2015 points chart

dbs1228

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Does anyone know approx. when 2015 points chart will be out? Just looking for Jan 2015. We are thinking about booking NYE 2014/2015 and I am trying to figure out exactly how many points we will need. I have an existing res. booked for Oct F&W and I may have make adjustments to that reservation to make it all work.
 
Unless you're going during marathon weekend there's likely to be little to no shifts during January since its "value season" afterthought 4th.

Not sure if you're aware or not but they can only shift points from one season to another not increase beyond the amount of points available for the respective resorts - there's no incremental increase due to inflation. Ie, if BLT has 100, 000 points - no matter how they arrange it or where it comes from a sold out hotel for the year can't take in more than 100,000 points.
 
Latest they could release the charts would be January 24, I believe. That's the day before owners could book a stay 11 months in advance which includes 1/1/15.

As for when it will happen, could be any time. In recent years they've been published on dates in November, December and sometimes that last possible moment in late January. All you can do is keep your eyes open.
 
Not sure if you're aware or not but they can only shift points from one season to another not increase beyond the amount of points available for the respective resorts - there's no incremental increase due to inflation. Ie, if BLT has 100, 000 points - no matter how they arrange it or where it comes from a sold out hotel for the year can't take in more than 100,000 points.

The bold part above is not correct. Changes in the point charts can--and do--go beyond rearranging the seasons. The most noteworthy change was a 2-year process of making ALL weekend dates cheaper and ALL weekdays more expensive.

But the rest of your comment is accurate. The full year must still remain in balance. For every point increase there must be a corresponding decrease elsewhere on the calendar. Just no way of knowing if any of those increase/decreases are planned for 2015 or where they will fall.
 

The bold part above is not correct. Changes in the point charts can--and do--go beyond rearranging the seasons. The most noteworthy change was a 2-year process of making ALL weekend dates cheaper and ALL weekdays more expensive.

But the rest of your comment is accurate. The full year must still remain in balance. For every point increase there must be a corresponding decrease elsewhere on the calendar. Just no way of knowing if any of those increase/decreases are planned for 2015 or where they will fall.

That's what I meant. Just poorly phrased. Thanks for clarifying.
 
Thanks I will keep watching for it! I have been looking at this years points for same day of the weeks (arriving Dec 27 next year Dec26) (8 nights total) and its that close to what I have in points that I am hoping for points charts to come out sooner then later!
 
Last year they came out third week in December. Sometimes they come out a little earlier, even Nov. However, when they are actually going to do any point shifting, we have not seen them until close to mid-Jan. The certainty is that they have to be out before Jan 26 because that is the first date when someone who is booking 7 nights at 11 months from date of arrival can reserve a night in Jan 2015.

In any event, it is not likely Christmas week points will change, at least not to increase, since it is already the highest season.
 
The full year must still remain in balance.

Sometime they also change room category and change the points charts accordingly.
For example at BLT, they changed a few rooms from Theme park view (the most expensive) to standard view (the cheapest). So they increased the points required by rooms to compensate for the less points taken by the changed rooms. So looking at the calendar, points required only went up, but the total number of points taken by the resort has remained the same (now more members can book a standard room).
 
Sometime they also change room category and change the points charts accordingly.
For example at BLT, they changed a few rooms from Theme park view (the most expensive) to standard view (the cheapest). So they increased the points required by rooms to compensate for the less points taken by the changed rooms. So looking at the calendar, points required only went up, but the total number of points taken by the resort has remained the same (now more members can book a standard room).

Yes but with that there was warning about a reallocation coming. Tree house villas going up was rumored but I don't remembers he chatter about it like BLT. Now, just because there are no rumors doesn't mean we can't be surprised. I would expect the same points chart just adjusted for dates and holidays.

I don't date back long enough for the weekday hikes/weekday decreases to know if there was rumors ahead of time.
 
Yes but with that there was warning about a reallocation coming. Tree house villas going up was rumored but I don't remembers he chatter about it like BLT. Now, just because there are no rumors doesn't mean we can't be surprised. I would expect the same points chart just adjusted for dates and holidays.

I don't date back long enough for the weekday hikes/weekday decreases to know if there was rumors ahead of time.

It was a pretty big shock.
It had been a very long time since Disney had done any allocation. There were some that theorized an allocation was needed.

I think it was a couple of months after BLT opened and a number of members had points jump up before they had their first stay.
 
It was a pretty big shock.
It had been a very long time since Disney had done any allocation. There were some that theorized an allocation was needed.

I think it was a couple of months after BLT opened and a number of members had points jump up before they had their first stay.

They it did over two years, releasing the first change in mid-Jan 2009 for charts to begin for stays in Jan 2010. The second weekend to weekday point shift was announced Jan 2010, effective Jan 2011. DVD actually did it over two years simply because the total point shift for two years changed the nightly per point requirements more than 20% (up or down) and DVD cannot do a change in any one year that exceeds 20% per any night. That first shift was particularly unfair to the BLT owners. DVD started selling BLT in September 2008, using to make the sale point charts that existed before releasing the new charts in Jan 2009 with the change to gegin 2010. Many BLT owners bought in reliance on those charts. BLT was not scheduled to open until August 2009. Only a week before releasing the new charts in Jan 2009, DVD made a change that raised the BLT minimum add-on amount to 100 points from 25. Net effect: new BLT owners who bought before mid-Jan 2009 found themselves with too few points for their expected weekday trips, the resort had not even opened yet, and they could no longer correct the problem except by buying at least 100 add-on points. Ultimately, in March, DVD relented on the 100 point add-on requirement and put it back to 25 for BLT, but only after a lot of complaints by BLT owners.

It is those kinds of nightmares that were far too typical during the reign of Darth Vader, a/k/a Jim Lewis, the former President and CEO of DVD, who was eventually fired due to the fiasco of greatly underestimating needed Aulani dues when it orginally went on sale, and who would often start his announcements of any changes with the words: "In response to the feedback from our members, and in order to enhance the DVC membership experience ...." Whenever you heard those words from him, your immediate reaction was to reach down and check for your wallet to make sure it was still there.

As to rumors of a weekend to weekday shift, members had mentioned it for years as a possibility because the weekend points greatly exceeded weekday with the result that demand was particualrly skewed toward Sun through Thurs trips. In more than one occassion over the years, DVD actually included the possibility in member surveys to see how members would react. Thus, that the shift actually occurred was not a complete surprise but how callously it was handled was unless you were someone who had already been experienceing Darth Vader's usual moves for the years before then.
 











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