(2) Gosselin kids expelled from school for bullying

[DisneyMomx7]

It's sad but I honestly believe those kids grew up watching their mother bully EVERYONE she came in contact with - their father, the crew, employees, etc.

All I keep wondering is how bad could they have been if Maddy was able to go to this school without being expelled - I've NEVER seen a child throw fits the way she does.

 

[C.Ann]

It's sad but I honestly believe those kids grew up watching their mother bully EVERYONE she came in contact with - their father, the crew, employees, etc.

All I keep wondering is how bad could they have been if Maddy was able to go to this school without being expelled - I've NEVER seen a child throw fits the way she does.

I think you just pointed out why some people are actually shocked.. If it had been Mady, I don't think many of the people on this thread would have even been surprised - let alone shocked..

She's always had a nasty, nasty temper - and for the most part Kate would just roll her eyes and say, "That's just Mady being Mady.." (I remember Jon reprimanding her several times for temper tantrums and such..)

 

[cm8]

I think this is one of those instances where the apple(s) didn't fall far from the tree.

In my opinion Kate can be abbrasive. Children need to learn (usually by example) how to be assertive without being condesending or rude. I'm sorry, but I don't feel as if their mother has learned that yet either.

Like any large family, be they multiples or not, all the children are different. We've got three, and often wonder to ourselves how three kids raised in the same house by the same parents could be so different. They are all individuals, as I'm sure are the Gosselin children.
That being said, there are bound to some that have more aggresive personalities. Which is absolutely fine, and generally will serve them well later in life. Yet, equally as important is that they are shown by example how to compliment those traits with humility and kindness so as to balance and channel their more assertive personalities in a positive manner.



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[DMRick]

All I keep wondering is how bad could they have been if Maddy was able to go to this school without being expelled - I've NEVER seen a child throw fits the way she does.

When they split, supposedly all of the kids got counseling (according to TLC). Mady has been a much different little girl, IMO on the last couple of specials. I really enjoyed her on the Alaska special. She seemed so mujch more grown up. I'm sure it was hard for both her and Cara when the six were born. I've seen jealousy when there was only one new baby, that need lots of attention. Mady seems to like attention, and once the 6 were here, I think she lacked it, so she did stuff to get more...just like kids not on TV would do.
Both Kate and Jon have given Mady time out, and reprimanded her, although one thing that I do think was right..That WAS Mady..her temperament, the way she acted. Cara has been growing up in the same house, with the same parents and yet we don't see her acting like that (and back to the old saying, we don't know how much was/is editing from TLC to keep people talking about the show). All of my kids are different..and I had my own Mady (well, maybe not just like Mady, but she spent her own time in time out..so stubborn!)..thank God she grew out of it. Now we can kid about it.
Part of me wants to know, just what did the little ones do to get expelled. The other part of me hopes they don't say..but if they don't, everyone will assume the worse they can, so I don't know which is best for the kids, that people know, or they don't. Either way, even if the blame is going on their mom for the example people think she sets, the kids are the ones that will pay because of the gossip about them and their temperaments. Poor Mady will see the nasty things people have said about her, and while it's easy to say, it's her mom's fault for putting her out there..it's adults doing the talk about her on the internet, saying what they feel she is like, and she's the one that it will hurt.
Just my opinion..ymmv.

 

[DisneyMomx7]

I would suggest to Kate then if you don't want people commenting on your daughter's bad behavior then don't put it out on television for the whole world to see.

I will admit that I stopped watching the show awhile ago so maybe Maddy's behavior has improved drastically. I was skimming the channels one night and saw a small part when they were on Sea World and from what I saw Maddy was still having a temper tantrum. Of course I didn't see the whole episode so I could be wrong on that one.

To me the whole thing in a nutshell goes back to what the kids have observed. If you see your mother bullying people than I would guess it would seem normal to you.

 

[kidshop]

When they split, supposedly all of the kids got counseling (according to TLC). Mady has been a much different little girl, IMO on the last couple of specials. I really enjoyed her on the Alaska special. She seemed so mujch more grown up. I'm sure it was hard for both her and Cara when the six were born. I've seen jealousy when there was only one new baby, that need lots of attention. Mady seems to like attention, and once the 6 were here, I think she lacked it, so she did stuff to get more...just like kids not on TV would do.
Both Kate and Jon have given Mady time out, and reprimanded her, although one thing that I do think was right..That WAS Mady..her temperament, the way she acted. Cara has been growing up in the same house, with the same parents and yet we don't see her acting like that (and back to the old saying, we don't know how much was/is editing from TLC to keep people talking about the show). All of my kids are different..and I had my own Mady (well, maybe not just like Mady, but she spent her own time in time out..so stubborn!)..thank God she grew out of it. Now we can kid about it.
Part of me wants to know, just what did the little ones do to get expelled. The other part of me hopes they don't say..but if they don't, everyone will assume the worse they can, so I don't know which is best for the kids, that people know, or they don't. Either way, even if the blame is going on their mom for the example people think she sets, the kids are the ones that will pay because of the gossip about them and their temperaments. Poor Mady will see the nasty things people have said about her, and while it's easy to say, it's her mom's fault for putting her out there..it's adults doing the talk about her on the internet, saying what they feel she is like, and she's the one that it will hurt.
Just my opinion..ymmv.

Regular disclaimer...I did not see the Alaska show, but I read that Mady did not appear in much of it. I also read there is a backstory to why, the gossip is she and Kate had a physical altercation that the cameramen had to intervene to stop. So Mady did not go on some of the stuff they did. I did see some weird pictures of a sobbing Mady while everyone else just grins away on Perez. I have not been keeping up with Gosselin rumors, but Michael Bolton and Jon both said something about physical incidents, I believe. I haven't figured out how Bolton is involved LOL.


I have a (boy) Mady too, and 2 regulars! I feel for that little girl, I don't think she can help much of her outbursts. She is wired that way, she is not all the horrible things people say about her. I hope she never googles herself. Her parents did that to her for fun and profit.

 

[DMRick]

I would suggest to Kate then if you don't want people commenting on your daughter's bad behavior then don't put it out on television for the whole world to see.u.

I don't know that Kate ever said anything about people commenting on her (Mady's) behavior. I personally feel bad for Mady (nothing to do with Kate) that so many people are saying things about a little girl. She has been on TV..that has already happened, but I still feel bad that the adults on the internet have posted some of the nasty things about her. Some of the comments on the rag mags comment section are just terrible. Call her mom names, but geesh, she's just a little girl.

I have no idea if she and Kate had an rgument, but many parents and kids do, so it could very well have been. Mady has been on both of the past two specials, and her behavior was good. In the past they said if she didn't want to be on, she didn't have too, so if she had an argument with her mom and decided not to be on, and they didn't make her, good for them.

I agree..I think that is how she is wired.

 

[Holly]

I don't know anything about how she's wired, but Mady is one of eight children. She's an older sibling in a single parent family with eight children.

She learned somewhere along the way that negative attention is better than no attention.

 

[DMRick]

I agree. Sort of like the show..negative attention is better than none. And one thing this show gets, is attention. Both kinds. People disklike it or like it,(or could care less about it!) but for TLC, it's working. Even at their lowest ratings, they are beating other cable shows.

I don't know anything about how she's wired, but Mady is one of eight children. She's an older sibling in a single parent family with eight children.

She learned somewhere along the way that negative attention is better than no attention.

 

[C.Ann]

Don't know who their sources are, but it looks like "Kate Plus 8" may be over - and any hopes of her own show don't look all that promising either..


http://www.metrowny.com/blogs/archives/405-Is_Kate_Gosselin_done_on_TLC_after_tonight.html


If this is true, I certainly hope that she has saved a big chunk of the money that the Gosselin kids have generated for the family all these years.. If not, she'll have to dip into the kids college funds - if they have any - or give up the fancy life and cut back on things, like so many other families are having to do..

 

[kidshop]

It was Eric Roberts who commented on kate, not Michael Bolton. Sorry, I hate when I mix up my gossip!


http://www.metrowny.com/blogs/archi...y_as_bad_a_mother_as_Eric_Roberts_thinks.html

They will be airing the halloween special thanksgiving weekend, so it's not over yet.

 

[C.Ann]

It was Eric Roberts who commented on kate, not Michael Bolton. Sorry, I hate when I mix up my gossip!


http://www.metrowny.com/blogs/archi...y_as_bad_a_mother_as_Eric_Roberts_thinks.html

They will be airing the halloween special thanksgiving weekend, so it's not over yet.

Yup - another source said that "she" had until the end of this year to get the ratings back up and if not, bye-bye...

It appears from everything else I've seen, any hopes of her own show - the one that was all the buzz awhile back - is dead in the water.. I was actually hoping that wouldn't happen - so she could support the kids on her own without sticking them on tv - but it's not looking good..

 

[walden]

I always hate when folks focus on poor little Mady. Remember, she is only 10. And many of her televised melt-downs were when she was much younger than 10.

Why do I shudder at targeting Mady? Because Mady's behaviors seem to reflect Kate's behaviors. Learned behavior? She acts out (melts down) in exactly the same way that Kate acts out (and melts down)! She is punished (or lambasted on the net) for those behaviors; but Kate is praised for many similar over-dramatic melt downs. On TV.

I have always thought that Mady is the resiliant child. The bellwhether, if you will. She cried for help long ago, remember the televised sign saying no cameras in her and Cara's bedroom?

I do agree that the "expulsion" language is very strong. It is interesting to me that no media outlet (pro-Kate or anti-Kate) has actually negated that language.

If it had been a voluntary withdrawal of 2 of the tups from private school because they were *not ready* I would have expected that to be made public. By Kate. Simply because the *misinformation* on expulsion out there on the Internet will follow those kids for a long time.

The lack of a denial of "expelled" from Kate's corner makes me believe that it was, in fact, expulsion. No school expels a child without reason.

I repeat, children are not expelled from school on a whim. Be it private or public school.

I am sad for the Gosselin kids who have been through an awful lot. I wish them well and free from filming while the whole family recovers from the divorce and the incessant filming of their infant and early childhood years.

 

[disney_family_1247]

I love how people are so in denial about what makes kids into bullies or misbehave in general. Guess what? Some of us don't have kids who "fight like cats and dogs". Do they ever disagree? Yes. Not the same as constant bickering. Bad parenting is the cause of 95% of small kids problems. Six year old bullies are the direct result of their parents lack of skills and negative modeling.

 

[Mermaid02]

I love how people are so in denial about what makes kids into bullies or misbehave in general. Guess what? Some of us don't have kids who "fight like cats and dogs". Do they ever disagree? Yes. Not the same as constant bickering. Bad parenting is the cause of 95% of small kids problems. Six year old bullies are the direct result of their parents lack of skills and negative modeling.

do you have a Link?

 

[DMRick]

do you have a Link?

I'd like to see that link too. Many have mentioned families with the same parenting for all of their children, and yet, while one child may have problems, others don't. There have been Pastors that I have known, or known ofthat have had kids with problems, and yet a single mom working full time with little in the way of time to offer their kids have had kids turn out super.

I don't deny that bad parenting goes a long way towards bad kids, but there are bullies and kids in trouble with great parents too.

 

[focusondisney]

Said they're gonna talk about this on The View; haven't yet.

 

[tink1969]

really this again. They didn't exploit there kids. You don't even watch the show so how do you know what is going on

Really? Did you watch the show?
The Gosselin family lives are now 'public' and they will be for a long time I'm sure. If you watched the show from the very beginning, Kate clearly berated Jon on a regular basis. She was constantly telling him what to do, and if he didn't do just right, she gave him hell. The kids were subject to seeing their mother 'bullying' their own father on a regular basis. It's publicly documented on the Jon and Kate Plus 8 show. Go back and watch the first few years of the show and you will see. And Kate was probably trying to be on her best behaviour in front of the cameras! That's a joke in itself!

 

[focusondisney]

Well, I did watch all of the View, & I didn't see them say anything, even tho they promo'd it in the opening. I wonder why they decided not to comment on this?

 

[C.Ann]

http://www.kidglue.com/2010/11/15/kate-gosselins-kids-expelled-from-school/

Kate Gosselin’s Kids Expelled from School!
By Heather B on November 15th, 2010

Collin and Alexis Gosselin, both 6 years old, are now being homeschooled. However, reports of the Gosselin kids running wild and acting out have been extremely exaggerated, a source tells PEOPLE magazine.

“The situation is being grossly overstated. The kids are going through a challenging time, but Kate doesn’t feel this is something that should be discussed publicly. It is a private matter.”

Each of their eight children have had “difficult moments” in dealing with Jon and Kate’s divorce, but Kate insists that overall their brood have weathered the storm.

“They’re just amazing, resilient, loving kids,” she told PEOPLE recently.

Previously the Mom and reality star was under fire for allegedly screaming, “You’re embarrassing me!” at one of her daughters after discovering she had been suspended from school.

New York City psychologist Dr. Gilda Carle told Holly Baby [via Kid Glue], “Here’s a kid who’s acting out, and Kate makes this all about her! What Kate should do is discuss with her daughter why she’s acting out – not by yelling or lecturing her, but by listening to what the child has to say.”

Do you think homeschooling will help Collin and Alexis?