2 turning 3 question

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Julia M
The actual question was whether or not the OP could bring a child who was 3, and not buy a ticket. That's the info she was seeking. The asnwer is yes.

Julia

I guess you are right, the answer is yes, if you want to lie, sneak, worry, set a bad example for your kids, and steal, then it's yes, yes, you can 'try' and sneak you kid in and you may get away with it as some certainly have BUT if you want to know Disney's policy or their answer on the subject, well, we all know that answer don't we? That's why I'm shocked it's even a debatable question. The answer would be no!

I don't care what the OPs' exact question was; I think she actually asked 3 questions though, but I still have every right to tell him/her it's a bad idea and the reasons why. It's wrong period no matter how you or anyone else tries to justify it and I'm doing nothing wrong when I point that out in my posts.

If someone needs to ask if they can get away with something, then I think they already know it's wrong...they're just hoping we'll all make them feel better about their decision but I'm not going to do that.

 

[ecuagoddess]

I completely agree with you, beattyfamily. It is wrong. If you want to do it, go ahead, but don't expect anyone to help you rationalize it.
Like someone else said, if Disney World is too expensive for you, don't go to Disney World.

 

[Julia M]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
I guess you are right, the answer is yes, if you want to lie, sneak, worry, set a bad example for your kids, and steal, then it's yes, yes, you can 'try' and sneak you kid in and you may get away with it as some certainly have BUT if you want to know Disney's policy or their answer on the subject, well, we all know that answer don't we? That's why I'm shocked it's even a debatable question. The answer would be no!

I don't care what the OPs' exact question was; I think she actually asked 3 questions though, but I still have every right to tell him/her it's a bad idea and the reasons why. It's wrong period no matter how you or anyone else tries to justify it and I'm doing nothing wrong when I point that out in my posts.

If someone needs to ask if they can get away with something, then I think they already know it's wrong...they're just hoping we'll all make them feel better about their decision but I'm not going to do that.

I know I'm beating a dead horse. I'm not trying to make anyone feel better about "cheating". I personally agree, and have always bought passes myself, and don't try to sneak 5 into a room for 4 (we have 5 in our family).

I'm just pointing out that the OP WASN"T asking if it was the "moral" or "right" thing to do. In fact, she stated " i know that it might not be the right thing to do. " It really doesn't take any brains to figure out it's not the "right" thing to do. The questions she asked were:
1. Can I get away with saying he's 2?
2. has anyone done it?
3. Do they check anything to see if he's really 2?

It's also not "right" to take food into the parks, cook in your hotel room, resell park tickets on EBAY or give them to another member of your family, buy a kids meal when it says under 12 and it's not right to speed on the freeway or local streets. However, it's also true that different people see some rules as black and white and some rules as gray.

The rule of buying a ticket for a just turned three year old is black and white for you; for other people it's gray. I wouldn't even begin to speculate what oter rules you consider black and white, or the ones that are gray.

For example, I know it's wrong to go 10 miles over the speed lmiit on the freeway, but I've definitely done it before. That's a gray area for me. On the other hand, I believe it's very wrong to speed around neighborhood streets and schools.....that's black and white for me.

Anyway, I'll sign off. I usually don't post on threads like this. But I really just wanted to clarifyy thoughts on this. Like I said......it's ironic.....I do in fact agree that not buying a pass is wrong.....I just also believe that other people would see it as a gray area, not as lying, sneaking, worrying, setting a bad example for your kids, and stealing.

Julia

 

[mickeymousefan]

Thank you Julia!!!!!!!!!

I would have also stopped responding to this post, but because my post was directly quoted, I feel the need.

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Lastly, I didn't see anywhere that "adults buying kids meals, adults splitting meals, sneaking in food and drinks to the park, are all against Disney rules." Come on, food is not sold "per person" except at buffets (and then it would be wrong not to pay for everyone)!
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Last time I checked, outside food is not welcome into Disney parks.
And, at most restaurants I have ever eaten, kids meals are 10 or 12 and under and not inteneded for adults. Hopper passes are not transferable (this was in my original post but deleted by user who quoted me) but people purchase them on Ebay or give away anyway.

I am not saying any of the above things are wrong or right , they just do not comply with Disney rules. To some people, these rules would be black and white too and they wouldn't do it.
I personally don't care what anyone else does or does not do on their vacation.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

Just to clarify food being brought into the park is against rules. Yes it is not enforced but it is a rule. Do you see a picnic area anyhwere in the parks?? Children's meals ARE for kids under 12. So if you have done that you have broken the rules. Maybe unknowingly but still rule breaking none the less. And as we all know ignorance is no excuse. I was not going to respond again to this post either but frankly, when people are so rigid that they view things in only black and white then their little mistakes need to be pointed out. I am not giving advice as to what the poster should or should not do . Merely pointing out that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Sorry to use another cliche but I do feel it is appropriate. If you chose to give this poster advice then fine but again I will reiterate there is no need to call someone "liar, cheat and sneak" unless you yourself have never done anything wrong! Other wise someone might think " you doth protest too much."

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Bella the Ball 360
Just to clarify food being brought into the park is against rules. Yes it is not enforced but it is a rule. Do you see a picnic area anyhwere in the parks?? Children's meals ARE for kids under 12. So if you have done that you have broken the rules. Maybe unknowingly but still rule breaking none the less. And as we all know ignorance is no excuse. I was not going to respond again to this post either but frankly, when people are so rigid that they view things in only black and white then their little mistakes need to be pointed out. I am not giving advice as to what the poster should or should not do . Merely pointing out that people who live in glass houses should not throw stones. Sorry to use another cliche but I do feel it is appropriate. If you chose to give this poster advice then fine but again I will reiterate there is no need to call someone "liar, cheat and sneak" unless you yourself have never done anything wrong! Other wise someone might think " you doth protest too much."

Again with the "if you've ever broken a rule or a law then you have no right to judge". That's just not true. We all judge each other every single day.

The only reason I keep replying is because people keep replying to my posts. I'm not ashamed of my opinion or what I've said so far and I'll keep coming back and defending my stance as long as necessary.

It's so silly, IMHO, to say that just because I may have unknowingly broken a rule or law that I have no right to judge another human being.

I have never broken a Disney rule or a law.

And to set the record straight, I haven't called anyone directly a "liar, cheat and sneak" but I have called their possible 'actions' lying, cheating and sneaking because that is what it is.

Not buying a 3 year old a ticket which is a minimum of $172.53 (for a 4-day advance purchase) or more, doesn't even compare to all the other comparisons others here have made (speeding, bringing snacks in the park); it's like comparing apples and oranges.

I get worked up over this because I feel strongly about it just as others feel strongly about parents who do not buy their baby a seat on a plane or parents who let their 4 year old go in a car on vacation with no car seat (at least neither of those are against the rules/laws). I was in the same situation. I chose to go to WDW 2 weeks AFTER my 3 year old's birthday to enjoy Halloween at WDW. I bought my DD the ticket, of course. So it does bother me when other think the rule/law doesn't apply to them. And all the lame excuses...

IMHO, if you want to break a rule/law, have the decency to keep it to yourself. You broadcast it in a public forum, it's going to get heated and it's going to bother some people who do follow the rules/laws. It's like bragging.

Again, no matter how you try and insult me and make excuses, it's still wrong and it still would be stealing. It shouldn't even be debatable.

 

[mickeymousefan]

The point is that we have ALL (every single one of us) broken rules at one time or another, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Everyone does not see things the same way and we all have different opinions. Not buying a ticket for a three year old is not as harmful as not having him in a car seat or giving him his own seat on a plane!!! In fact not buying him a ticket will not harm anyone in any way, he is too young to know the rules.
Since we all break rules, we all have different "moral thresholds". Chances are you will do something I would never do and vice versa. You can say it is like comparing Apples and Oranges, but when you get down to it... they are both fruit aren't they?

I do agree that asking a question like this in a public forum is going to result in "strong opinions". But I dont think that was the intention of the OP. She didn't ask us if she should or shouldn't do it. She even said she probably wouldn't. She was asking if anyone else had and how it worked out.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by mickeymousefan
The point is that we have ALL (every single one of us) broken rules at one time or another, whether intentionally or unintentionally. Everyone does not see things the same way and we all have different opinions. Not buying a ticket for a three year old is not as harmful as not having him in a car seat or giving him his own seat on a plane!!! In fact not buying him a ticket will not harm anyone in any way, he is too young to know the rules.
Since we all break rules, we all have different "moral thresholds". Chances are you will do something I would never do and vice versa. You can say it is like comparing Apples and Oranges, but when you get down to it... they are both fruit aren't they?

I do agree that asking a question like this in a public forum is going to result in "strong opinions". But I dont think that was the intention of the OP. She didn't ask us if she should or shouldn't do it. She even said she probably wouldn't. She was asking if anyone else had and how it worked out.

How can you make a claim like that? How do you know every single one of us has broken a rule? You know this as fact? I know we are all sinners but we all break rules? I disagree strongly with that statement.

I only mentioned the car seat and airplane issues as example of issues others feel strongly about and judge others on all the time (in the Transportation Board). I feel strongly about this one, obviously, and that is why I keep replying in this thread. Someone suggested I "protest too much", I'm just explaining why.

It's stealing and it is wrong. I'm just voicing my opinion on the subject. All the excuses in the world won't make it right or ok. Why don't you write Disney and get their opinion on the subject and see if they are hurt by it. I think they are certainly hurt by it.

Some 3 year olds do know their age, though, and what if a smart CM asks them their age as they go threw the turnsile and they say they are 3??? The CMs certainly have been known to strike up a conversation with the little ones. Then what? And if you have any older kids, they'll figure it out. They're smarter than we think. So although a 3 year old may not know the rules, it still can cause harm in many other ways.

 

[mickeymousefan]

Ok, the thought that there is someone out there who has NEVER broken a rule is absurd!!!!!!!!!! Going 1 mile over the speed limit is breaking a rule!!! 11 items in the 10 items and under line- breaking the rules. Did you ever sit on the railing or stand in front of the yellow line while waiting to get on a ride- hey... thats against the rules too. At some time or the other we all break the rules. We are all human- NO ONE is perfect.

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by mickeymousefan
Ok, the thought that there is someone out there who has NEVER broken a rule is absurd!!!!!!!!!! Going 1 mile over the speed limit is breaking a rule!!! 11 items in the 10 items and under line- breaking the rules. Did you ever sit on the railing or stand in front of the yellow line while waiting to get on a ride- hey... thats against the rules too. At some time or the other we all break the rules. We are all human- NO ONE is perfect.

So you are calling me absurd?? Hmmm...

I never said anyone was perfect did I? We are all sinners. BUT that does not mean that everyone in the world has broken rules/laws.

This is waist of time. You will NEVER change my mind. I have a right to judge what this person is considering doing. I have a right to give my opinion. Don't like it, then don't read my posts.

There are people in the world who follow rules and laws. Sorry that shocks you.

 

[mickeymousefan]

My post said "the thought" was absurd... not you.

And really... I have no desire to change your mind. Just as you stand by your opinion... I stand by mine.

 

[Bella the Ball 360]

mickeymousefan

I agree with you obviously but I think it is falling on deaf earsl Give it up as I plan to.

As to being a sinner or judging anyone else well, in my religion it is not for us "mere mortals" to judge anyone else. Or should I say, "judge not lest ye be judged." Isn't it amazing how many cliches and quotes are applicable to this situation.

I think the person who started this thread must be fairly new to these boards. It was an innocent question and I do not think he/she really expected to be villified. I have been in the hot seat before and it amazes me as to how totally unkind and narrow minded some people can be. Actually, I find it kind of scary bordering on cultish and about what? A THEME PARK!!!

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Bella the Ball 360
As to being a sinner or judging anyone else well, in my religion it is not for us "mere mortals" to judge anyone else. Or should I say, "judge not lest ye be judged." Isn't it amazing how many cliches and quotes are applicable to this situation.

I think the person who started this thread must be fairly new to these boards. It was an innocent question and I do not think he/she really expected to be villified. I have been in the hot seat before and it amazes me as to how totally unkind and narrow minded some people can be. Actually, I find it kind of scary bordering on cultish and about what? A THEME PARK!!!

Wow, you didn't want to leave this thread without throwing out some more insults my way, huh? Let's see, I'm unkind, narrow-minded and I must belong to a cult?

All because I think sneaking a 3 year old in to WDW without purchasing the ticket is wrong. Oh well, I think thou does protest too much.

It's amazing that just pointing out the obvious can get some people so upset.

Giving my opinon on whether to do something that is obviously wrong is perfectly acceptable. Sorry you don't get that.

 

[Julia M]

Originally posted by beattyfamily
Again with the "if you've ever broken a rule or a law then you have no right to judge". That's just not true. We all judge each other every single day.

The only reason I keep replying is because people keep replying to my posts. I'm not ashamed of my opinion or what I've said so far and I'll keep coming back and defending my stance as long as necessary.

It's so silly, IMHO, to say that just because I may have unknowingly broken a rule or law that I have no right to judge another human being.

I have never broken a Disney rule or a law.

And to set the record straight, I haven't called anyone directly a "liar, cheat and sneak" but I have called their possible 'actions' lying, cheating and sneaking because that is what it is.

Not buying a 3 year old a ticket which is a minimum of $172.53 (for a 4-day advance purchase) or more, doesn't even compare to all the other comparisons others here have made (speeding, bringing snacks in the park); it's like comparing apples and oranges.

I get worked up over this because I feel strongly about it just as others feel strongly about parents who do not buy their baby a seat on a plane or parents who let their 4 year old go in a car on vacation with no car seat (at least neither of those are against the rules/laws). I was in the same situation. I chose to go to WDW 2 weeks AFTER my 3 year old's birthday to enjoy Halloween at WDW. I bought my DD the ticket, of course. So it does bother me when other think the rule/law doesn't apply to them. And all the lame excuses...

IMHO, if you want to break a rule/law, have the decency to keep it to yourself. You broadcast it in a public forum, it's going to get heated and it's going to bother some people who do follow the rules/laws. It's like bragging.

Again, no matter how you try and insult me and make excuses, it's still wrong and it still would be stealing. It shouldn't even be debatable.

Three comments (see, I said I was ending my posting here and didn't........I guess I am a liar )

Beattyfamily:
1. What did I specifically say that was "insulting"? I'm just curious. Because I thought I made it clear, I was just clarifying what the OP wrote. She wasn't asking for opinions, she was asking what would happen if she did it. I think that's why people felt your comments were out of line. Had she asked "Is this right thing to do?", your comments would have been absolutely appropriate.

2. Actually, I think that speeding can be MUCH WORSE than not buying a 3 year old a ticket. Just the other day, where I live, speeding caused 3 fatalities, including an innocent mother and young child. I'd prefer to have people not buying their 3 year old a ticket, than speeding on the streets where I live.

3. A comment: I also used to be bothered when I heard of other people "breaking the rules' when I followed them. Then I discovered how much happier I was when I focused on WHY I followed them.....because that's the kind of person I want to be.

Julia

 

[beattyfamily]

Originally posted by Julia M
Three comments (see, I said I was ending my posting here and didn't........I guess I am a liar )

Beattyfamily:
1. What did I specifically say that was "insulting"? I'm just curious. Because I thought I made it clear, I was just clarifying what the OP wrote. She wasn't asking for opinions, she was asking what would happen if she did it. I think that's why people felt your comments were out of line. Had she asked "Is this right thing to do?", your comments would have been absolutely appropriate.

2. Actually, I think that speeding can be MUCH WORSE than not buying a 3 year old a ticket. Just the other day, where I live, speeding caused 3 fatalities, including an innocent mother and young child. I'd prefer to have people not buying their 3 year old a ticket, than speeding on the streets where I live.

3. A comment: I also used to be bothered when I heard of other people "breaking the rules' when I followed them. Then I discovered how much happier I was when I focused on WHY I followed them.....because that's the kind of person I want to be.

Julia

'You' as in the group of posters who continue to respond to me, not you personally.

I think speeding is very dangerous too! It is different than not buying a 3 year old a ticket. That was my point; that it is silly to compare them. I wouldn't.

Good for you.

 

[HenDuck]

We paid for DS's ticket to DL in April. He was 3+. For me, it was just a matter of kharma. It was DS's first trip to DL and I did not want to do anything to jinx it. Silly, I know.

Also, my kid knows how old he is, right down to "three-and-a-HALF". So he would tell any CM who asked.

I'm glad I paid for the ticket. I paid for his seat on the plane too. It's just a cost I factor in. Don't even give it a second thought.

The nice thing was the CM at Plaza Inn didn't charge us for DS's character breakfast with Pooh and friends. So I guess in the end, we inherited good kharma.

Pixie dust to the OP, whatever you decide.