posted on her FB just two days earlier:

Halloween is just around the corner. A nightmare for thin people. Live a little, embrace life, embrace chocolate. It won't kill you and you might even find you have some extra energy.

She had 56 likes and plenty of, "They just don't know what they are missing" comments.

There is a perfect example of what I was talking about. Had that facebook post read:

Halloween is just around the corner. A nightmare for fat people. Restrain yourselves a little, embrace life, turn down chocolate for a change. It won't kill you and you might even find you have some extra energy.

Does anyone think there would be 56 likes? Both of the posts are not really all that different.

Anyway, it was just something I heard this morning and it stood out so I thought I'd bring it here and see what everyone thought.

 

[jujube]

Not every women has the same metabolism.
C-section vs ******l birth can cause issues.
Breastfeeding can increase your appetite.
Some women suffer PPD.

Lots of reasons that MANY women gain weight with pregnancy. It's HUGE change to the body that men don't have to go through. And for someone like this Krause to be so snug about weight to a young mom of 3 burns me beyond belief. Yes I'm assuming she put weight on with children. Maybe she did, maybe she didn't. Very strong chance she did as so many women do.

I had c sections. Metabolism can be changed through exercise. It's kind of like you have 3 students, one doesn't have to study and makes straight As, one has to glance at their notes and makes As and the third student has to really study and gets As. All are A students but it takes a different amount of effort for each of them to achieve the grade.
If anyone, including new mothers, experience depression, they need to get to their doctor. Back when I had my first 2 children, PPD was not recognized by doctors. Now, it is. There's help and I would encourage seeking it. Depression besides making a person feel sad also has a negative effect on metabolism.
Pregnancy without a doubt causes crazy hormonal changes. In some women the hormonal changes would affect the way they gain/lose weight. Some though have the attitude that because they're pregnant, they can eat whatever and as much as they like.