12 year olds drinking O'Douls...appropriate?

I used to beg for sips of my Dad's beer because I loved the taste. I was way younger than 12. I haven't ever tasted O'Douls so I can't say whether I would have liked it or not.

I don't drink beer any more and really didn't drink that much of it when I was younger and of age.
 
I think anybody who would let their kid drink Odouls is setting them up to be a lifelong drinker. Who acquires a taste for beer at the ripe old age of 12? That ridiculous. If those ppl were good friends of mine I would have taken mom in the other room and said REALLY? If the kid likes the beer flavor I am sure he will grow up to be a drinker. And in that case, mom and dad will probably start letting him when he is 15 or 16. That whole OH I AM GOING TO LET MY KID DRINK AT HOME TO BE SAFE thing ppl say when they have a big old parenting FAIL and let their young kids drink booze.
Why is growing up to be a "drinker" a bad thing if they are taught how to enjoy alcohol responsibly? Yes, statistically kids who are allowed to drink at home are less likely to die in an alcohol related auto accident. My DD is only 7, but I can see allowing her at 16-18 to have a glass of wine with us at dinner if she so chooses, and I don't think that is a parenting fail at all, but a responsible step in the direction of teaching my child how to behave responsibly with alcohol.
 
I used to beg for sips of my Dad's beer because I loved the taste. I was way younger than 12. I haven't ever tasted O'Douls so I can't say whether I would have liked it or not.

I don't drink beer any more and really didn't drink that much of it when I was younger and of age.

My mom liked to host cocktail parties. When I was 5 or 6, I'd get up early in the morning and finish the dregs of their drinks (except for the ones with drowned cigarettes in them :upsidedow).

I grew up to be a non-drinker. I don't drink at all. Nothing moral about it - I just don't like the taste or the way it makes me feel.
 
I think anybody who would let their kid drink Odouls is setting them up to be a lifelong drinker. Who acquires a taste for beer at the ripe old age of 12? That ridiculous. If those ppl were good friends of mine I would have taken mom in the other room and said REALLY? If the kid likes the beer flavor I am sure he will grow up to be a drinker. And in that case, mom and dad will probably start letting him when he is 15 or 16. That whole OH I AM GOING TO LET MY KID DRINK AT HOME TO BE SAFE thing ppl say when they have a big old parenting FAIL and let their young kids drink booze.

What the heck is a lifelong drinker? My dh's grandmother had a glass of wine every day with dinner, she lived to be 94, I guess she was a lifelong drinker ;).
If you mean an alcoholic, there is quite a difference between one who drinks (even for their lifetime), and an alcoholic.
 

I can't imagine letting my DD drink like that before she was 21. We are wine drinkers, we actively drink wine around her. She sees it used to enhance food, responsibly. Would I let her drink and non alcoholic wine before she was 21....NO WAY. It is encouraging the behavior.

We had a big fancy celebratory dinner recently and as usual a special bottle of wine was picked to go with it. She asked to have her lemonade in a wine glass. I let her but I felt wrong doing it.
 
Why is growing up to be a "drinker" a bad thing if they are taught how to enjoy alcohol responsibly? Yes, statistically kids who are allowed to drink at home are less likely to die in an alcohol related auto accident. My DD is only 7, but I can see allowing her at 16-18 to have a glass of wine with us at dinner if she so chooses, and I don't think that is a parenting fail at all, but a responsible step in the direction of teaching my child how to behave responsibly with alcohol.

Where did you read that statistically kids who drink at home are less likely to die in alcohol related auto accidents?

Letting your kids drink at home, is no guarantee that they are going to use alcohol responsibly at all. I know many students who were allowed to drink at home, and they crash cars while drunk driving, get fired for jobs as they have hangovers, and get caught cheating on exams as they were up partying the night before in their family rooms so they couldn't be bothered to study.

Not really sure why so many parents assume that by letting their underage kids consume alcohol at home, that this is actually going to be a positive force in their responsible alcohol consumption? That is as absurd as me thinking that by hiding alcohol from my kids, that they won't drink at all. Neither are guarantees at all, as there are so many other factors at play with underage drinking...

Tiger
 
Any sensible 12 yr old would take one sip and say "I'll wait till I'm 21 for the real stuff."
 
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I can't imagine letting my DD drink like that before she was 21. We are wine drinkers, we actively drink wine around her. She sees it used to enhance food, responsibly. Would I let her drink and non alcoholic wine before she was 21....NO WAY. It is encouraging the behavior.

We had a big fancy celebratory dinner recently and as usual a special bottle of wine was picked to go with it. She asked to have her lemonade in a wine glass. I let her but I felt wrong doing it.
I don't understand. Why do you not want to encourage the responsible behavior you are exhibiting in regards to alcohol??
 
Where did you read that statistically kids who drink at home are less likely to die in alcohol related auto accidents?

Letting your kids drink at home, is no guarantee that they are going to use alcohol responsibly at all. I know many students who were allowed to drink at home, and they crash cars while drunk driving, get fired for jobs as they have hangovers, and get caught cheating on exams as they were up partying the night before in their family rooms so they couldn't be bothered to study.

Not really sure why so many parents assume that by letting their underage kids consume alcohol at home, that this is actually going to be a positive force in their responsible alcohol consumption? That is as absurd as me thinking that my hiding alcohol from my kids, that they won't drink at all. Neither are guarantees at all, as there are so many other factors at play with underage drinking...

Tiger
Nothing is a gurantee. I never said that. I did however say that studies bear out that children who have ahd responsible behavior in regards to alcohol modeled by the adutls in thier lives on a consistent basis are ore likely to have a healthy relationship with alcholo than those whose parents bhave hidden thier alcohol use form them or abused alcohol. I don't think it is absurd at all to think that teaching responsible alcohol use at home might translate to responsible use away from home. We teach our teens responsible driving behavior when we are with them in hopes that they will exhibit responsible behavior when we are not with them. If we didn't believe it made a difference we wouldn't bother.
 
Nothing is a gurantee. I never said that. I did however say that studies bear out that children who have ahd responsible behavior in regards to alcohol modeled by the adutls in thier lives on a consistent basis are ore likely to have a healthy relationship with alcholo than those whose parents bhave hidden thier alcohol use form them or abused alcohol. I don't think it is absurd at all to think that teaching responsible alcohol use at home might translate to responsible use away from home. We teach our teens responsible driving behavior when we are with them in hopes that they will exhibit responsible behavior when we are not with them. If we didn't believe it made a difference we wouldn't bother.

The problem with that is that teens act differently when in the presence of their parents. Many of those same teens will act way differently in the company of 16 year olds, then with adults.

So, letting them drink at your dining room table, is no guarantee that they are going to behave the same way when drinking underage at a party.

So many parents believe like you do that this approach is the answer, but there is great divide with this Meditarranean approach to drinking.

There are just too many factors that go into underage drinking for it to be as easy as kids learning responsible drinking at home, and carrying out that responsibility into the community. We have some dead teens here in our city whose parents thought the same thing, but when in the company of their friends, and under the influence of substances, things can happen way differently than in the comfort of one's living room with mom and pop.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I definitely know it's not as easy as this.

Tiger
 
I don't think letting children drink a bottle of O'Douls is teaching them to drink responsibly. I would probably be taken aback if I saw a tween doing that too. Children learn from example. I think seeing their parents having a glass of wine at dinner or a beer after work without "drinking to get drunk" is a great way to teach proper alcohol use.

Seems like non-alcoholic beer can be sold to minors in some states, but not in others. That alone makes this subject controversial. I don't get the whole "It's the same as a Shirley Temple" argument.
 
I don't get the whole "It's the same as a Shirley Temple" argument.
Because people give their kids non-alcoholic cocktails, some of which are closer than others to the taste of the real thing but all of which are fakey cocktails served as if they're cocktails alongside adults having alcoholic cocktails.

This was a fake beer served, presumably, alongside adults having alcoholic beer.
 
I think that there is a HUGE difference between a fruity non-alcoholic cocktail and an OD.

Call it what you wish, but a non-alcoholic cocktail is basicly a slushie or smoothie or punch or whatever... Which are clearly okay for children by most anybody's standard.

IMHO, that is just not the case with something like the OD. Nothing 'fruity', 'slushie', or 'smoothie' about it. No question in my mind...

Would I think this is appropriate... NO... I would not.
I would not do this with my son, now 13 years old.

Same goes for the Energy Drinks...

He has seen other kids acting cool about going around with these in their hand.
Similarly to what many others have posted, we have let him 'try' them.
But, would I spend money to buy them for him and enable him to put inappropriate crap in his body.
No Way.

But, then again, no way would DH and I ever have beer, OD, Energy Drinks, or any other such stuff in our home and drink it in front of him.
NOT because we are trying to 'shield' him. But because, we just would never want to!!!!

Just because its not fruity or slushie doesn't mean its not ok! It just means its not the taste YOU would choose. As for the near beer or energy drinks being "crap", the virgin cocktails aren't exactly healthy, so why are they ok?

Regardless of what anyone thinks, the kid may like the taste. Stranger things have happened!

If they are not giving the kid alcohol then it really isn't anyone's business.
 
Because people give their kids non-alcoholic cocktails, some of which are closer than others to the taste of the real thing but all of which are fakey cocktails served as if they're cocktails alongside adults having alcoholic cocktails.

This was a fake beer served, presumably, alongside adults having alcoholic beer.

Those non-alcoholic cocktails are not outlawed to minors in some states. It's really not the same, especially if you live in one of the states that makes it illegal for minors.
 
The problem with that is that teens act differently when in the presence of their parents. Many of those same teens will act way differently in the company of 16 year olds, then with adults.

So, letting them drink at your dining room table, is no guarantee that they are going to behave the same way when drinking underage at a party.

So many parents believe like you do that this approach is the answer, but there is great divide with this Meditarranean approach to drinking.

There are just too many factors that go into underage drinking for it to be as easy as kids learning responsible drinking at home, and carrying out that responsibility into the community. We have some dead teens here in our city whose parents thought the same thing, but when in the company of their friends, and under the influence of substances, things can happen way differently than in the comfort of one's living room with mom and pop.

I'm not sure what the answer is, but I definitely know it's not as easy as this.

Tiger
Nothing is that simple. Teaching kids to drive, relationships with the opposite sex, ect. But in all other avenues we attempt to model and teach responsible behavior at home before we send them out into the world to do those things. Of course they are going to act differently around thier friends. They are also gonig to drive differently with their friends in the car and interact differnetly with thier bf/gf when I am not there. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to teachthem how to do the roght thing however. Nothing is a magic cure for teenage stupidity, but we as parants hould do everything we vcan to teach our kids how to avoid stupidity. WE wouldn't put them on the road without teaching them to drive, so why do we not apply the same logic to drinking? I am not saying that any of this can totally prevent kids form making poor choices, but how do we expect them to make good decisions and behave responsibly in any avenue if we haven't taught them how?
 
Those non-alcoholic cocktails are not outlawed to minors in some states. It's really not the same, especially if you live in one of the states that makes it illegal for minors.

Parents giving alcohol to their kids isn't outlawed in some states. I don't think O'Doul's is illegal for a minor anyplace. It's sold as non-alcoholic.
 
Those non-alcoholic cocktails are not outlawed to minors in some states. It's really not the same, especially if you live in one of the states that makes it illegal for minors.
I don't know of any state where it is illegal for a minor to consume NON-ALCOHOLIC beer. Can you show us that state statute?
 
I don't think letting children drink a bottle of O'Douls is teaching them to drink responsibly. I would probably be taken aback if I saw a tween doing that too. Children learn from example. I think seeing their parents having a glass of wine at dinner or a beer after work without "drinking to get drunk" is a great way to teach proper alcohol use.

Seems like non-alcoholic beer can be sold to minors in some states, but not in others. That alone makes this subject controversial. I don't get the whole "It's the same as a Shirley Temple" argument.

Those non-alcoholic cocktails are not outlawed to minors in some states. It's really not the same, especially if you live in one of the states that makes it illegal for minors.

Its illegal for minors to purchase alcohol, but there are States where a parent can give their minor child alcohol in their own home. A glass of wine with dinner, or even a beer. In this case a parent gave a 12 year old a non alcoholic drink, where is the controversy in that :confused3
Oh and for reference, that kid would have to drink 10 ODs in order to get the same amount of alcohol contained in 1 beer.
 
Because people give their kids non-alcoholic cocktails, some of which are closer than others to the taste of the real thing but all of which are fakey cocktails served as if they're cocktails alongside adults having alcoholic cocktails.

This was a fake beer served, presumably, alongside adults having alcoholic beer.
Exactly. Kids get "virgin" cocktails when adults are drinking the real ones that they cannot have. Non-alcoholic beer is no different.
 
Nothing is that simple. Teaching kids to drive, relationships with the opposite sex, ect. But in all other avenues we attempt to model and teach responsible behavior at home before we send them out into the world to do those things. Of course they are going to act differently around thier friends. They are also gonig to drive differently with their friends in the car and interact differnetly with thier bf/gf when I am not there. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't try to teachthem how to do the roght thing however. Nothing is a magic cure for teenage stupidity, but we as parants hould do everything we vcan to teach our kids how to avoid stupidity. WE wouldn't put them on the road without teaching them to drive, so why do we not apply the same logic to drinking? I am not saying that any of this can totally prevent kids form making poor choices, but how do we expect them to make good decisions and behave responsibly in any avenue if we haven't taught them how?

For me, you have the underage element. In letting your kids drink at home, you are saying that it's ok to break the law, and that the law should not be respected, so there is that element.

Also at issue is that this isn't a guarantee for future responsible drinking, and may backfire, so that wouldn't be good either.

I totally get your point, but then why not apply that to sex and other behaviours as well? Most parents I know aren't teaching their kids through role modelling of sexual positions, yet somehow, things work out. Another example is marriage - no one gets to practice marriage as teens. Most of us only get married 1x, and that is it. Now, marriage may not kill someone like binge drinking can, but a failed marriage can ruin a life too. With this belief though, you are assuming that your children will binge drink and can't possibly be responsible without drinking practice at home. I say there are lots of teens who choose not to drink, and there are lots who drink for the first time when they are older, and they are fine.

I am of the belief that kids can learn about certain things in a responsible and mature manner without actually partaking in those activities. It takes a lot of work from parents, educators, and a good, positive group of friends, but it can be done, as I have seen it, and am living proof of it.

This attitude that all teens will binge drink and drive drunk is confusing to me, as not all teens will do this. And, for the large groups who do, there are a lot more factors going on in their brains that brought them to that choice, and I would say that drinking with mom and dad is probably not going to be that much help when peer pressure or depression/anxiety are the driving forces behind why many teens drink.

Like we all know, it's a difficult topic, and that is why so much research is being done in this area in regards to binge drinking, parents allowing kids to drink at home, best age for drinking age, etc.

Best of luck to all of you who are parenting teens, Tiger
 

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