2nd UY Question

[Cfabar1]

Thinking about doing something kind of ridiculous...

All our points are at VGF... now that we are "2 bedroom people" (thanks recent stay at BLT), we need to upgrade our membership...

Envisioning buying a 2nd UY of VGF Points. Does it work like this?

If I bought a second UY for say 80 points at VGF, if I am understanding correctly:
1. I could purchase 24 OTUP each year for each use year - so I could buy 48 points - up from the 24 points I presently can purchase with only my one UY
2. One time annually, I could transfer my points between the memberships - say the 80 points I purchase plus the 24 OTUP or 104 Points annually total I could deposit into my "other membership".

This does mean I would not be able to purchase transfer points from other members.
It sounds mildly inconvenient, but really not too bad - especially if everything stays with the same home resort. One or two extra calls to MS each year, for the benefit of purchasing up to an additional 24 OTUP and potentially getting a better deal on a resale contract.

Not sure 80 points is what I would actually purchase, just using the number 80 for the example.

I'd have to keep track of the banking/borrowing deadlines and the UY, but I'm envisioning getting the 2nd UY close to the first to make sure our annual trip stays ahead of the banking deadline.

Am I missing something?

 

[thanxfornoticin]

You have a lot going on here! I'm not familiar with much of it, but I'd recommend you verify you can transfer OTUP. I'm not sure that's allowed. You might be able to purchase 48, but they might not work as you're laying out here.

 

[Brian Noble]

Am I missing something?

OTUP are pretty close to break-even vs. the first-year cost of owned points at full price (amortized), and there is no guarantee that the Beyond deal that makes them attractive will continue.

If I consistently needed ~105 points per year, I would buy them and keep them in the same UY.

 

[Stargazer65]

Unless you have a reason for the 2nd UY (i.e. travel time of year), IMO it is not worth the hassle of transferring and tracking a different expiration just so you can purchase more OTUPs.

This is speaking from someone who used to have a small contract in a second UY. I bought it only because it was super cheap on resale. In the end, I sold it off, and just added on more points in my current UY for convenience.

Sometimes the transfer points are quirky. Like one time I had to call MS to make a reservation with them because they were there, but they weren't visible to me on the website to make a reservation by myself.

 

[Brian Noble]

I'd recommend you verify you can transfer OTUP

I'm not sure about this either. I think so, but that might only be under the recently-relaxed transfer rules, and it almost certainly is not contractually guaranteed.

 

[Tatebeck]

It will let you buy a second set of OTUP yes, but you cannot transfer them. So you will end up managing trips in the 2 different use years/memberships if you buy OTUP on both regularly. You will have to decide if that is worth it for the extra hassle.

From https://disneyvacationclub.disney.go.com/faq/add-on-one-time-use-points/how-to

"Q: What are one-time-use Vacation Points, and how do I use them?

A.
As a Disney Vacation Club Member, occasionally you may find yourself in need of just few extra Vacation Points in order to book that perfect dream vacation. You can bank, borrow and transfer from another Contract. Or take advantage of another option: one-time-use Vacation Points.

You have the option to purchase up to 24 additional Vacation Points each Use Year. One-time-use points may be used for Disney Vacation Club accommodations in the 7-month booking window. One-time-use points may not be used for Home Resort Priority. A Member may purchase one-time-use Vacation Points for Disney Collection and World Collection reservations, provided the booking window for that trip is open (for example, Disney Cruise Line reservations may be open up to 2 years in advance). One-time-use Vacation Points may not be purchased for options offered through hotel exchange.

The purchase just needs to occur at the time you're making the reservation that requires them.

• Rates are subject to change, but currently Members enjoy a rate of $20 per one-time-use Vacation Point including taxes. That's $17.77 per one-time-use Vacation Point plus $1.16 tax (6.5%) plus $1.07 resort tax (6%).
• You won't be able to cancel or refund your purchase of one-time use Vacation Points, nor will you be able to transfer, bank or borrow them.
• In the event that your trip does not unfold as planned and your reservation must be cancelled, be aware that one-time-use Vacation Points expire at the end of your Use Year."

And from the new rules https://cdn1.parksmedia.wdprapps.di...teral-docs/MS-POS-Insert_12_2024-01-03-25.pdf

Allowed types are:
"g. Allotted, Banked, Borrowed, Reservation, and Holding Home Resort Vacation Points may be Transferred."

No mention of OTUP being allowed

 

[RMDVC24]

Why not just buy the amount of points you need and stay in the same UY? Seems like you’re over complicating things for no reason.

 

[VGCgroupie]

Id would not buy a 2nd UY with intention of needing to transfer. OTUP are only good at 7 months. Money saved up front is not worth all the hassle of OTUP and transfers.

 

[Sandisw]

If you transfer between your own memberships, you can not accept a transfer from anyone else.

As already mentioned, you can’t transfer OTU points, nor can then be banked or borrowed.

Having two memberships can work…I have three..but not as well when you are relying on using together for the same reservation.

We don’t…even if it’s the same trip, we book some on one and some on the other, and just link. So far, never had to move rooms.

IMO, unless you have a reason to have a different UY, and want to book different trips, I’d stick with the same UY.

 

[intamin]

I would strongly advise against a second use year just for the sake of buying OTU points and even more strongly advise against it if you're trying to buy more VGF points. I was nearly tempted to buy resale RIV in a different UY than my direct points and thankfully I listened to the advice here and kept contracts with the same home resort in the same UY. I do own 2 use years but they both have 300+ points in each and easily function on their own without needing any transfers. One of my memberships is entirely resale and the other is entirely direct. AIso, the majority of the points in the resale one are Aulani so they are not generally used for booking WDW. I would hate owning 2 if I had to regularly transfer points between them so for that reason I'm going to recommend you just stick to 1.

 

[Chili327]

If I consistently needed ~105 points per year, I would buy them and keep them in the same UY.

This.

Unless you have a reason for the 2nd UY (i.e. travel time of year), IMO it is not worth the hassle of transferring and tracking a different expiration just so you can purchase more OTUPs.

This is speaking from someone who used to have a small contract in a second UY. I bought it only because it was super cheap on resale. In the end, I sold it off, and just added on more points in my current UY for convenience.

Sometimes the transfer points are quirky. Like one time I had to call MS to make a reservation with them because they were there, but they weren't visible to me on the website to make a reservation by myself.

And definitely this…

Why not just buy the amount of points you need and stay in the same UY? Seems like you’re over complicating things for no reason.

And for all the same reasons others posted, also this!!

You will most certainly regret doing it, you can’t see the points so you lose track of transferred points, you can only get them at 7 months, and you can only send or receive 1 transfer per year so you WILL get stuck with points.

If you plan to travel at a completely different time of year is the ONLY reason to consider a different UY. (or possibly another location, DLR, VB, HHI, AUL)

 

[Disney.dad]

From someone who has multiple use years and wishes we had less with the now transfer restrictions. Don’t buy the same resort in 2 use years, just don’t.

 

[DoubleBaconBLT]

Even with MMB, OTUP aren't *that* incredible of a deal. They cost (99+240) / 24 = $14.13 per point. Most resale contracts at VGF would work out to less than that per point over the life of the contract. ALSO, most resale contracts are cheaper the larger they are. So a 110 point contract at VGF might cost $160 per point or something, while an 80 point contract could cost $170 per point. OTUPs are restricted to the 7 month booking window. They can't be banked, borrowed, or transferred. So by getting a smaller contract + OTUPs instead of just buying the right number of points, you are paying more, adding significant complexity, and getting... not much. I would even just recommend getting the same UY and then getting some more points via rental/transfer if you really don't want to commit to a higher number of points long term.

I have 2 use years, and I have purchased OTUP on both of them. But part of that is driven by the fact that I have annual passes this year, so the marginal cost of another day or another trip is very low right now. If I thought I would buy 48 OTUPs every year, I would be in the market for a small add-on contract very soon.

 

[HyperspaceMountainPilot]

Id would not buy a 2nd UY with intention of needing to transfer. OTUP are only good at 7 months. Money saved up front is not worth all the hassle of OTUP and transfers.

+1 (emphatic +1!) to all of this. If you only have 2 memberships and transfer between them regularly, it’s just a matter of time until you are stuck with orphaned points.

I would strongly advise against a second use year just for the sake of buying OTU points and even more strongly advise against it if you're trying to buy more VGF points.

Yes! There are legit reasons for second UYs, but if the plan requires regular point transfers, I think you will live to regret it!

I do own 2 use years but they both have 300+ points in each and easily function on their own without needing any transfers…AIso, the majority of the points in the resale one are Aulani so they are not generally used for booking WDW.

Each UY should be able to stand alone (enough points for a whole trip, though it’s ok if you travel every other year, assuming you have a predictable life and are unlikely to cancel), and I actually think having different resorts in different UY can make sense if you want more waitlists or if you travel during two periods and want to avoid traveling after the banking window.

From someone who has multiple use years and wishes we had less with the now transfer restrictions. Don’t buy the same resort in 2 use years, just don’t.

Yes, same. I own VGF in 2UY (saved me about $20 per point) and it’s the only major mistake I’d say I’ve made as a DVC owner (conversely, the 3UY I have for AUL/VGF-VGC/BCV all work ok—but 4 with two VGF was dumb).

 

[Girlstar30]

They can take away otup, raise the price or whatever they want, so if thats the only reason I wouldnt. There are better reasons to have two uy and transfer between the two i will say i only do that now if im transferring all points from one to the other, that way im not screwed if I cancel with not enough points for something else in case what im getting now is more points.

They are very strict with the one transfer rule, stricter than anything else ive encountered you can ask for including unbanking, its a hard no with extra transfers and theyll tell you their system wont allow them to (its bs and they could because they've done it for me before) but they are so so strict I dont think theyll ever do it again. They somehow think this will curb commercial renting, but really its the innocent owners that are suffering because of it

talked to a higher up at the akv board meeting about how terrible this policy is for multiple uy owners and it doesnt seem like they have any intention of changing it so now for me to mix its all or nothing. I much prefer the other strategy people do which is use them seperately even for the same stay and just bank remaining.

Then you've got multiple seperate reservations that they check you in and out of and put a hold on your card again and they could technically not keep you in the same room if necessary for them. I dont regret adding my december uy because we had a wonderful time at christmas which is risky with my february and my plan is for any future add ons to add to december as I have enough in Feb, but I love holidays so december is handy for me and february covers my september trips. Both work for local trips. Extra waitlists are great, but your reasoning seems like a hard no.


And if you do this all the transferred points may not show up on your dashboard and you have to track it because sometimes for some reason you cant see the points unless you start to book something. Then if you decide youre not using them and bank them, they retain the same home resort period so you cant mix them with other resorts if you own other resorts.

 

[Cfabar1]

Moving on from one terrible strategy to another... might be finding a second resort soon... stay tuned!

 

[Girlstar30]

Moving on from one terrible strategy to another... might be finding a second resort soon... stay tuned!

Where???

 

[Cfabar1]

Where???

waiting until everything is signed.... stay tuned!

 

[Girlstar30]

waiting until everything is signed.... stay tuned!

Is it vdh? Lol

 

[Cfabar1]

Is it vdh? Lol

too far away... but I wish.... I have such great memories of the Disneyland Hotel.... I have considered buying it as SAP but just can't quite get there between restrictions and the fact I live nowhere near California!

In fact, I think I started a thread a few years ago, and the hive mind informed me that VDH as SAP was a terrible idea!