$49.00 code, Why is it being deleted from posts

[realpatt]

Why is the 49.00 budget resort code being deleted from posts?

 

[Disneyfun1]

last week over on the resort board, a code was posted and all h*ll broke loose. Moderators said we are no longer allowed to post any codes unless they are verified by them first. Apparently the code was for only certain states, then all states, then certain states again......either way im happy, i got in when it was all states.....GF 199/night!

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[Dagny]

Disney occassionally sends out promotional offers to certain States, geographically areas or some other screening criteria. The codes are intended for those persons only so... we do not permit these codes to be posted unless we can verify that the offer is available to all guests without restriction.

I hope this clears up any confusion. Please feel free to email me or one of the other moderators if you have any questions!

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[lydia75]

Dagny, I sure wish this had been said earlier because I actually got a promotion, When I called, there was nothing available.
I can now see why there is nothing available for those who actually received the invitation.

 

[TravelSheryl]

Actually, it was posted earlier. It's just been bumped down the board. See Posting Guidelines

 

[BethR]

I am sorry that you missed out on something that you were entitled to! <IMG WIDTH="15" HEIGHT="15" SRC="/infopop/emoticons/icon_redface.gif" alt="red face">
This is exactly the reasons that we do not allow codes that are meant for SPECIFIC people/areas to be posted here. That is listed in our Guidelines for posting, as TravelSheryl has pointed out.
Unfortunately, no one here on the DIS was aware that this WAS a CODE discount for a day or so and therefore this information was put out.
When we discovered there was a CODE involved, that is when we started deleted the CODES from the posts.
We apologize for any confusion.
And I hope that something even better comes up for you Lydia. You deserve it. I also encourage you to call CRO again asking for this discount. We all have seen that persistance in these matters often pays off.

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[JoeThaNo1Stunna]

The $49 code was not for certain states, it was for everyone. I believe that the moderators shouldn't delete a code unless they are 100% sure that it is only for certain people. The $49 code was for everyone, but some people didn't do their research, and they deleted it. This code would allow people who can't usually stay inside WDW to do so, but instead of doing their homework, someone decided to delete it. The DIS' code policy is OK, but the way it is enforced is ridiculous.

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[a1a]

Why would it matter if the code was for everyone? If a person is going to call CRO for reservations, wouldn't they find out if they were ineligible for a particular discount? Are people deleting information intended for public viewing for their own benefit? I don't know how that could be, but can't think of any explanation that makes sense. I have read the reasons given, but that doesn't make sense to me either. Obviously it doesn't make sense to many posters.

Is there anyone out there that wants to start a board of their own with this deletable information?

It might be helpful if moderators/webmaster ensured codes were posted with all the appropriate information if there is any, like states that are elibible or inelibible, so that we could ask when calling CRO, instead of deleting information that obviously many people want, and many people are trying to share.

It seems heavy handed and unnecessary for moderators/webmaster to delete information that is intended to help others in this "open forum". Isn't that what we are all here for? I'm spending time here to get some assistance in planning my trip, and financial is the best kind of assistance. CRO isn't always that helpful or knowledgable about all these discounts that are available. It used to be quite a lifesaver when posters could help each other.

I have seen people leave these boards, because they feel that there are alterior motives for this information to be deleted. Wouldn't want to see it happen with more people. I may be the next.

[This message was edited by a1a on 03-15-01 at 07:33 PM.]

 

[melissa173]

This code was definately NOT for certain areas only. I used this code just last night. After hearing my long Italian last name, CRO asked me how I found out about this code. He said that it was printed in an hispanic Florida newspaper. He told me that it was not intended for hispanic people only, as that would be descrimination and that it was available for EVERYBODY. However, there are only a certain amount of rooms available at this special discount.

I think the moderators jumped the gun on this one, and maybe should reconsider allowing the code so others who can't afford to stay onsite can have that opportunity.

 

[a1a]

bump!!!!

 

[TravelSheryl]

Excellent post, a1a, with which I agree wholeheartedly. The Internet is for the sharing of information. Unless there is something illegal posted, I feel that this information should be available and that it is up to the merchant to police the use of any targeted promotions.

I also find it interesting that the posting guidelines are selectively enforced (specifically thinking about the clip art rules).

 

[baileybrad]

then it is a shame that it can't be shared. As many folks know CRS is very inconsistent when it comes to providing information. If you do not ask the questions in a certain way you may lose out on something that is readily available to folks who know "the secret handshake". I am not talking about codes that have been mailed out to certain groups. These deletions make sense. But to do it arbitrarily seems unfair. That said I can't wait for the new Pop Century resorts to open, Disney may have to practically give away rooms in the off-season. We can only hope that if the rooms are reduced at the AS due to the popularity of the new budget resorts that the information will be allowed to be exchanged on these boards.

 

[BethR]

I am sorry that some of you feel like we are working against you on this issue.
We truly are NOT! We truly ARE here to assist you to have the BEST and LEAST expensive WDW trip that you can have.
This whole "code issue" is making a LOT of us CRAZY!!! Contrary to popular belief, we are NOT Disney Insiders here and we learn about things RIGHT FROM THESE BOARDS! So at first we read that this is NOT a code discount, then we read that it IS a code discount. Then we read that it is meant for some states, then we read that it is meant for ANY states. First we read that the discount has no name, then we read that it DOES have a name. We read that there are NO postcards, then we read that there ARE postcards. As frustrated as you all are, we are equally so. And it makes it TREMENDOUSLY difficult to make decisions and to figure how this fits into our Guidelines for Posting.
As has been stated NUMEROUS times, we do not allow codes to be posted since we feel that the abuse of them will lead to the discontinuation of them. As you have read above, Lydia DID get a postcard with a code and could NOT use it since the rate had been "used up." Makes you wonder if she would have gotten the rate that she was offered if so many of us had not called for WHATEVER rate.
I agree with all of you - this is EXTREMELY frustrating - and I have to say that CRO is to blame. I can't wait until this is over...

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[WebmasterPete]

I completely understand everyone's frustration on this, and as I have posted before, we have good reasons for these guidelines. You may not agree with them, you may not like them, and I respect that. But also, many of you should also respect the fact that there may be things about running a site of this size that you might not be able to appreciate. There are many dynamics that are in place with issues like this, and I have to consider all of them, not just a few. That is how these guidelines are developed and enforced.

The confusion on discount codes comes directly from Disney, and their complete lack of any reasonable communication on what these codes are and who they are for. That is where the problem lies right now. We are doing our best to ensure the codes are accurate and for everyone. Just because someone posts here that a particular code is for 'everybody' does not make it so. That is how some of these issues get started, and I've taken the responsibility to try and check these things for the benefit of our visitors, not for their detriment. If someone chooses to start their own forum to post these codes, you have my blessing, but until such time as Disney implements a reasonable system of communication within CRO to communicate and enforce their guidelines, I feel that we have no choice but show due diligence in what is posted here.

Pete

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[AF Brenda]

Yes, I agree that this board is quite useful for helping everyone (including me!) save money on a Disney vacation. And I think this is a great place for sharing money saving strategies. But, we need only look on this board from last week to see what happens when codes are posted without first knowing to whom they apply. CRO receives hundreds, if not thousands of additional calls from people not entitled to the discounts, confusion ensues, and lots of folks come away unhappy, and irritated because CRO couldn't make a discount come up for them. Many of these codes are targeted to a specific population, be it the Northeast corridor, FL residents, etc. This is a marketing strategy that is employed by many companies, not just Disney. I agree that they need to revamp CRO and that additional training is obviously needed for many of the CMs manning the phones there. However, in our zeal to save a few dollars (or a lot of dollars), many of us, myself included, have adopted an attitude of "If he gets the discount, so should I!". Not always going to happen folks. I've adopted the attitude that I will book where I can afford, and try to do better through discounts. If I can't, so be it, if I can, it will be a bonus.

On the (somewhat) brighter side, I think that we will see additional discounts in the near future. As the economy slows down and consumer confidence wanes, there will be alot of people who either decide not to do Disney at all, or they will opt to save money by staying offsite. As Disney sees their rooms sitting empty, they will continue to offer discounts in order to fill these rooms.

Lastly, let's really try to keep these boards friendly! We should always remember that there are real people, human beings at the other end of these posts, and we should not say things here that we would not be willing to say to someone face to face.

Just my .02

 

[realpatt]

There is a web site that is positing codes http://www.marywaring.com/saveonwdw.htm, The person who is running this site is joining forces with http://wdwig.com/contents.htm#tik and later this month will have information made available on Deb's site.

I wonder if codes could be listed on the "rumor board" as the primary concern listed is that we will get misinformation and not get the deal we thought. There is always that risk, so maybe having the codes on the rumor board would remind us that all it is a rumor and we need to each check it out carefully for ourselves, not simply rely on infor on this board. In terms of the concern that Disney will discontinue specials if they are abused (taking advantage of an opportunity does not constitute abuse) is unlikely. Disney is a big company and they offer these "specials" for their own benefit, not as a special favor or charitable denotations to special groups. In the big scheme of things there probably are not all that many peole that are obsessed enought with getting a great deal that they spend hours on sites like this trying to get all the inside scoop. So if we come across a deal once in awhile, I think we have done our homework and deserve it. I truely believe that Disney can take care of itself and doesn't need to be protected from the likes of people who surf Disney internet sites.

PS I was able to successfully get the code by e-mailing others who had listed the code in their post and had it deleted. I called and got the rate and was told specifically that there were not any restrictions or requirements for this rate. I was informed that the rate was intended for the hispanic community, but that they had to give it to anyone who called and requested it.

 

[Trekker]

I wish people could understand that these are Pete's boards, and he has every right to establish and enforce rules for use.

I firmly believe if you do not want to abide by the rules that he has every right to ask you to leave the boards.

This is just the same as if you were a guest in my house, where I do not allow smoking or vulgar language, if you choose not to follow those rules I would ask you to leave. In that case you could find a house to go to that allows smoking and vulgar language.

Just like if you do not like the rules here.

I would also like to remind you this is a free service, we should all be thrilled that Pete has made these boards available and show him a little respect.

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[BethR]

Thank you WDWTrekker!

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[Pugsley]

Doesn't anybody think it's sad that this particular code was meant for people who may be unable to visit WDW without a discount like this, but instead people like us use it all up. I hate to generalize, but by "people like us" I mean people who are comfortable enough financially to have a computer, who are probably relatively intelligent (to find this site and do the research to find the discounts) and probably mostly have decent jobs, and many of whom visit WDW frequently. I think it's very indicative of the state of our society that we feel that all that is important is that WE GET OURS and who cares about anyone else. I'm with Pete on this (even though he doesn't need my support; it's his site and he can do as he pleases). I totally believe that Disney will stop doing promotions like this soon because of the information getting out to too many people and not to their intended targets.

 

[TravelSheryl]

Pugsley, targeted promotions are an everyday occurrence in many lines of business, not just travel. It's up to the merchant to police their promotions. I say if you learn of a deal, take advantage of it as long as no laws are being broken. Just because I live in one state and you live in another, that no more entitles you to a special rate than anyone else*. If a promotion is based on the amount of past business you've given to that merchant, that's one thing, but simply based on your domicile or ethnicity is ridiculous, in my opinion.

As stated earlier, it was said that this promo was targeted to a specific ethnic group. If that's the case, it is illegal to mandate that one belong to that ethnicity to qualify. Targeting is one thing, but requiring is something altogether different.

*Excepting Florida resident rates because those are based on the assumption of increased business due to proximity.