100% resale??

[Nursemanit]

For sure, just saying there are options. It's not like you can't stay at Riviera if it's important to you. If you're comfortable renting on these boards you can generally rent anything at $20 per point and essentially make an even trade point for point with the exceptions of okw and ssr, they tend to go for $18. The commercial sites will basically cost you $5 per point in exchange. And yes you give up some flexibility on dates and can't cancel but you get 11 months.... It's a trade off. You can also transfer points and control them too. Again there's options. Too much of a hassle for some I'm sure, like you say personal choices.

Totally comes down to individual choice and circumstance, for me 11 month availability at my home resort was most important thing because I can't get studios or standard view 1 bedroom at BLT 7 months out. VGF totally different story, if that resort were my thing I almost certainly would've bought direct. It's the only direct resort priced even remotely reasonable vs resale.

What I meant by going often and/or long enough was basically whether or not APs made sense vs regular tickets and whether you're spending enough n merch and food for discounts to add up.

I am in the same boat - if you only want a one-week vacation a year at WDW and you don't like RR or VGF as your #1 choice to stay - DVC is basically forcing you into resale with the inflated prices on sold-out resorts. For a single person or a couple ( no kids) for 1 week a year - I calculated that I could pay $25 more a point for direct and make it up over 10 years.

 

[Sandisw]

For sure, just saying there are options. It's not like you can't stay at Riviera if it's important to you. If you're comfortable renting on these boards you can generally rent anything at $20 per point and essentially make an even trade point for point with the exceptions of okw and ssr, they tend to go for $18. The commercial sites will basically cost you $5 per point in exchange. And yes you give up some flexibility on dates and can't cancel but you get 11 months.... It's a trade off. You can also transfer points and control them too. Again there's options. Too much of a hassle for some I'm sure, like you say personal choices.

Totally comes down to individual choice and circumstance, for me 11 month availability at my home resort was most important thing because I can't get studios or standard view 1 bedroom at BLT 7 months out. VGF totally different story, if that resort were my thing I almost certainly would've bought direct. It's the only direct resort priced even remotely reasonable vs resale.

What I meant by going often and/or long enough was basically whether or not APs made sense vs regular tickets and whether you're spending enough n merch and food for discounts to add up.

And home resort, regardless, IMO should always be the most important thing!

As you say, wanting a sold out resort like BLT makes it impossible to go direct without buying something else and hoping for 7 month availability to keep the price difference within reason.

We go a lot but shorter trips with makes the AP worth it. We also added our adult kids as owners to one of our memberships so they can take advantage of APs too as they don’t live with us anymore. Since some of them would do only the yearly trip, they would simple get two in on one AP like 51 weeks apart and only have to buy a ticket every other year.

For sure, there are ways to get what you want and depending on how often you want to go to restricted places can make a difference in what strategy will work.

 

[holden]

We have two contracts, both at BLT bought resale in 2014 so we are grandfathered.

 

[What-r-ya Goofy?]

We are all resale owning several contracts at three different resorts including RIV. The most cost effective way for us to enjoy DVC has been resale purchases with AP's. We have saved a significant amount of money buying resale over direct and the AP's get us into the parks mostly unmolested and discounts on food and merchandise.

I hope that Disney reinstates the AP program taking into consideration the difference between how locals use their AP's as opposed to AP holders coming from out of state on longer stays. There must be a solution that can add value for everyone.

We are happy being resale owners and haven't felt that we have missed out all that much by not being direct members. If someday DVC makes it a real disadvantage to not own direct, I'll take the money I saved by buying resale and purchase a contract direct at the latest and greatest restricted resort. I think that truly would be the best of both worlds.

 

[HappyDisneyWife]

Hi, Can I hear from any long term resale only members? I’m assuming a lot of people have both direct and resale. We have resale and are thinking about adding on. Direct is a little tempting due to the ease and no restrictions but it is $$$…

So, I don’t think a single person has actually fit the bill that you’re looking to hear from (all restricted resale)… and I’m not either but we were pretty close until recently. Before adding on in March, we had over 800 points and only 32 of them were direct (but 212 were unrestricted).

I’m not exactly sure what you’re trying to find out- but I’m glad we purchased the majority of our points resale bc I really enjoy having several home resorts, and the direct prices were just too much higher than resale for us to consider the sold out resorts that we really wanted to buy. However, when we started talking about adding on at VGF last year, we decided to wait & see what new direct sales were offered & we continued to watch the resale market. The margin was almost nonexistent when we bought, and I have learned that I really do value unrestricted points… so going direct was the right choice for us this time. After that purchase, 2/5 of our points are now unrestricted & 3/5 remain restricted. As time goes on, we will probably sell off some older/expiring points to buy into newer resorts (if we really love them )… and each time, we’ll see if the savings are “worth it” to us to buy restricted points again or if direct is better for us (for how we plan to use the points- not based on perks). And, yes, I’m even willing to buy über-restricted points if I truly love a resort & the savings are good (like I did when we bought RIV resale!).

I hope I answered your Q at least a little

 

[GreyTami]

FWIW, we are total resale on two contracts that were not grandfathered. Checking out with mobile at World of Disney, 20% discount was auto applied, and at Beaches and Cream when she asked I told her we were resale, she said if it shows on your profile I can apply the discount, I showed her my profile that had a DVC number so she applied the discount. Not sure what is going on, as we should be DVC N, not sure why the discount is working but I will take it for today! Don’t buy annual passes, occasionally use Chase discount from Disney card, but so happy to be DVC members no matter the perks (or lack thereof).

 

[DsneyDude1]

But 10% with Visa requires $50 purchase. I don’t need that for DVC. I get 20% with no minimum purchase. A few places I get more than 10% on dining and a few places DVC is even better than AP or Disney Visa. Plus, there have been times when they offered 30%. And, that can add up over time.

Of course, direct isn’t the only place to get a discount. And buying for perks should never be the deciding factor.…however, unrestricted points has nothing to do with perks.

That is in the POS that they can be used at RIV and all future DVC resorts.

Resale locks you out of it all…direct gives you the ability to qualify for whatever perks do exist.

For us, direct is worth the extra money. For others it is not. But, direct does give you something resale does not and that is a fact.

No one is lying about anything. They just have decided, like we did, that the benefits we do get for direct were worth it in the long term. No need to bash someone for what is an individual choice and both are good deals depending on your personal circumstances.

We went direct for 100 OKW points that I needed for my future GV bookings with my grandsons. Did it after multiple ROFR fails. One of the ways I justified it...If I could get a $130 OKW through (good luck) on a 2042 contract, the direct gives me another 15 years. I figure in 2042, with 15 years left, $70 per point is probably a realistic price to sell at. Which would then make the 2 contracts a wash at a 13K net.

 

[dvc lover 1970]

I have mix of direct and resale points, but most my points are grandfathered - pre 2016. The only thing that makes the direct contract worth it are the AP discounts - which is no longer offered. Also the only way AP is worth it is if you go mulitple times per year or stay for extended periods of time. the other discounts - do not justify the cost of direct. IMO, even if resale restrictions are the way of the future on new resorts, I would probably buy resale at my resort choice.

 

[Sandisw]

I have mix of direct and resale points, but most my points are grandfathered - pre 2016. The only thing that makes the direct contract worth it are the AP discounts - which is no longer offered. Also the only way AP is worth it is if you go mulitple times per year or stay for extended periods of time. the other discounts - do not justify the cost of direct. IMO, even if resale restrictions are the way of the future on new resorts, I would probably buy resale at my resort choice.

The ability to use your points at RIV and future resorts is also a big benefit and might make it worth it to buy direct. But, in terms of membership extras? The Sorcerer's Pass is for sure a big plus...when they are on sale.

 

[Brian Noble]

...and if you can use it to make two trips in a year.

 

[Paul Stupin]

...and if you can use it to make two trips in a year.

We plan on going two weeks twice a year, and were lucky to have purchased our sorcerer passes (mostly to be able to make park reservations) last October. With all the craziness and some unexpected business stuff, our first trip since we bought the passes is coming up in a few weeks. They’re not even activated yet! Am glad I bought when I did.

Agree with everyone’s comments re the tangible blue card benefits of being able to book new resorts and purchase (ultimately) annual passes with the DVC discount. We own a mix of resale and direct points, and all those fun little extras like the Epcot and Top Of The World lounge, moonlight magic, etc actually mean something to me. It’s not their monetary value, it’s their value as unique, unexpected perks of being a part of Disney, and the satisfaction that comes with it. It’s not like any DVC purchase, whether resale or direct, is a brilliant investment decision, so why not embrace this aspect of buying direct as well? I know, I know, every resale owner is quick to point out that blue card benefits are never guaranteed, that they can disappear at a moment’s notice, blah blah blah, but new ones can pop up at a moment‘s notice too. And my guess is that more rather than less benefits are on the way.

These smaller blue card benefits aren’t the reason I bought direct, but I still really like them.

 

[RoseGold]

So, I don’t think a single person has actually fit the bill that you’re looking to hear from (all restricted resale)…

I do, and I'm on Page 1. But yea, after VGF not as many of us white cards around.

 

[disneyfan123]

I was kinda surprised to see how much overlap the Disney visa has with merch discounts from Blue Card.

The only perk I might miss would be doing an event but that would be a one and done and not worth the thousands extra I would have paid to get a home resort I wanted.

That being said if you want VGF as your home resort - buy direct as the resale is way too high vs direct. Probably the only time now and in the future a new owner will get direct for so close to resale.You literally could make up the difference on perks

This is why I bought direct VGF2 points when they first went on sale. It was an easy decision to buy direct because they were being sold at close to resale value (I paid $186/point). Sure I could save a few thousand buying resale, but at that small of a price difference, getting blue card status and the ability to use those points at every future resort made direct a no-brainer. Our first contract was resale and I would buy resale again if the savings vs. direct are large enough.

 

[Sandisw]

We plan on going two weeks twice a year, and were lucky to have purchased our sorcerer passes (mostly to be able to make park reservations) last October. With all the craziness and some unexpected business stuff, our first trip since we bought the passes is coming up in a few weeks. They’re not even activated yet! Am glad I bought when I did.

Agree with everyone’s comments re the tangible blue card benefits of being able to book new resorts and purchase (ultimately) annual passes with the DVC discount. We own a mix of resale and direct points, and all those fun little extras like the Epcot and Top Of The World lounge, moonlight magic, etc actually mean something to me. It’s not their monetary value, it’s their value as unique, unexpected perks of being a part of Disney, and the satisfaction that comes with it. It’s not like any DVC purchase, whether resale or direct, is a brilliant investment decision, so why not embrace this aspect of buying direct as well? I know, I know, every resale owner is quick to point out that blue card benefits are never guaranteed, that they can disappear at a moment’s notice, blah blah blah, but new ones can pop up at a moment‘s notice too. And my guess is that more rather than less benefits are on the way.

These smaller blue card benefits aren’t the reason I bought direct, but I still really like them.

Just to clarify that the ability to stay at RIV and future resorts has nothing to do with the blue card benefits.

Membership extras..blue card or DVC Y..is not what gets you the ability to use points. That is written into the POS and part of DVC resort agreements and terms with BVTC.

Someone can add in direct 100 points and have access to RIV and future resorts with those points and still not have that blue card.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Just to clarify that the ability to stay at RIV and future resorts has nothing to do with the blue card benefits.

Membership extras..blue card or DVC Y..is not what gets you the ability to use points. That is written into the POS and part of DVC resort agreements and terms with BVTC.

Someone can add in direct 100 points and have access to RIV and future resorts with those points and still not have that blue card.

Yes, of course, but I would guess that a good percentage of direct point purchases (as well as 100% of new members who buy direct) also qualify for the blue card, no?

 

[Sandisw]

Yes, of course, but I would guess that a good percentage of direct point purchases (as well as 100% of new members who buy direct) also qualify for the blue card, no?

Most likely, but I think it’s important that people understand that the two are not related in anyway.

Membership extras are incidental benefits and don’t have to be offered. They can go away tomorrow. The DVC Y or blue card is needed to qualify for those.

The use of points at RIV and future resorts actually requires a change to the POS and the agreement with BVTC. While that is also possible, it’s a mi h different process. IMO, it’s the reason that they grandfathered all points purchased prior to 2019 to be eligible for RIV and future resorts,

The POS and DVC resort agreements were updated with new language and by grandfathering, those owners aren’t impacted by the change…and yes, I know some still think it should not have been done.

When people say having a blue card enables you to stay at RIV, and future resorts, that implies they are connected.

I think it’s why we see question about using resale points with direct points because they have the blue card and think that means all points could be used.

I mean, I can sell a contract that made me eligible, lose my blue card, but still have access to using points for RIV and future resorts.

 

[Paul Stupin]

Most likely, but I think it’s important that people understand that the two are not related in anyway.

Membership extras are incidental benefits and don’t have to be offered. They can go away tomorrow. The DVC Y or blue card is needed to qualify for those.

The use of points at RIV and future resorts actually requires a change to the POS and the agreement with BVTC. While that is also possible, it’s a mi h different process. IMO, it’s the reason that they grandfathered all points purchased prior to 2019 to be eligible for RIV and future resorts,

The POS and DVC resort agreements were updated with new language and by grandfathering, those owners aren’t impacted by the change…and yes, I know some still think it should not have been done.

When people say having a blue card enables you to stay at RIV, and future resorts, that implies they are connected.

I think it’s why we see question about using resale points with direct points because they have the blue card and think that means all points could be used.

I mean, I can sell a contract that made me eligible, lose my blue card, but still have access to using points for RIV and future resorts.

Thanks for clarifying!

 

[Genie+]

Restricted points don’t matter much to us. The mantra is ‘buy where you want to stay’ because 7 month availability seems to only get harder each year. Booking outside 7-11 months usually involves some kind of compromise (unless you’re interested in a lower demand resort/category), regardless if points are restricted or not.

 

[Craho]

Are buying re-sale BCV and BWV contracts totally off the table for most prospective buyers because of the 2042 expiration? Everyone says buy where you want to stay and these are my two favorite resorts. I’m new to all of this.

 

[NEW-B]

Are buying re-sale BCV and BWV contracts totally off the table for most prospective buyers because of the 2042 expiration? Everyone says buy where you want to stay and these are my two favorite resorts. I’m new to all of this.

My opinion is that these two are prime location resorts for walking to epcot and studios and there is nothing else that gives you that option. If you want to enjoy that for the next 19 years I’d say it’s well worth it.