2025 Condo Meeting Information - Renting

[Cyberc1978]

I really have a hard time believing that any significant enforcement is actually going on to this point. I can understand the incentive for any owner that got busted to not run to social media with the story, but that doesn't explain the fact that there hasn't been one person who rented a villa from a commercial renter and had that rental canceled who has shared their story on social media. If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

This sounds very plausible.

 

[Brian Noble]

Just another thought.

I think this is a wise observation. The motivations of a private-owner DVC rental guest are probably not exactly the same as the motivations of someone who is renting a room from Disney and just happens to choose a DVC unit.

 

[Brian Noble]

If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

Maybe. It depends on how the enforcement is happening. I can imagine a world in which accounts are frozen and/or new guest changes are not allowed, but existing bookings are left alone.

But, I can also (easily) imagine a world in which nothing is happening.

 

[VGCgroupie]

I really have a hard time believing that any significant enforcement is actually going on to this point. I can understand the incentive for any owner that got busted to not run to social media with the story, but that doesn't explain the fact that there hasn't been one person who rented a villa from a commercial renter and had that rental canceled who has shared their story on social media. If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

I think Disney/DVC may take the high road and not cancel innocent peoples reservations and notify owner about any future reservations etc. BUT I can say I know of a few who rent commercially that are going about business as usual. They have made some tweaks but other than that they are still profiting and still buying new contracts to continue to spec rent even more. So yeah DVC isnt doing much if anything.

 

[Sandisw]

I dont agree that they do it FOR the owner. If they did, then any net proceeds would go back to the owner, instead DVC pockets all proceeds.

Do you know for sure that they end up renting all rooms to have such a big profit? Where do you think the funds come from for paying for trades when not all the rooms that were moved were booked?

Exchanges and breakage are all part of the contract.

I thought the context in which commercial renting is being discussed is in relation to what is and is not allowed.

When my points are used in an exchange and the funds used to pay for it, it’s my action that sends it there, not theirs.

So, their profit is solely driven by owners actions.

We can agree to disagree.

 

[Sandisw]

I really have a hard time believing that any significant enforcement is actually going on to this point. I can understand the incentive for any owner that got busted to not run to social media with the story, but that doesn't explain the fact that there hasn't been one person who rented a villa from a commercial renter and had that rental canceled who has shared their story on social media. If there was real enforcement going on we would be seeing those stories pop up.

The reason that it is hard could be based on what one views what the whole commercial purpose clause was meant to prevent.

What we know is they have, to date, not changed the commercial use policy. We know what that triggers a review.

We know that even with a review, DVc gets to decide if they owners explanation is sufficient to not get them in trouble.

The other answer is that there simply is not a large number of owners who are renting to the degree that DVC sees it as a pattern that crosses the line.

I think there has been a hope that certain actions were going to be deemed to be a violation, and expected them to make renting for everyone much harder.

If that is where someone sits, then you are going to be frustrated if those things continue.

No matter what they decided to do…and could do in the future…it’s always going to be applied at the owner level….which is where it is required to be.

And the only one who knows exactly what a specific owner is doing is DVC.

I know some might not be happy but it is still possible that the whole 20 reservations in 12 months is the line in the sand and that as long as you stay below it, you will continue to be okay?