13 Year old gir declared brain dead has now officially died

[bcla]

Thanks. Since there is irreversible cessation of all brain functions has there been a death certificate?

An agreement has been reached that allows the family to transport her body. Part of the agreement included the Alameda County Coroner's Office issuing a death certificate along with consent for them to transport the body.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/03/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-hospital/4307907/

Addendum: Cause of death is not listed because there has been no autopsy. I'm curious as to what happens if they can't get her body back to perform an autopsy. like the family refuses, it's too far away, or perhaps in another state.

 

[mefordis]

An agreement has been reached that allows the family to transport her body. Part of the agreement included the Alameda County Coroner's Office issuing a death certificate along with consent for them to transport the body.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/03/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-hospital/4307907/

I'm guessing they are taking her to an undisclosed long term care facility. They probably have donors paying for it. Will the insurance company pay for care past the death certificate date of Dec 13?

 

[mnrose]

They still have to find a place to take the girl in this condition. And, so far, there simply isn't any place. And, no place reputable is going to take a dead body. They just aren't. It defies common sense.

Also, unless this family has the private pay resources to cover the expenses of a nursing home (assuming they find one in the business willing to accept a dead patient), no facility is going to willingly accept this expense.

Of course, I stand by my original view that her heart will stop beating when she is moved. A ventilator isn't moving with her.

 

[mnrose]

I'm guessing they are taking her to an undisclosed long term care facility. They probably have donors paying for it. Will the insurance company pay for care past the death certificate date of Dec 13?

Uh. No. Heck, insurance companies resist paying for living patients. I'm pretty sure they won't pay for the dead. I have a feeling this expense is being dumped on Children's Oakland.

 

[barkley]

An agreement has been reached that allows the family to transport her body. Part of the agreement included the Alameda County Coroner's Office issuing a death certificate along with consent for them to transport the body.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/03/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-hospital/4307907/

this will be interesting as far as how her care will be paid for. since the death certificate reads she passed on 12/12 it's anyone's guess what a private insurance company would do. as for public assistance Medicaid-if she was on it (at least when I administered the program in California) she would have been discontinued as of 12/31, and if she wasn't on it the death certificate would preclude any eligibility for a new application.

the death certificate will also make for an interesting law suit-how can a hospital (if found negligent) be compelled to pay for 'continuing medical care' beyond the legal date of death?

 

[skylizard]

Addendum: Cause of death is not listed because there has been no autopsy. I'm curious as to what happens if they can't get her body back to perform an autopsy. like the family refuses, it's too far away, or perhaps in another state.

I don't think they can refuse an autopsy, can they?

 

[hereyago]

this will be interesting as far as how her care will be paid for. since the death certificate reads she passed on 12/12 it's anyone's guess what a private insurance company would do. as for public assistance Medicaid-if she was on it (at least when I administered the program in California) she would have been discontinued as of 12/31, and if she wasn't on it the death certificate would preclude any eligibility for a new application.

Well so far the gofundme is up to almost 45,000, I know that isn't even a drop in the bucket for how much this all costs, but that should go towards it. Then Terri Shaivo's brother, I feel sorry for him, but he is gotten all into I wonder if his foundation in Terri's name is or will help?

 

[bcla]

I don't think they can refuse an autopsy, can they?

What can California law do if the body is transported to another state?

 

[MSLRAC]

I don't think they can refuse an autopsy, can they?

I would imagine that they could refuse to turn over the body. These people are delusional now and I doubt that they will get any better once the child's heart finally stops beating and they accept her death.

I'm also curious if a true cause of death can even be determined at this point...or whenever the coroner finally get the body.

 

[JanaDee]

I don't think they can refuse an autopsy, can they?

In a normal death, yes, but with potential lawsuits pending, I don't think so.

 

[TLSnell1981]

Marlise was just 14 weeks pregnant and sorry, but her rights of not wanting to be hooked up should outweigh a fetus of that age. I can see if she were really far along they could take it then, but it is hard to fathom people saying protect yourself (which I wholeheartedly agree with) with DNR, etc. Then if she were even newly pregnant that goes out the window.

The crux of this shouldn't be hey she has a fetus(unless she has made it known while pregnant to do everything possible in case something happens) but her rights and wishes were totally dismissed.

I found it ironic that a woman can get an abortion, but if she is dead in some states and even if she is alive in some states want to play "nanny state", it is very scary.

No one knows how long Marlise was "gone" before her husband found her. the baby has a heartbeat, but the doctors have to wait until 24 weeks I think it is to do tests to see if any harm was done while getting no oxygen.

One life is lost, but possibly another can be saved. It doesn't matter "how far along" the baby is...

 

[CDoobee]

Where can I find this "nurse website" several of you have mentioned?

Thanks

 

[Lorelei Lee]

In a normal death, yes, but with potential lawsuits pending, I don't think so.

I don't think a coroner in California can compel an autopsy of a body that is not located in his jurisdiction.

Given that there will undoubtedly be a malpractice claim, I have no doubt that the family will arrange for an autopsy when the girl "dies", i.e., when her heart stops beating.

 

[MSLRAC]

One life is lost, but possibly another can be saved. It doesn't matter "how far along" the baby is...

But no one knows what quality of life that baby will have if it manages to survive. They do not know how long it was deprived of oxygen. The poor husband has lost his wife and I can't imagine what he will go through if his child is born and there is something seriously wrong with it and he then faces a lifetime of care for that child...a child that might have been better off passing on with it's mother.

 

[JanaDee]

One life is lost, but possibly another can be saved. It doesn't matter "how far along" the baby is...

The fetus was deprived of oxygen for possibly over an hour. What kind of life do you think that child will have? What kind of life do you think the child's father/caretaker will have, being forced to care for this child that should have died with its mother?

The woman's wishes should have been taken into consideration and she should have been taken off life support. Frankly, I find it appalling that the state of TX thinks they know better when it comes to something like this.

That is all I can say without crossing over into political territory.

 

[DisneyJamieCA]

An agreement has been reached that allows the family to transport her body. Part of the agreement included the Alameda County Coroner's Office issuing a death certificate along with consent for them to transport the body. http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/01/03/jahi-mcmath-brain-dead-hospital/4307907/ Addendum: Cause of death is not listed because there has been no autopsy. I'm curious as to what happens if they can't get her body back to perform an autopsy. like the family refuses, it's too far away, or perhaps in another state.

So does the mean that come Tuesday, if the body hasn't been moved, the hospital can disconnect life support? Or is there still an opening for them to come back on Tuesday and file another motion? Are they still waiting on the federal court to rule?

 

[mnrose]

The fetus was deprived of oxygen for possibly over an hour. What kind of life do you think that child will have? What kind of life do you think the child's father/caretaker will have, being forced to care for this child that should have died with its mother?

The woman's wishes should have been taken into consideration and she should have been taken off life support. Frankly, I find it appalling that the state of TX thinks they know better when it comes to something like this.

That is all I can say without crossing over into political territory.

The really ironic thing is that this is brought to you by the same people who claim there is too much government intrusion and power. Wow. Just wow.

 

[Lorelei Lee]

But no one knows what quality of life that baby will have if it manages to survive. They do not know how long it was deprived of oxygen. The poor husband has lost his wife and I can't imagine what he will go through if his child is born and there is something seriously wrong with it and he then faces a lifetime of care for that child...a child that might have been better off passing on with it's mother.

In reproductive issues, the patient and her doctor make the decisions, and in "end of life" scenarios, the patient and the family make the decision, but when a pregnant patient dies, the state steps in and usurps the rights of the patient and her family.

The poor husband may not be prepared to raise a normal child, let alone one that maybe born with deficits or handicaps.

 

[skylizard]

Where can I find this "nurse website" several of you have mentioned?

Thanks

http://allnurses.com/nursing-news/gi...41-page39.html

 

[TLSnell1981]

The really ironic thing is that this is brought to you by the same people who claim there is too much government intrusion and power. Wow. Just wow.

Really? Wow!