5/27/06 "Il pochi il fiero i blabbermouths" We *will* sail again Part 12

[mickeymo]

That is what you get for sending him out to take pictures with Kevin. They probably planned a whole house renovation during their trip!

That's what I'm afraid of, John did say Kevin gave him some good recommendations...

But, John is married to every handyman's nightmare (or dream, depending on how one looks at it...) - I can't visualize...

 

[MickeyMo'sBo]

Kevin (direct from John),

"Do I need a 4x12 or a 4x14 for an 11 ft header?" (his plan for the wall changed once he tore into it...)

Kevin (from me),

How soon can you get here to rescue me???!!!

What I thought was a false wall turned out to be supporting the entire second floor!! Actually Kevin -- I do have some SW miles........

 

[WVMD]

What I thought was a false wall turned out to be supporting the entire second floor!! Actually Kevin -- I do have some SW miles........

Uh oh......

Virgil

 

[tinksdad]

Kevin (direct from John),

"Do I need a 4x12 or a 4x14 for an 11 ft header?" (his plan for the wall changed once he tore into it...)

Kevin (from me),

How soon can you get here to rescue me???!!!

Cool!! Removing supporting walls!! When that boy goes, he goes BIG time!!!

Questions: What is this wall supporting? First floor?

I suspect that your home is built with trusses and if the wall is in a middle section it might not be bearing. Beyond that, I like the engineered beams better than dimensional lumber. Two 1 3/4"x 12" MicroLams doubled up will support more than a 4x12. A PolyLam will support more.

Don't forget to double up the trimmers supporting each side.

I can help, but need more info....

 

[tinksdad]

What I thought was a false wall turned out to be supporting the entire second floor!! Actually Kevin -- I do have some SW miles........

OK, if your sure about that then you will need to support the load of the floor during the wall removal and beam installation. The PolyLams come in varying depths depending on the span and load above. Can you draw me a simple floor plan with dimensions from the adjacent walls of both the lower and upper area and I'll run some calcs tomorrow. A couple of pictures might help too. Fax the drawing to my office 505 343-8600 or email.

A site visit and accompanying help "could" be arranged!

This will work out, we do it all the time!

 

[MickeyMo'sBo]

Cool!! Removing supporting walls!! When that boy goes, he goes BIG time!!!

Questions: What is this wall supporting? First floor?

I suspect that your home is built with trusses and if the wall is in a middle section it might not be bearing. Beyond that, I like the engineered beams better than dimensional lumber. Two 1 3/4"x 12" MicroLams doubled up will support more than a 4x12. A PolyLam will support more.

Don't forget to double up the trimmers supporting each side.

I can help, but need more info....

Just to be very clear -- no wood has been removed from the wall yet!!! What it is is an area on an outside wall that has a built-in area for a TV and a built in fireplace.. Right now it is set-up as two ~54" openings with a center post. The TV area has a 4x12 header that is 8 feet high - this would not be a problem since due how the electrical service comes in I am going to be limited to about7'.

The fireplace however, has the header at ~36, right above the fireplace. So the minimum I have to do is raise the header above the fireplace and build it as two alcoves. Ideally I would love to remove the center post and have 1 11' wide alcove -- but I do not know if that is in my ability and risk profile!

 

[tinksdad]

Just to be very clear -- no wood has been removed from the wall yet!!! What it is is an area on an outside wall that has a built-in area for a TV and a built in fireplace.. Right now it is set-up as two ~54" openings with a center post. The TV area has a 4x12 header that is 8 feet high - this would not be a problem since due how the electrical service comes in I am going to be limited to about7'.

The fireplace however, has the header at ~36, right above the fireplace. So the minimum I have to do is raise the header above the fireplace and build it as two alcoves. Ideally I would love to remove the center post and have 1 11' wide alcove -- but I do not know if that is in my ability and risk profile!

Outside wall huh? So, we got the floor above bearing on the wall as well as the roof above? Check if the roof slope comes down on that wall. If so, then we have two sets of loads to contend with.

What is the half span of the supporting members? The distance between the outside wall in question and the next (best guess) bearing point.

 

[MickeyMo'sBo]

Outside wall huh? So, we got the floor above bearing on the wall as well as the roof above? Check if the roof slope comes down on that wall. If so, then we have two sets of loads to contend with.

What is the half span of the supporting members? The distance between the outside wall in question and the next (best guess) bearing point.

Roof does not slope on that side. It is very confusing which way the trusses run. If they are sitting on that wall (I can see what appear to be the ends of trusses sitting over the top board in the wall) then they are running the length of the house and the next wall is ~25 feet away.

Here are some pictures:

Existing

Easier Solution

Ideal Solution

 

[tinksdad]

Yep, looks familiar! Is what you're calling a 4x12 really a solid beam or two 2x12's doubled?

I'll check the calcs tomorrow morning, but I'm pretty sure the load can be carried with a engineered beam. I'm thinking a 3 1/2" x 11 7/8" parallel strand laminated (PSL) beam.

I'll check in the morning!

 

[MickeyMo'sBo]

Yep, looks familiar! Is what you're calling a 4x12 really a solid beam or two 2x12's doubled?

I'll check the calcs tomorrow morning, but I'm pretty sure the load can be carried with a engineered beam. I'm thinking a 3 1/2" x 11 7/8" parallel strand laminated (PSL) beam.

I'll check in the morning!

Yes it is a doubled 2x12

 

[mickeymo]

And that concludes last night's installment of "Do It Yourself Home Repair"



Save my Sanity, Send Chocolate!!!!

Calgon, Take me Away!!!




We now return you to your regularly scheduled DISing...

 

[ohiominnie]

Oh my goodness. This makes my tile job from a couple of years ago look lame!!!!!

 

[mickeymo]

Well, as the saying goes - "Everything's Bigger in Texas"

 

[mickeymo]

Actually Kevin -- I do have some SW miles........

Instead of brown-nosing Kevin - you should be brown-nosing Diana to let him come... He already scheduled two trips

 

[tinksdad]

Ok, John/Monica I don't know the span of the bearing yet, but with a 24' or 30' span you can use a 3 1/2" x 11 17/8" PSL beam. If the span is 36' then bump up the beam depth to 14". Those calcs are for a 12' opening with double trimmers (the 2x4's supporting the beam) on each side.

Calculated with a no-snow load of 20live load and 15 dead load for the roof and 40 live load and 12 dead load for the floor above.


Let me know if you need anything else!! Be happy to help!

 

[tinksdad]

Instead of brown-nosing Kevin - you should be brown-nosing Diana to let him come... He already scheduled two trips

Ask her what she's doing???

 

[chip&dale&fun]

gosh, you take time off to visit friends and come back to find out folks have been knoecking down walls........

 

[chip&dale&fun]

2 more days posted on my blog.....

Virgil

Welcome back!!!!!

 

[chip&dale&fun]

The longest thread they had about the new ships started on the Rumor Board, and it's been closed.

Ah, thanks....Stace!

 

[WVMD]

I posted some pictures. The first 3 days from sailaway through our excursion at Palermo. More to come..... These are unedited - so I know that there are some uneven horizons and such......

http://vwsmaltz.phanfare.com/

Virgil