4th Fastpass easier today 6/7 than yesterday?

[Shanti]

They'd probably cut you to the front of the line for that.

 

[cabanafrau]

Well, if they entered that morning and then left it would be one way to tell intent

The bands have RFID, however I'm not aware that Disney is in fact monitoring passes exiting the park. If I enter MK and leave how does Disney know my intent isn't to hop the monorail back to the Poly to grab my sunglasses? Would Disney necessarily be aware I left unless I circled back and re-entered the park or entered another?

What if I entered the park, got a text or a phone call from a family member or my office about something urgent and hopped the monorail to go sit outside at the Poly for somewhere quiet to have a phone call? The only time I have tapped my band is to enter the park. I've not even tapped it to unlock the door to my room because I've decided to sit outside in the beauty of the resort while I'm on the phone.

How much tracking do we think Disney is doing of that MB on my arm registered to Cabanafrau? How on earth would they begin to suss out my intent?

 

[DizBelle]

The bands have RFID, however I'm not aware that Disney is in fact monitoring passes exiting the park. If I enter MK and leave how does Disney know my intent isn't to hop the monorail back to the Poly to grab my sunglasses? Would Disney necessarily be aware I left unless I circled back and re-entered the park or entered another?

What if I entered the park, got a text or a phone call from a family member or my office about something urgent and hopped the monorail to go sit outside at the Poly for somewhere quiet to have a phone call? The only time I have tapped my band is to enter the park. I've not even tapped it to unlock the door to my room because I've decided to sit outside in the beauty of the resort while I'm on the phone.

How much tracking do we think Disney is doing of that MB on my arm registered to Cabanafrau? How on earth would they begin to suss out my intent?

And if you have multiple MBs for the same person (clones), leave one with the folks still in the park and take another with you back to the resort. I don't think they can know which one is actually attached to a person.

 

[AngiTN]

The bands have RFID, however I'm not aware that Disney is in fact monitoring passes exiting the park. If I enter MK and leave how does Disney know my intent isn't to hop the monorail back to the Poly to grab my sunglasses? Would Disney necessarily be aware I left unless I circled back and re-entered the park or entered another?

What if I entered the park, got a text or a phone call from a family member or my office about something urgent and hopped the monorail to go sit outside at the Poly for somewhere quiet to have a phone call? The only time I have tapped my band is to enter the park. I've not even tapped it to unlock the door to my room because I've decided to sit outside in the beauty of the resort while I'm on the phone.

How much tracking do we think Disney is doing of that MB on my arm registered to Cabanafrau? How on earth would they begin to suss out my intent?

I'm saying that if someone entered the park that day then Disney can see their intent was to go to the park that day. Then their FP for that day would be valid for use for that day, all day, by them, or someone else in their party.
If someone didn't enter the park that day then Disney would see their intent was not to go to the park that day. Then their FP for that day would not be valid for use by them or someone else in their party.

As for tracking, we have an interesting system at a local concert series here. Started last year, or maybe the year before. Where they do track departure. It's sort of a MB lite.
Admission used to work with a PIN. Not unlike what Disney sells for trading. We buy one and it gets you in for the entire series. Problem is, it was easy to take off and pass through the fence and share the pin. No one checked to be sure you had the pin on once inside the venue. (it's outdoor and night) So they went to a wrist band not unlike a magic band. We scan in each night. That band can't be used again for admission that night, so you can't pass it back out to another person. If you want to leave and come back you have to scan out, or you can't get back in. They did realize that everyone would not scan out at the end of the night so they have it reset each night so that everyone can scan back in the next day. But within the single calendar day, it can indeed track if you have come in or out. The plan to add a way to purchase on it next year. Anyway, wonder if Disney ever plans to add in the scan out feature to their parks?

 

[Lisa F]

I think this is what they care about: Does the MB used to enter the FP line have valid park admission and was that admission used to enter the park today? Additionally, if the FP was transferred from another MB, did the MB that originally booked the FP have valid park admission that was used to enter the park today?

Example: Bob booked an advance FP for TOT 60 days ago. Bob transferred it to Sue. Sue transferred it to Mary. Mary transferred it to Bill. Bill transferred it to Carrie.

Carrie goes to the TOT FP line and tries to enter. Was Bob's and Carrie's admission used to enter the park that day? If yes, she can enter. If no, she cannot.

Here's another question. Did Bob have to enter HS using his admission? Or could he have gone to Epcot and decided to not go to HS (assume park hopper)?

That scenario makes no sense though...

I mean what if I decide with 3 friends to go to WDW and share a room. At the last minute, friend #4, an AP, has a family emergency and can't go. Since there is now a spot open, friend #5 is asked to go instead and decides to go. She buys her plane ticket, and a parkhopper ticket for the length of stay. Person who owns the MDE account transfers 60 day booked FP+ to the replacement friend so everyone can ride rides together.

Do people really think Disney is going to lock the account of these people because the original FP+ was made under a ticket that was not eventually used to enter the park on the same day that the FP+ was originally made for?

 

[Orsino]

edited: off topic

 

[cabanafrau]

And if you have multiple MBs for the same person (clones), leave one with the folks still in the park and take another with you back to the resort. I don't think they can know which one is actually attached to a person.

Rest easy, Cabanafrau has just one MB from back in the days they were just beginning to roll out FP+ to some guests at certain resorts back in 2013. Least enjoyable visit to WDW ever. No plans to return until we hear the resort has made some serious improvements with reviews sounding like the experience offered is indeed designed to make patrons feel like guests again, rather than cattle being herded about to best allow your wallet to be deeply mined for the extraction of every last dime.

Vacation planning for WDW used to be a whole lot less onerous with much greater odds of getting a great return of enjoyment for time and money spent. Other destinations may not have the vast quantity of planning resources at your fingertips, but many of them also provide a great return of enjoyment for a lot less planning with varying amounts of monies spent according to what you're willing to budget. Curiously enough many times the accommodations top what we had at the Poly for significantly less out of our pockets.

 

[ArwenMarie]

What all of this has shown me, both on the discussion topics that took place yesterday and the ones taking place today about various "tools", is that WDW is walking a real fine line with their prices versus perceived value.

When customers are pushing the envelope literally at every turn, it makes you wonder

 

[AngiTN]

That scenario makes no sense though...

I mean what if I decide with 3 friends to go to WDW and share a room. At the last minute, friend #4, an AP, has a family emergency and can't go. Since there is now a spot open, friend #5 is asked to go instead and decides to go. She buys her plane ticket, and a parkhopper ticket for the length of stay. Person who owns the MDE account transfers 60 day booked FP+ to the replacement friend so everyone can ride rides together.

Do people really think Disney is going to lock the account of these people because the original FP+ was made under a ticket that was not eventually used to enter the park on the same day that the FP+ was originally made for?

No, but I do think there could be an issue if they gave Friend #5 the MB belonging to Friend #4 and just used the FP, instead of transferring them. I think this is exactly the case where the Change Party was designed to be used, so they could change #4's passes to #5, before they arrive, and all can ride together.

 

[jaysmom4285]

IMHO, I'm not sure that price vs. value is the determining factor. Many people will push the envelope like this just because they can and because they feel should have more than others do. If admission was free, and this technique was available, plenty of people would do it just to get more FP+ than others.

 

[fan1080]

That scenario makes no sense though...

I mean what if I decide with 3 friends to go to WDW and share a room. At the last minute, friend #4, an AP, has a family emergency and can't go. Since there is now a spot open, friend #5 is asked to go instead and decides to go. She buys her plane ticket, and a parkhopper ticket for the length of stay. Person who owns the MDE account transfers 60 day booked FP+ to the replacement friend so everyone can ride rides together.

Do people really think Disney is going to lock the account of these people because the original FP+ was made under a ticket that was not eventually used to enter the park on the same day that the FP+ was originally made for?

This is my opinion only......

For planning purposes, we should be able to make all the changes we want prior to our visit. But changes made day of our visit, after we have entered the park, should only be permitted between MBs that have been scanned in that day.

 

[Tomh]

The original quest of this thread was to ascertain if FP #4 has better availability now. I fear that this thread is veering dangerously off that topic, and into territory that is likely to get it closed.

Could we maybe refrain from those excursions, and discuss what, if any, changes guests are seeing in 4th FP+ availability. That, in my opinion, will be a very useful bit of information for those planning trips in the coming weeks, and months.

 

[ArwenMarie]

I agree that some folks would still do things, but not at this level and I'm not just talking about the shenanigans from yesterday but everything.

 

[Samdari]

I've asked this before but do folks really think hundreds were booking illegitimate FP? I don't.

Even lots of DisBoarders are a VERY, VERY small percentage of total Disney guests.

I think the disboarders who were doing this represented far less than 100s per day.

I think CM's with their 3 guest passes who could do the same thing? That would be 100s per day, IMO.

And, not coincidentally, those are also the very people who cannot claim, "I didn't know I was doing anything wrong" when calling GS for an account unlock. Let's face it, as few people who were double booking fastpasses, I bet there are even fewer who enter the parks each day having read the ToS.

 

[Roxyfire]

A week ago we went to DHS (June 1st) and as a party of two, we were easily able to get multiple additional fast passes beyond the first 3. Now part of that luck is that we are just 2 people, not a big group. But also my strategy is to grab something in the next half-hour or hour and keep refreshing using the modify and time choices along the top just to see what's out there. FP availability constantly changes. Also don't forget to check once you tap your band, especially if the line is a little longer. You can find something while you're standing there.

 

[DizBelle]

That scenario makes no sense though...

I mean what if I decide with 3 friends to go to WDW and share a room. At the last minute, friend #4, an AP, has a family emergency and can't go. Since there is now a spot open, friend #5 is asked to go instead and decides to go. She buys her plane ticket, and a parkhopper ticket for the length of stay. Person who owns the MDE account transfers 60 day booked FP+ to the replacement friend so everyone can ride rides together.

Do people really think Disney is going to lock the account of these people because the original FP+ was made under a ticket that was not eventually used to enter the park on the same day that the FP+ was originally made for?

Based on the terms and conditions, you will not be able to do what you describe.

From the TOS: "The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed."

So, if you are going to transfer your FP to someone, you and the someone must have used the park admission to get in the park.

 

[AngiTN]

Based on the terms and conditions, you will not be able to do what you describe.

From the TOS: "The valid theme park admission associated with your Site/App account and used to make FastPass+ selections must be the same valid theme park admission that you will use for entry into the park on the day the FastPass+ selections are redeemed."

So, if you are going to transfer your FP to someone, you and the someone must have used the park admission to get in the park.

Why? Since a plane ticket is involved PP isn't talking about doing this at the park, they'll have transferred the FP before they got to the park, when they replaced friend 4 with friend 5

 

[BuckeyeBama]

Why? Since a plane ticket is involved OP isn't talking about doing this at the park, they'll have transferred the FP before they got to the park, when they replaced friend 4 with friend 5

I think that the PP was pointing out a contradiction. Disney wants folks to do this. If you called, a CM would do it for you over the phone. But the ToS says that it is not permitted.

 

[AngiTN]

I think that the PP was pointing out a contradiction. Disney wants folks to do this. If you called, a CM would do it for you over the phone. But the ToS says that it is not permitted.

Really? I don't see that. All I see is that the same admission used for entry that day be used for the FP. As long as the change feature is done before they enter the park, it's all good and totally within that statement, no? Or am I just not getting it?

 

[DizBelle]

Really? I don't see that. All I see is that the same admission used for entry that day be used for the FP. As long as the change feature is done before they enter the park, it's all good and totally within that statement, no? Or am I just not getting it?

I think you're missing the "and used to make the FastPass+ selections" part. This would be friend #4 in your scenario. This means that the account/admission used to make the FP selection (friend #4 AP) must be used to enter the park before the FP can be used - regardless of who uses it.