7DMT after Tron becomes an ILL$

Pooh was the only one that we had G+. We were about 3 hours late for the reservation window but they were still happy to let us in.
This was Pixie Dust as regular LL return times expire 15 mins after the return time window ends. It is very rare to be able to use an expired LL.

Just want to ensure other guests do not think this is the norm and be disappointed when they are turned away.
 
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For the non-accounting folk among us, what the heck is this? Sounds like another horrible standardized test.
And 99% of all guests likely have no idea nor do they care.

And no matter what is discussed by insiders, the program is highly profitable, it was an Iger addition, having been 7 times since they started it ... the numbers of people in that line are growing. Those who don't like it don't have to use it, but after the PR bumps I think many guests are perfectly happy with it now.

And we are a tiny fraction of the guests who go to Disney, and most who go to Disney don't know any insider "standardized test" discussions (and could care less) and will continue to do parks with or without it.

$ILL$ was designed with purpose and Disney likely will continue to expand it?
 

after the PR bumps I think many guests are perfectly happy with it now.

I used it in April 2022 and in February 2023. April 2022, I liked that I could add it on ahead of time at a fixed cost (easier to budget). While the price was the same every day I was there in February (20 dollars), I hated not knowing what it would be ahead of time. The ability to modify was nice.

That being said, after this last go round, if I had kids that could handle both early entry and close the parks out, I probably wouldn't buy Genie+.
But I'd still do ILLs for the rides that are ILLs.
 
This was Puxie Dust as regular LL return times expire 15 mins after the return time window ends. It is very rare to be able to use an expired LL.

Just want to ensure other guests do not think this is the norm and be disappointed when they are turned away.
We try not to make a habit of it, but we’ve never been turned away for a late G+. On this particular evening, we had some other stuff going on and just decided to wait until after fireworks to use the reservation.

This was the first time I had ever seen the screen that the attendant views when we check in. It does display how many hours late you are beyond the reservation window.
 
I used it in April 2022 and in February 2023. April 2022, I liked that I could add it on ahead of time at a fixed cost (easier to budget). While the price was the same every day I was there in February (20 dollars), I hated not knowing what it would be ahead of time. The ability to modify was nice.
We like to go often and that means we set a budget each trip. What Genie+ meant for us was we no longer were booking a TS meal each day. Having that part of our budget flexible meant we could get Genie+ without worrying about the cost, and we'd likely have leftover for snacks. I wonder if in time they will allow in advance again, like Universal, once they have found their groove.

That being said, after this last go round, if I had kids that could handle both early entry and close the parks out, I probably wouldn't buy Genie+.
Every group's dynamic is different so you are right, some can open/close, some can use Early Entry, some like After Hours or have access to the Deluxe hours .... There are many groups who can avoid buying Genie+ if they want to. It's not a mandatory item to have it, but I do think at this point if you know how to use it, it can be a positive add on.

First time I got it I was alone with my DS. He is a disabled adult and doing Genie+ (it was first time) was stressful and I wasn't sure I got MY monies worth. I used to use FP+ and could roll 10 per day so to pay for Genie+ and only get 3-4 a day, and it was frustrating to use, clunky. I think that is why many hate it, because they compare it to FP+.

Second time I brought my other DS and he was in charge of it. We did very well and it was certainly worth the money. In time we get better at using a system and the complaints fade off BUT I do know for some non-regulars they struggle with it. Not everyone wants their nose in their phone.
But I'd still do ILLs for the rides that are ILLs.

And I think this is why we might see parks go back to 2 each as new attractions open and since crowds are continuing to swell. It would be financially foolish of Disney to leave money on the table guests will gladly spend.


Ironically when all this came out and DS was talking about it, he said .... I don't know why they don't drop the Genie+ and just make EVERYTHING have a $ILL$. You can add $2 to Teacups, $3 to Small World, $6 to Space Mountain ..... let guests choose their priority and pay for it. In the end Disney would likely make more money than Genie+. I had to laugh, I was around for the A-E tickets, wouldn't it be funny to go full circle ... kinda headed that way anyway. :goodvibes
 
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For the non-accounting folk among us, what the heck is this? Sounds like another horrible standardized test.
Guest Satisfaction - survey results. I work in software and we call it CSAT for customer satisfaction.
An extremely small percentage of guests get Disney surveys, and even smaller that would get the survey on Genie/Plus/ILL. Add that folks tend to respond more when they are unhappy, rather than happy ... so logically results would fall on the negative side. While important to an organization for further research ~ certainly not concrete data to be shared as fact.
 
An extremely small percentage of guests get Disney surveys, and even smaller that would get the survey on Genie/Plus/ILL. Add that folks tend to respond more when they are unhappy, rather than happy ... so logically results would fall on the negative side. While important to an organization for further research ~ certainly not concrete data to be shared as fact.
This is always the case for customer satisfaction surveys and those who use the data know that. Volume of responses tend to increase when more people are dissatisfied and want to be heard, and my guess is they're getting a great deal of feedback on G+ that's hopefully leading to further improvements.
 
This is always the case for customer satisfaction surveys and those who use the data know that. Volume of responses tend to increase when more people are dissatisfied and want to be heard, and my guess is they're getting a great deal of feedback on G+ that's hopefully leading to further improvements.
I agree but Disney is in complete control of how many and to who they send these responses. As you say of that small percentage right now there might be a larger number responding negatively but does that reflect that all those who did not respond view it favorably? There will never be an accurate number that reflects the whole of the Disney guests. All this does is give Disney food for thought if they wish to research further and possibly make adjustments. I did agree that the modifying likely came from the complaints that the process was too difficult BUT the other items they changed were not in guests best interest.

My point in responding is the repeated posting that it is FACT that Genie+ is "terrible" "horrific" "hated" to (all) guests. The surveys they received are from a very small population of guests, likely the disgruntled guests. In no way do I think it reflects a mass guest hatred of it. As time has gone on I see less and less complaints, with higher and higher usage.

As a side note: With 4-6 visits per year the last 15 years, I have gotten a variety of surveys. I got a G+ survey the first time I used it but not after that. I've gotten all kinds of surveys that are so interesting, that ask me about stuff I don't think Disney will ever have ~ sometimes comical. I swear the survey department sometimes is just trying to stay relevant to stay in the budgets. :tilt:
 
We’ve never felt the need to purchase ILL for 7D. Waiting until close to closing time is a pretty consistent guarantee of a 10 minute or less wait. Our longest wait ever using this strategy was 20 minutes during opening weekend in 2014.

Of course the dollars saved just go to the gift shops anyway.
On our upcoming October trip, we plan to close the parks. But we will be going to MK on party days. Can we use the "get in line at closing time" strategy for 7DMT on those days, if we're not doing the party that night?
 
I agree but Disney is in complete control of how many and to who they send these responses. As you say of that small percentage right now there might be a larger number responding negatively but does that reflect that all those who did not respond view it favorably? There will never be an accurate number that reflects the whole of the Disney guests. All this does is give Disney food for thought if they wish to research further and possibly make adjustments. I did agree that the modifying likely came from the complaints that the process was too difficult BUT the other items they changed were not in guests best interest.

My point in responding is the repeated posting that it is FACT that Genie+ is "terrible" "horrific" "hated" to (all) guests. The surveys they received are from a very small population of guests, likely the disgruntled guests. In no way do I think it reflects a mass guest hatred of it. As time has gone on I see less and less complaints, with higher and higher usage.

As a side note: With 4-6 visits per year the last 15 years, I have gotten a variety of surveys. I got a G+ survey the first time I used it but not after that. I've gotten all kinds of surveys that are so interesting, that ask me about stuff I don't think Disney will ever have ~ sometimes comical. I swear the survey department sometimes is just trying to stay relevant to stay in the budgets. :tilt:
This whole argument is slightly amusing because y’all aren’t even in disagreement.

One poster is arguing that it has bad gsat (it does), but that they recognize it’s a small sampling.

Other poster is arguing that not everyone hates it (they don’t) but recognizes some people do.

There’s no conflict here 😂

ETA - looks like OP gsat comment didn’t say they recognize it’s a small sampling so maybe they think it’s the end All be all 🤷‍♀️
 
On our upcoming October trip, we plan to close the parks. But we will be going to MK on party days. Can we use the "get in line at closing time" strategy for 7DMT on those days, if we're not doing the party that night?
I believe you can but it won't really save any time as party guests will also be in line and it will probably be longer at that time as you will have 'double' guests (day guests + party guests) in the line at the same time. It's an option but probably will not save time.

Update: I looked at stats on Thrill-Data for a party day in Dec 2022 and the wait time did not drop at park close but it did drop once the party started. Park close was one of the higher wait times of the day.
 
For the non-accounting folk among us, what the heck is this? Sounds like another horrible standardized test.
Guest Satisfaction Scores. From the post-trip surveys. Disney cares about them. They used to be good. Now they are terrible. Genie+ is a huge reason why.
 
And 99% of all guests likely have no idea nor do they care.
Guest Satisfaction Surveys **are** completed by the "99 percent" of guests. They're random surveys. To respond to the other poster, they are randomized, so calling them "a tiny percentage of guests" is just wrong. They are literally designed by Disney to capture the average guest's sentiment. Disney is very good at data collection.
 
On our upcoming October trip, we plan to close the parks. But we will be going to MK on party days. Can we use the "get in line at closing time" strategy for 7DMT on those days, if we're not doing the party that night?
As Scrappy already mentioned, you can get in line right up until the published park closing time but it won’t be the normal short wait. That only works when the park is closing to all guests.
 
As Scrappy already mentioned, you can get in line right up until the published park closing time but it won’t be the normal short wait. That only works when the park is closing to all guests.
LL won’t be in use (except for DAS/rider swap) after park close on party nights so standby moves faster.
 
LL won’t be in use (except for DAS/rider swap) after park close on party nights so standby moves faster.
But even then, the line right at closing time will be much longer than it is on a non-party night.

The late night strategy works best after most guests have left for the day and those remaining can hit the headliners in rapid succession or multiple times with little to no wait.

For example, you can generally ride 7 Dwarves three times during the last half hour of operation on a non-party night. A party night (for non-party guests) is nowhere near as efficient.
 





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