8/17/08 Captain Jack's Repossession Repo Cruise to PC thru TPC #8

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Megan's worried it will rain on her wedding. I told her that she should stress over something she has control of. If it does, we adapt.
Although I do understand a bride not wanting a rainy wedding day.

I have to admit that I shared Megan's fears before my own wedding. In fact, I said that if it rained on my wedding day, I'd cancel the whole thing :scared1: THEN I heard that rain on your wedding day is good luck. I then amended my statement to say ... "A rain shower that does not interfere with anything, but brings us good luck is ok." I stayed back at my parents house for a few minutes w/my maid of honor and another bridesmaid after everyone else headed to the Church. Before he left, my Dad came back to the house and said, "I know you want to hang here for a few with the girls, but don't be too long because it's starting to sprinkle outside." Sure enough I could see raindrops on the walk and the driveway. By the time my girls and I headed out to the limo ... the rain had stopped. I'm sure that Megan's day will be just perfect.

~Kandi
 
HI

I know it is not a big deal .. but it is raining here in Central Florida.........:cool1: :cool1:
 
Except.... that I was completely locked out of DCL (couldn't even see the home page) from here (West Coast), but was able to book succesfully once I logged onto one of our corporate servers (VPN) which is located in Florida!

IP Lookup suggests that the server is located in Washington, which would support this theory.

It's probably more likely that DCL is connected to one of the major backbone providers and they happen to also be your company's main provider so all of the traffic stayed inside their routers. (I do know, in the past, there have been lawsuits over one provider throttling traffic coming into their network, usually because they were fighting over fees).

So, the idea that there are separate networks is true, but it's not split geographically, but by provider.
 
so true..just m~ :thumbsup2 ..you are a good mother..& a great comfort.

a wedding isn't about the weather..its about the 2 families coming together,
sharing something...pixiedust: , by God's hands.


* sometimes..what we think is bad..turns out prefect...with just a lil'
faith. i remember once in the mid-80's..we got "stuck" inside the castle area.
just got there!- :mad: , then all the show's characters came..out, ain't soo
bad?

hey?..where her baby picture? :lmao:
 

I have to admit that I shared Megan's fears before my own wedding. In fact, I said that if it rained on my wedding day, I'd cancel the whole thing :scared1: THEN I heard that rain on your wedding day is good luck. I then amended my statement to say ... "A rain shower that does not interfere with anything, but brings us good luck is ok." I stayed back at my parents house for a few minutes w/my maid of honor and another bridesmaid after everyone else headed to the Church. Before he left, my Dad came back to the house and said, "I know you want to hang here for a few with the girls, but don't be too long because it's starting to sprinkle outside." Sure enough I could see raindrops on the walk and the driveway. By the time my girls and I headed out to the limo ... the rain had stopped. I'm sure that Megan's day will be just perfect.

~Kandi



Awwww....that a sweet story!

I'm hoping Megan's day will be perfect, too.
 
hey?..where her baby picture? :lmao:


Sadly she came along before the digital age. I will have to see if I have some scanned in. She was a BEAUTIFUL baby. Even though the nurses didn't believe she was mine or her dad's. She had a ton of black hair and dark skin. We're fair blondes. :rolleyes1 But then my mother walked in, with her darker hair and complexion and the nurses all said "AHhhhhhh"
 
:yay: ..lil'kids..yes! it's a big deal...& good, :thumbsup2


..it makes..me a lil':sad1: ..every time we lose one our "boys" in
iraq. God bless their families-:flower3:


..i wish...mankind..was smarter...to use a coping skill better than war.
it is bothersome..where are they getting the explosives...hurting our
troops...* i don't care if its iran.,..then we should go after them.
the suppliers not..the "people".
 
OK, so I went to see if my sister was assigned a room for her GTY (no). Then I thought I'd check for brunch/tea availability (no). Then I looked at the cruise plans again. My DH and DS were missing from the eco tour!!!!! And they were there last night before I logged off!!!! It was quite a trick to get all six of us on one tour as I had to book in pairs and kept having to change the time. So I tried to book them again, but it would not let me!!! Called on the phone, and after only a minute on hold, a very nice CM looked into the matter for me. She said in her system that I have the three adults booked; the second person does not need the name in the system. She also mentioned the rasul which I'd forgotten about and wasn't on the screen! So it appears that (for now) it's OK.

So Debi, you should call to see if they have your Palo and it just isn't on your screen.

Oh, and she said that Disney releases all the excursions, but holds back some of the Palo reservations for booking on the ship. But I guess we know that info can be unreliable.... just putting out some hope!
 
well..if i had..hair..i'll be yanking it out! thanks goodness, crash is a
lifesaver...,

...i was minding my own buisness....when all his went down, next thing
i knew...my wife was hollerin.." did you let..that strange..woman on
our reses?!!"....[ thinking..she meant..late dinning with mismce , :rolleyes1 ]

...& in her panic..., i reacted in :scared: & had forgotten about what cheryl
had told..us { not jinixing until after the 90 days mark } . and be her tones
of frustration,i was trying the fastest escape cause..i could....but all i
could get out..was.."crash did it"! whew!...* she thought i was talking
about...crash..in the third person....but i was really thinking "captain".

:flower3:

signs?...logged in...the dcl & when i put..in our reses..our :surfweb:
starts..smoking...?


ps..cheryl..all women..by my wife's pirate: 's eye..are strangers.



well..the way i see it..we're all in the dcl's insane boat....crawling with

pirates, scrondrels, {one or 2 swashbucklers, me & crash. swashbucker?
a pirate doing it for wenches-:thumbsup2 } & a few peanuts.

grace?...our saving grace..are the wenches, :yay:

ps x 2..see? cheryl..no one went for my senior discounts? dwats the
timber?

by the way..when did ...we changes our mas-snot...from monkees to
rats? did something happened...that could restore...our...happiness?

:lmao:

Hi Lil' grumpy......Tell your wife I am innocent. We did not nor will we link anyone until after the 75 day booking excursions for non Castaway people.
I even unlinked with my dining partners to make it less confusing . I still linked with our infamous Laura on the WB so I could get her excursions for her because I knew she would not be in our linked reservations.:goodvibes

I am sorry you had so much trouble. :sad2: :sad2: We were done within a half hour for all five porst and CC.:cool1: The only thing I did not get was the Palo bruch but life will go on.:lmao: :lmao:

I hope your lil sweetie will not think of me as a stranger when we meet but a new found friend.
 
For those who are interested, here's a quick tutorial/speculation on why the DCL servers had such problems last night, and why "fixing it" is a harder problem than you might expect.....

Ultimately, the DCL web site is just a piece of software running on one or more computers. Like any computer, the more applications you try to run, the slower the machine runs.

We can speculate/guess on what a normal load is for the DCL web site.

DCL has about 5000 guests/week (2 ships @2500 each - the wonder running 2 cruises/week offsets the fact that much of the year the ships don't run full).

Call that 260,000 passengers/year.

Not all of those passengers visit the web site (usually one books for the family, but then some have TA's also). Let's say 130,000 passengers on the site/year.

Each one visits the site multiple times, and there are also many people who visit the site who don't book. So let's multiply that by 15 to take that into account. 1.95 million visits/year.

Each visit runs about 8 pages (Alexa ranking), which is 15.6 million page views/year.

That comes down to about 30 page views/minute, or one every 2 seconds.

A powerful server can handle that pretty easily. There's no way to really know how many servers they have, but they probably aren't running a large server farm. Maybe 2-3 machines? All talking to a database backend which is probably something of enterprise grade (Oracle?) and shared with their main reservation system.

So, yesterday night you have about 1800 repeat guests, plus those on the Wonder. Not all of them were trying to book - let's assume there were 250 of us. At 12:01 you had a surge - 250 requests/second. And most of these were heavy requests (logins, reservation lookups, excursion database lookups, etc.). It's not unreasonable to think that the instantaneous load was 500x normal. It's virtually certain that it was at least 100x normal.

So, if you're Disney, what do you do? Do you run a server farm of 100 machines where 98 of them will be idle except for a 3 hour period once in a rare while? Obviously not.

What you do (hopefully) is do some load testing, and add error-checking to your software so that:
A - Errors don't corrupt your database (aka, people start losing confirmed excursions or reservations, people start getting info from other people's reservations, etc.)
B - When errors do occur (timeouts, conflicts, etc) the server dumps connections but doesn't die completely.

I know it's frustrating (I spent almost 3 hours online and ended up having to log in through a remote connection because my machines were completely locked out). But at the same time, it's important I think for people to realize that "fixing the system" isn't a matter of calling a handyman over for a few hours and doing something obvious. Building systems that can handle sudden surges in traffic is a VERY tough problem even if you can anticipate them.

The good news is - things should get better with two new ships coming in. Assuming the DCL IT folks aren't stupid, they know they'll have to scale up for higher average traffic with two new ships. That will also make them better able to handle the surges from one or two cruises. They may also get really smart and build some new systems based on the new computational cloud services that are becoming available (which make it easier to quickly bring on extra capacity).

Ok, enough of lecture mode. I just ran some numbers out of curiousity and in order to avoid doing any real work. It's just that even though I feel the pain of those who didn't get everything they wanted (including my own pain on that score), I think it's important to realize that the DCL folk aren't being negligent or stupid on this. They really are dealing with some extraordinarily complex problems, and the problems we are hearing (being bounced out, missing brunch reservations) are NOTHING compared to the kinds of problems that are possible (scrambled/lost reservations, passengers getting lost or transferred between reservations), etc. - And that those messages we're getting about reservations being locked are not the results of stupidity or carelessness, but rather a sign of the application protecting you from those much worse possibilities.
 
Well, I can only hope they've changed policies since then, or that Andrew is right and it's all operational and we get lucky, or that my other theory is correct - and that it really is up to the Fairy Godmother department to decide, and that we are somehow worthy :rolleyes1 .

I take it you're a repeat patron (yeah yeah yeah ... we all are for the most part)... so may I suggest that IF you happen to be a quad party - and ifyou've got a 12 guarantee then you're CERTAIN to get a catagory 11 since there are NO quads in catagory 12. However, if not a quad and you're holding a catagory 12 guarantee - then you could get anything. However, I tend to think they'll NOT sell every cabin - so there will be a few at least who are lucky enough to get more than they bargained for.

Either that or YOUR cabin will come with coal shovels....

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< wink >​
 
..there's more character-ists than coloring, sooo to say i am
surprise..would be...a fib,

becos...like everyone else already noted, she has her mother written all
over her...my guess..even her hiney, :laughing:

* probably the only way..to tell the difference...are the tatoo's?

:flower3:
 
For those who are interested, here's a quick tutorial/speculation on why the DCL servers had such problems last night, and why "fixing it" is a harder problem than you might expect......

Very interesting...

To add, on new technologies cant you 'compress' applcations so run more on far less servers than before.

They could pay and outside company for back up servers, or just use space on the Disney.Com. or close down bits for a short time.

Or
Stagger the opening dates more, as posted before.

  • CAT 1/2/3 105 DAYS
  • REAS 100 DAYS
  • CC CLUB PALO 95 DAYS
  • CC CLUB TRIPS 90 DAYS
  • REST PALO 80 DAYS
  • REST TRIPS 75 DAYS.

Ensure Wonder/Magic never clash.
 
:wizard: ...not to worry ,crash...we're not left out...even
o'possums are :love: ..by their mothers..............

:thumbsup2
 
Aarrggh! Last night went well for me, but I'm making up for it right now :mad: I checked our return flights on Air Tran and discovered they changed our 1:46pm non-stop flight on Sept 1st to a 10:10am flight with 1 stop!

I've been on hold on the stupid phone for over 20 minutes with truly obnoxious, very loud hold music (the same "song" continuously) and every 30 seconds they say "Please hold and one of our representatives will be with you shortly" (Their definition of "shortly" and mine sure don't match!)

---
Finally talked to someone and they changed us to a 5PM non-stop (I'm not thrilled since that is a long time to spend waiting around the airport). After I hung up, I got the confirmation and it doesn't show seat assignments anymore! Since when I booked in January I paid EXTRA to get seat assignments, I'm now really mad about all this! :mad: I am BACK on hold with the horrid "music"! This was our first time to fly Air Tran in about 12 years or more and right now it is looking like it will be our last.

---
OK - only on hold about 7 minutes that time! They have fixed it. THis is NOT giving me confidence in this airline. I guess I'll have to start checking the reservation regularly.

Pamela
 
On the main forum, people are oposting they didnt know you have to 'confirm' the final unconfirmed bookings, you choose a Palo, or shore trip it goes into a holding list and then you confirm, people have lsot out not knowing there is one more stage to it.

Plus if you lost the link between this process, its dropped.

I learned that one on the Med cruise last year. Was most careful this time.:cool2:


It's probably more likely that DCL is connected to one of the major backbone providers and they happen to also be your company's main provider so all of the traffic stayed inside their routers. (I do know, in the past, there have been lawsuits over one provider throttling traffic coming into their network, usually because they were fighting over fees).

So, the idea that there are separate networks is true, but it's not split geographically, but by provider.

Actually, in this case I couldn't even reach the DCL home page. So my guess is that I was actually blocked by the DCL router. Many routers nowadays have internal software to detect and prevent denial of service attacks. And let's face it - all of us trying to login at once is exactly what a DOS attack looks like. What a router will do in that case is temporarily block the IP addresses that look like attackers. It wouldn't surprise me if others who were bounced ran into this. It also wouldn't surprise me if the DCL IT folk weren't aware or hadn't considered this possibility.

I take it you're a repeat patron (yeah yeah yeah ... we all are for the most part)... so may I suggest that IF you happen to be a quad party - and ifyou've got a 12 guarantee then you're CERTAIN to get a catagory 11 since there are NO quads in catagory 12. However, if not a quad and you're holding a catagory 12 guarantee - then you could get anything. However, I tend to think they'll NOT sell every cabin - so there will be a few at least who are lucky enough to get more than they bargained for.

Either that or YOUR cabin will come with coal shovels....​

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< wink >​

Though not a quad (currently 3 of us), we are in an 11 GTY - so we definitely won't be in a 12. I am hoping for a 10 - We do like the split bath. I'd even be willing to shovel coal for an hour or two in return (good exercise).
 
I ran a couple of semi-scientific polls a few years ago and found 1st time cruisers were more likely to receive a FREE cabin bump from a guarantee. So being a repeat cruiser seemed to have no bearing. And there seemed to be no difference if you were booking through a TA or DCL directly. Also, the TYPE of bump seemed to be greater with 1st time patrons versus repeat patrons.

I've never been upgraded.
And I still don't have my pre-cruise planning guide.

Well, I can only hope they've changed policies since then, or that Andrew is right and it's all operational and we get lucky, or that my other theory is correct - and that it really is up to the Fairy Godmother department to decide, and that we are somehow worthy :rolleyes1 .

Well we all know Tom isn't getting an upgrade.

Or Roger.
 
For those who are interested, here's a quick tutorial/speculation on why the DCL servers had such problems last night, and why "fixing it" is a harder problem than you might expect.....

Ultimately, the DCL web site is just a piece of software running on one or more computers. Like any computer, the more applications you try to run, the slower the machine runs.

We can speculate/guess on what a normal load is for the DCL web site.

DCL has about 5000 guests/week (2 ships @2500 each - the wonder running 2 cruises/week offsets the fact that much of the year the ships don't run full).

Call that 260,000 passengers/year.

Not all of those passengers visit the web site (usually one books for the family, but then some have TA's also). Let's say 130,000 passengers on the site/year.

Each one visits the site multiple times, and there are also many people who visit the site who don't book. So let's multiply that by 15 to take that into account. 1.95 million visits/year.

Each visit runs about 8 pages (Alexa ranking), which is 15.6 million page views/year.

That comes down to about 30 page views/minute, or one every 2 seconds.

A powerful server can handle that pretty easily. There's no way to really know how many servers they have, but they probably aren't running a large server farm. Maybe 2-3 machines? All talking to a database backend which is probably something of enterprise grade (Oracle?) and shared with their main reservation system.

So, yesterday night you have about 1800 repeat guests, plus those on the Wonder. Not all of them were trying to book - let's assume there were 250 of us. At 12:01 you had a surge - 250 requests/second. And most of these were heavy requests (logins, reservation lookups, excursion database lookups, etc.). It's not unreasonable to think that the instantaneous load was 500x normal. It's virtually certain that it was at least 100x normal.

So, if you're Disney, what do you do? Do you run a server farm of 100 machines where 98 of them will be idle except for a 3 hour period once in a rare while? Obviously not.

What you do (hopefully) is do some load testing, and add error-checking to your software so that:
A - Errors don't corrupt your database (aka, people start losing confirmed excursions or reservations, people start getting info from other people's reservations, etc.)
B - When errors do occur (timeouts, conflicts, etc) the server dumps connections but doesn't die completely.

I know it's frustrating (I spent almost 3 hours online and ended up having to log in through a remote connection because my machines were completely locked out). But at the same time, it's important I think for people to realize that "fixing the system" isn't a matter of calling a handyman over for a few hours and doing something obvious. Building systems that can handle sudden surges in traffic is a VERY tough problem even if you can anticipate them.

The good news is - things should get better with two new ships coming in. Assuming the DCL IT folks aren't stupid, they know they'll have to scale up for higher average traffic with two new ships. That will also make them better able to handle the surges from one or two cruises. They may also get really smart and build some new systems based on the new computational cloud services that are becoming available (which make it easier to quickly bring on extra capacity).

Ok, enough of lecture mode. I just ran some numbers out of curiousity and in order to avoid doing any real work. It's just that even though I feel the pain of those who didn't get everything they wanted (including my own pain on that score), I think it's important to realize that the DCL folk aren't being negligent or stupid on this. They really are dealing with some extraordinarily complex problems, and the problems we are hearing (being bounced out, missing brunch reservations) are NOTHING compared to the kinds of problems that are possible (scrambled/lost reservations, passengers getting lost or transferred between reservations), etc. - And that those messages we're getting about reservations being locked are not the results of stupidity or carelessness, but rather a sign of the application protecting you from those much worse possibilities
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Seriously fascinating (no math alert needed). I actually was musing HALF of what you spoke of here in the last 12 hours. That DCL must have a tough act to run here with the surge in volume coming. It crossed my mind what sort of problem would be a total disaster - and that they must be dropping connections to forego system meltdowns and greater problems. I actually waxed over how they must be wrestling with these sort of problems because Disney is not truly stupid - but must have their backs pushed beyond the temporary demands demonsrated here. Too bad we don't live in a perfect world yet where everything works as stated and never fails. In particular - may I ask how many of us have had high tech gizmos or applications that are buggy or come up short? Yeah, it's a convoluted path sometimes with emerging technologies.

At any rate, Thanks Dan for the fascinating note here. I never quite penciled out the numbers - and now I have a model to give a little substance to my guesses.
 
I've never been upgraded.
And I still don't have my pre-cruise planning guide.
Well we all know Tom isn't getting an upgrade.Or Roger.

They have both been upgraded to the Cat 1 lifeboat class staterooms, which are located to 'the left, of, back in the port' Poor boys.

I have been given some inside entertainment information, that Disney is bringing back the 'Walk the plank' game show, and Captain Hook ipirate: s in charge. The plank Will Be located to the Aft of topsiders over a shark infested Pacific and its for anyone who complains.

I would just like to thank DCL for my wonderful experience this morning, I really enjoyed the two hours of the new Mickey mouse film 'Scuba Mickey'
:scared1:
 
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