2 Officers shot in Dallas tonight during police protest rally

[JimMIA]

Unfortunately, the people who are going to pay the greatest price for this murderous rampage are the people of Dallas, and the hardest-hit will be the most vulnerable.

Real police work on the street is almost totally self-initiated -- nobody tells cops to check out gang members, and nobody watches to see if they do. Cops go after bad guys because it's what they do. When attacked, the police withdraw like they have in Baltimore, and Chicago, and many other cities. Many resign; others change their approach to the job. If people are trying to kill you and your brothers and sisters (of all races), you adopt what law enforcement folks call "low-risk behaviors."

Cops under attack ask themselves, "Should I put my life on the line, or my career on the line, or my family on the line to protect people who want to kill me? Naw, I'll just low-profile it and go home to the suburbs at the end of my shift." They withdraw that "thin blue line," especially in high-crime areas where they are needed the most -- and in the case of racially-motivated violence like this, especially from those racial majority neighborhoods. They surrender the streets to the thugs. The thugs thrive, the politicians thrive, the good people of those communities (90+% of the population) suffer.

 

[Airship Ariadne]

I guess I have more faith in the goodness of mankind and the honor of police officers here in Texas.

 

[mnrose]

 

[Nancyg56]

This is a direct result of some of the political posturing, by the governor of Minnesota and others, in the aftermath of the other recent officer-involved shootings. Race baiting politicians think "No crisis should go to waste."



Murders are up something like 400% in Baltimore after their race riots, but those victims don't matter either. The politicians also blew the prosecutions of the officers they thought were responsible -- so nobody pays except the innocent people of Baltimore.

Only the votes and fundraising matter.

I removed the numbers you had quoted. While I believe that the exact number of shootings is not the argument, I know that others do.

I agree. Between 24 news outlets vying for ratings and politicians vying for votes, this was bound to happen. What I am appalled by id that so far we have no report on what had actually happen, just bits and pieces, yet we all seemed to be in the know. So here we are, police officers ambushed. And who takes responsibility? Those who ratchet up the hysteria? Nope. They do not care.

In the meantime, this is what we face. I don't pretend that every LEO will make the appropriate decision in every situation. I cannot pretend that there are no LEO's who use their Shield to carry out their own agenda. My community just got rid of the Chief and his captain after close to 2 years of working towards that goal. In this case it was our own officers who bore the brunt of their brutality. But what we learned through that journey is that the majority of LEO's are dedicated men and women who know their community, protect our community and want the best for our community. We also learned that for most communities, the officers worry abaout ambush but the citizens don't evn realize that they face this every time they respond to a call.

 

[CPanther95]

The most idiotic response possible for those concerned about bias.

 

[JimMIA]

I removed the numbers you had quoted. While I believe that the exact number of shootings is not the argument, I know that others do.

I don't think anyone was trying to split hairs -- some of the numbers I used earlier were inaccurate, and someone properly corrected me.

 

[Nancyg56]

The most idiotic response possible for those concerned about bias.

Do you mean the ambush? Yes, but I don't believe for one minute that the shooters or shooters cared about bias any more that I believe that the shooter at Pulse cared about some ISIS ideal. No. People who do this kind of thing use events to justify murder. To justify their martyrdom by violence.

People who truly believe that there is bias hatred and racism work to change that. They do not plan to murder. Thye care about their actions and make sure that thei actions help and not harm their cause. It is never easy to make change, but people who believe strongly in a cause wok towards the goal. They don't shoot the messenger.

 

[Nancyg56]

I don't think anyone was trying to split hairs -- some of the numbers I used earlier were inaccurate, and someone properly corrected me.

I know that, but I was not sure of any number and knew that there had been corrections down thread so I did not want to muddy the water. I'm sorry if I did not explain well.

 

[asta]

From abc news:
One of the suspects in the ambush-style shootings in Dallas that left five police officers dead overnight told a hostage negotiator he was upset about the recent police shootings of two black men and he wanted to kill white people, especially police officers, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said at a news conference this morning.

I woke up to this horrific and expected news about the motivation for this slaughter. I think it is safe to say this was racial hatred inflamed by recent rush to judgement against police incidents. Disgusting.

 

[GaryDis]

The most idiotic response possible for those concerned about bias.

I'm sorry, I'm not sure what the antecedent is to that statement.

 

[Nancyg56]

From abc news:
One of the suspects in the ambush-style shootings in Dallas that left five police officers dead overnight told a hostage negotiator he was upset about the recent police shootings of two black men and he wanted to kill white people, especially police officers, Dallas Police Chief David Brown said at a news conference this morning.

I woke up to this horrific and expected news about the motivation for this slaughter. I think it is safe to say this was racial hatred inflamed by recent rush to judgement against police incidents. Disgusting.

Or it was finally a reason to justify mass murder. I think that rational people do not respond by planning to murderr, but that people who are looking for a reason to literally go up in flames in a blaze of their own glory will eventually find their reason. This is why I wish that the folks commenting on TV and making all kinds of statements based on opinions rather than facts would please, for the love of all that is holy, stop. This is going to get worse if politicians and pundits are not responsible.

 

[robinb]

I just woke up this terrible news! My thoughts go out to the families and friends of the people killed and injured last night.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Or it was finally a reason to justify mass murder. I think that rational people do not respond by planning to murderr, but that people who are looking for a reason to literally go up in flames in a blaze of their own glory will eventually find their reason. This is why I wish that the folks commenting on TV and making all kinds of statements based on opinions rather than facts would please, for the love of all that is holy, stop. This is going to get worse if politicians and pundits are not responsible.

Yes. One of them men speaking at the press conference early expressed similar thoughts about the shooters motivations. He basically said that is what the shooter is saying about his motivations but his actions don't make sense as a normal reaction and just because he's saying he wanted to kill white people that doesn't mean we should jump to the conclusion that there isn't more to it.

Unfortunately that just what so many do (jump to conclusions) and any other reasons behind this will get lost. Again it'll be a case of people making quick decisions on what this horrific situation was about and a real positive, forward moving conversation will not occur.

 

[Tuffcookie]

This is so sad. Two wrongs never make it right.

TC

 

[MariMama]

So what happens now? The same thing that always happens after events like these. There will be lots of hand wringing and angst among people, questions like "how can this happen" and "this needs to stop" and non-stop coverage by the media ~ until the next big story takes over and for the majority of the public, this will fade into the background and we'll go on about our lives like nothing ever happened.

 

[rickybobby]

Yes. One of them men speaking at the press conference early expressed similar thoughts about the shooters motivations. He basically said that is what the shooter is saying about his motivations but his actions don't make sense as a normal reaction and just because he's saying he wanted to kill white people that doesn't mean we should jump to the conclusion that there isn't more to it.

Unfortunately that just what so many do (jump to conclusions) and any other reasons behind this will get lost. Again it'll be a case of people making quick decisions on what this horrific situation was about and a real positive, forward moving conversation will not occur.

But the protest that was ongoing at the time of the shootings brought out all these officers as crowd control. The protest was in regards to two incidents still under review. Rush to judgment?

 

[MariMama]

But the protest that was ongoing at the time of the shootings brought out all these officers as crowd control. The protest was in regards to two incidents still under review. Rush to judgment?

I'm not blaming the protestors. From what I can piece together, the protest was peaceful and almost done when the snipers started shooting. They weren't part of the protest.

Whether we (collective we) agree with them or not, they have the right to gather and protest.

 

[rickybobby]

I'm not blaming the protestors. From what I can piece together, the protest was peaceful and almost done when the snipers started shooting. They weren't part of the protest.

Whether we (collective we) agree with them or not, they have the right to gather and protest.

You are not getting my point. The poster was saying not to rush to judgment about the true intentions of the police shooters. But isn't that what the protesters were doing in the first place, protesting the police shootings based on some video snippets, and nothing more?

 

[MariMama]

You are not getting my point. The poster was saying not to rush to judgment about the true intentions of the police shooters. But isn't that what the protesters were doing in the first place, protesting the police shootings based on some video snippets, and nothing more?

Yes, which is within their rights to do. The difference is they weren't murdering anyone.

 

[rickybobby]

Yes, which is within their rights to do. The difference is they weren't murdering anyone.

You win, just too smart for me.