4th Fastpass easier today 6/7 than yesterday?

[DisneyMom93]

is it really necessary to argue about what is clearly a non-abusive use of a function that disney specifically spent time and money implementing? Disney is not trying to shut down the parents of sick kids, or kids who chicken out on a ride at the last minute or whatever other legitimate uses of change party led them to implement it in the first place.

I agree. The issue is that so many people were abusing the system so they ruined it for others that were using the system in such a scenario. Now the non-abusive guests have to lose out.

If the poor kid gets sick IN the park and doesn't go on any additional rides then he can change his FPs to someone else in his party. The only issue is if the child didn't enter the park yet, because technically he still has another day to enter the park and get his FPs.

 

[DisneyMom93]

I guess the only area left in question is for someone who entered the park, used 2 of their 3 FP and left for whatever reason. Can someone use their 3rd FP? I'd guess no

I think that's when they can change party, because they entered the park and used their ticket day.

 

[AngiTN]

Right. To further clarify, everyone has their own ticket/Magic Band, even though they're under the umbrella of one MDE account. That MDE account holder does not need to enter the park for everyone else to use their own tickets & FPs.

The right to use a FP is ticket-based, not MDE account-based.

Not according to the way some here are interpreting the TOS.
It reads as the account used to reserve the FP must be the account used to enter the park and redeem the FP
My account makes the FP so how can they then redeem the FP
If the posters taking the TOS to the degree written are correct, and you can't transfer FP prior to arrival

This is why I believe it's within the TOS to transfer FP prior to arrival to the park. I do not believe the TOS is as specific as some are trying to make it out to be

 

[Marionnette]

If we want to get really technical with the way it's written, in our case, we have 1 MDE account, mine. I book all FP for everyone. If I don't go, no one can use the FP, right?
Is that how it's intended?

That's not what it says. There is nothing in the text that says that YOU,the owner of the MDE account, must be present in the parks in order to make FP+ reservations or changes for the other profiles in your account. If you've ever friended someone under MDE, you can see that they have admission media but you cannot reassign that unused ticket to someone else like you would if the ticket were attached to your account. What it does say is: the valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Now to address your specific point. You do not need to be present in order for those people under your MDE to be able to make or switch FP+. However, unless you were to grant them access to your MDE, they would have to make those reservations or changes at a kiosk. Why is this possible? Because the ticket used to enter the park is now permanently attached to their profile and biometrics. Even you, as the owner of the MDE account where all of those profiles reside cannot reassign the ticket once it has been used by that individual.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

That is what the latest system update is for.

You have no idea if this is the case. Other than kiosk messages reported yesterday when trying to use MBs with no admission tickets there is nothing definitive. We know what the TOS stated back in Spetember (or at least have a number of interpretations).

I hope at some point the changes and guest impact can be discussed.

 

[DisneyMom93]

No, I don't really think it's going to change. But only time will tell

I've asked this before but do folks really think hundreds were booking illegitimate FP? I don't.

Enough were that Disney stopped it.

 

[AngiTN]

Enough were that Disney stopped it.

Yep, when someone made money on it (something I hadn't even a clue was going on, I was happily living under my rock)
Just like they stopped ADR finders that made money.
Disney lets things go till someone profits off it.

 

[Wood Nymph]

It reads as the account used to reserve the FP must be the account used to enter the park and redeem the FP
My account makes the FP so how can they then redeem the FP
If the posters taking the TOS to the degree written are correct, and you can't transfer FP prior to arrival

Don't confuse account with profile. Their profiles are in the same MDE account. The tickets are attached to their profiles and the fastpasses are attached to the tickets in their profiles. Yes, they are all in your MDE account, but that doesn't mean they can't use them independent of your use of your tickets and fps.

 

[mom2rtk]

You have no idea if this is the case. Other than kiosk messages reported yesterday when trying to use MBs with no admission tickets there is nothing definitive. We know what the TOS stated back in Spetember (or at least have a number of interpretations).

I hope at some point the changes and guest impact can be discussed.

So far all we have seen beyond that kiosk message for non ticketed bands is the threat of account locking. That feels to me like a "just you wait til your father gets home!" threat.

 

[Wojodis]

Idk but I interpret the TOS to mean (a) don't transfer from expired tix; (b) don't transfer from grandpa's AP; (c) don't transfer from that one non expiring ticket you have that you just move from day to day for more fastpasses--I think the gray area comes with packages. I really don't think a couple transfers between a family of four when one didn't enter the park will matter much. But if you have 3 guests attending the parks and 7 additional guests listed at your campsite that never go to the park but always transfer FP--probably gonna be an issue (just the cost alone should stop some people but you never know) or in other words--stop using fake people. Idk just my interpretation. Disney may not even mind the 7 extra guests as long as the go to the park that one day--cause then the tix expire and can no longer be transferred (RO)

 

[mom2rtk]

Not according to the way some here are interpreting the TOS.
It reads as the account used to reserve the FP must be the account used to enter the park and redeem the FP
My account makes the FP so how can they then redeem the FP
If the posters taking the TOS to the degree written are correct, and you can't transfer FP prior to arrival

This is why I believe it's within the TOS to transfer FP prior to arrival to the park. I do not believe the TOS is as specific as some are trying to make it out to be

Do you honestly believe they expect the MDE account owner to be in the park for anyone's FP on the account to be redeemed?

 

[mom2rtk]

Idk but I interpret the TOS to mean (a) don't transfer from expired tix; (b) don't transfer from grandpa's AP; (c) don't transfer from that one non expiring ticket you have that you just move from day to day for more fastpasses--I think the gray area comes with packages. I really don't think a couple transfers between a family of four when one didn't enter the park will matter much. But if you have 3 guests attending the parks and 7 additional guests listed at your campsite that never go to the park but always transfer FP--probably gonna be an issue (just the cost alone should stop some people but you never know) or in other words--stop using fake people. Idk just my interpretation. Disney may not even mind the 7 extra guests as long as the go to the park that one day--cause then the tix expire and can no longer be transferred (RO)

And if they do that repeatedly over the course of the year with the AP? It starts to add up.

 

[AngiTN]

Don't confuse account with profile. Their profiles are in the same MDE account. The tickets are attached to their profiles and the fastpasses are attached to the tickets in their profiles. Yes, they are all in your MDE account, but that doesn't mean they can't use them independent of your use of your tickets and fps.

Oh, I get it. I don't truly believe that's how they intend it at all.
That isn't how it's written is the point. Some want to take it to the nth degree for some things but not others. That is my point.
I get what they intend with the TOS. It's not really complicated.
I have a fairly good grasp on what's going to cause red flags and what isn't.
I'm fairly certain 99% of us here do too.

 

[DisneyMom93]

That should be fine. In fact, I suspect Disney would really like that. (Visualize a hands rubbing together emoji.) The violation is people who have an extra, separate ticket or pass they aren't using for entry (& can therefore use again & again for FPs in violation of TOS), and transferring prebooked FP+ from those onto their bands in the park.

You must be a Florida resident. The cheapest annual pass available to non-Florida residents & non-military costs over $800 including tax.

OMG. What?? Wouldn't that be just another scam/loophole?

Am I misunderstanding your suggestion?

Annual passes allow AP holders to go to the parks way more than the average family going on vacation. It's not people spending a few days in Disney with an extra ticket with extra FPs (which is bad enough). It's like people spending one year in Disney with one extra ticket with extra FPs every day. With that one extra ticket they can get 3 extra FPs every day (unless it's a blackout day).

Just more abuse of the system. If Disney wanted people to "purchase" more FPs they would offer that option.

 

[5DisneyNuts]

So far all we have seen beyond that kiosk message for non ticketed bands is the threat of account locking. That feels to me like a "just you wait til your father gets home!" threat.

I agree, but so far all I have seen is the same sites repeating the same exact article. The only thing we know for sure is that non-admission MBs throw an error at the kiosk. I would imagine other changes have gone in, but we don't know what those things are yet....

As far as the guests being locked out, good luck. Obviously the tour guide offenders aren't going to GS, but the families that aren't aware and are using technology as Disney allows are not going to be happy. How many TOS have you read? Every app on your phone comes with one, did you read it (not "you" but generic you LOL)? GS, in my opinion will be unlocking accounts and handing our magic FPs so it becomes a moot point.

 

[DisneyMom93]

That scenario makes no sense though...

I mean what if I decide with 3 friends to go to WDW and share a room. At the last minute, friend #4, an AP, has a family emergency and can't go. Since there is now a spot open, friend #5 is asked to go instead and decides to go. She buys her plane ticket, and a parkhopper ticket for the length of stay. Person who owns the MDE account transfers 60 day booked FP+ to the replacement friend so everyone can ride rides together.

Do people really think Disney is going to lock the account of these people because the original FP+ was made under a ticket that was not eventually used to enter the park on the same day that the FP+ was originally made for?

And that is exactly how the ones abusing the system ruin it for others.

 

[Shanti]

Annual passes allow AP holders to go to the parks way more than the average family going on vacation. It's not people spending a few days in Disney with an extra ticket with extra FPs (which is bad enough). It's like people spending one year in Disney with one extra ticket with extra FPs every day. With that one extra ticket they can get 3 extra FPs every day (unless it's a blackout day).

They would have to buy admission tickets to get away with it, and few people will go to the expense of doing that. They can't do it daily with two annual passes per person because unlike tickets, annual passes require identification to get activated.

 

[DisneyMom93]

I agree, but so far all I have seen is the same sites repeating the same exact article. The only thing we know for sure is that non-admission MBs throw an error at the kiosk. I would imagine other changes have gone in, but we don't know what those things are yet....

As far as the guests being locked out, good luck. Obviously the tour guide offenders aren't going to GS, but the families that aren't aware and are using technology as Disney allows are not going to be happy. How many TOS have you read? Every app on your phone comes with one, did you read it (not "you" but generic you LOL)? GS, in my opinion will be unlocking accounts and handing our magic FPs so it becomes a moot point.

I think they are aware. They took the extra steps to set up something that they can't do just normally reserving the 3 FPs they're entitled to.

 

[Wood Nymph]

Here is what Disney's Terms and Conditions say regarding fastpass+

The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make Fastpass+ selections must be the same valid them park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the Fastpass+ selections are redeemed.

 

[DisneyMom93]

They would have to buy admission tickets to get away with it, and few people will go to the expense of doing that. They can't do it daily with two annual passes per person because unlike tickets, annual passes require identification to get activated.

Oh thank goodness. In that other scenario they would each have a year of extra FPs! Whew.