Guardians of the (Epcot) Galaxy

[lockedoutlogic]

I truly believe they are going to try everything not cut anything from Star Wars and make cuts everywhere else. If they screw up Star Wars people are not gonna be happy and I think they realize that.

There's some cracks in your armor there...

Listen...I'm on board in thinking that the internal goal is to prioritize the Star Wars project above all others...especially after the Chinese nonsense...

But I can't trust them to stick to it...if a recession hits, a stock market dip happens...nothing is sacred.

Or...if things are good or even get better - they might decide that they might as well save some money to buy more wax for the yacht...

This is one of those cases where you gonna have to yield to a little bit of wisdom that comes with age on this one, my friend.

 

[rteetz]

There's some cracks in your armor there...

Listen...I'm on board in thinking that the internal goal is to prioritize the Star Wars project above all others...especially after the Chinese nonsense...

But I can't trust them to stick to it...if a recession hits, a stock market dip happens...nothing is sacred.

Or...if things are good or even get better - they might decide that they might as well save some money to buy more wax for the yacht...

This is one of those cases where you gonna have to yield to a little bit of wisdom that comes with age on this one, my friend.

Whatever you say but I'm sticking with my opinion and I know you'll disagree with me but I don't think this has to do with age either.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Whatever you say but I'm sticking with my opinion and I know you'll disagree with me but I don't think this has to do with age either.

Of course it does...much of the ongoing discussions around here are comparisons of "old Disney" to new Disney and how they operate...that is a lot of observations.

For some...it's the days of walt...for me and others...it's Miller and Eisner...

For others...it's Iger and stories...

Now...there haven't been enough Books to cover everything...even for the highly educated on this.

But neither here nor there...no big deal.

We'll see on Star Wars. I'm not convinced they have good ideas in the first place...regardless of budget.

 

[LSLS]

I'm with LOL. I don't think they are going to cut budget (and certainly think it will be the last thing cut). But I also don't think they prioritize SWL over stock and more money, and I think we have seen enough examples of extreme shortsightedness by the execs to know that if trends continue, they won't just eat it and make no cuts. Like I said, it would be a terrible move, and completely shortsighted, but we have seen that done so many times (especially over the last 12 months), I'm just not going to rule it completely out, especially with the crazy deals they are having to offer.

 

[jknc]

I truly believe they are going to try everything not cut anything from Star Wars and make cuts everywhere else. If they screw up Star Wars people are not gonna be happy and I think they realize that.

I've got several friends with kids same ages as mine who do not plan to go to WDW until SWL opens. They have the means and we are all an 8 hour drive from WDW, so it's not exactly worlds away.

My point is how many other families are thinking the same thing? Not making a trip until SWL opens.

The folks I know have not bothered to take their kids to WDW whatsoever, so when SWL opens this seems like a one and done trip for them.

Perhaps Disney views SWL the same. Nothing more than a single IP that will bring in the one and done guest and never see them again. You have to assume the bean counters are working all the SW consumer analytics to maximize the extraction of funds from those folks when they arrive.

 

[rteetz]

I've got several friends with kids same ages as mine who do not plan to go to WDW until SWL opens. They have the means and we are all an 8 hour drive from WDW, so it's not exactly worlds away.

My point is how many other families are thinking the same thing? Not making a trip until SWL opens.

The folks I know have not bothered to take their kids to WDW whatsoever, so when SWL opens this seems like a one and done trip for them.

Perhaps Disney views SWL the same. Nothing more than a single IP that will bring in the one and done guest and never see them again. You have to assume the bean counters are working all the SW consumer analytics to maximize the extraction of funds from those folks when they arrive.

I think there will always be one and done guests no matter what they do. Look at potter for example. Hogsmeade opened and attendance for IOA jumped way up. Then it settled a bit. Diagon alley opens UOR attendance jumps way up, then settles again. When SWL opens it will be the same attendance will jump way up but then likely settle. Since Iger has been in control I'd argue they aren't after the repeat customers they are after the one timers because that's who is going to spend the most. Star Wars is larger than potter though and Disney knows in order for a jump like that they need to do it right just like universal did potter right. If star wars isn't done well they aren't going to have that jump and they aren't going to get as many one timers.

 

[manakin]

I have a question....it is Guardian of the Galaxy really so famous in US?

because here in Europe if you ask someone about that they'll say that it's just a film that went out sometimes ago...really, no popular at all

 

[HuskieJohn]

I don't really want a Guardians ride in Epcot, it seems like it doesn't belong. I'd much rather get a Wall-E ride and pavillion, about recycling and saving the planet and an Inside Out pavillion, showing the inner workings of the human brain.

+1 I would also much rather see a WALL-E ride which could easily give some minor educational element to make the EPCOT diehards happy too.

 

[HuskieJohn]

I have a question....it is Guardian of the Galaxy really so famous in US?

because here in Europe if you ask someone about that they'll say that it's just a film that went out sometimes ago...really, no popular at all

It did well in the theaters but I didn't think it was anything special at all. If it weren't for one of infinity stones being in the film I wouldn't have bothered seeing it at all...same for Thor 2.

 

[circus4u]

I have a question....it is Guardian of the Galaxy really so famous in US?

because here in Europe if you ask someone about that they'll say that it's just a film that went out sometimes ago...really, no popular at all

I have never seen it, but then, we are not into the super heroes, Marvel anything.

 

[rteetz]

I have a question....it is Guardian of the Galaxy really so famous in US?

because here in Europe if you ask someone about that they'll say that it's just a film that went out sometimes ago...really, no popular at all

It was fairly popular. US loves Chris Pratt so I'm sure that helped.

 

[ColoradoDreamin]

Ok...full confidence?

Anyone think there's no chance of a budget cut?

Come on...

Full confidence...I am certain they will not make any cuts to Star Wars. The only budge cuts possible is if they budget is exceeded for Star wars and they cut something else as a result. You don't know what Disney sees in this franchise (and what it is getting) if you think otherwise

 

[ColoradoDreamin]

I've got several friends with kids same ages as mine who do not plan to go to WDW until SWL opens. They have the means and we are all an 8 hour drive from WDW, so it's not exactly worlds away.

My point is how many other families are thinking the same thing? Not making a trip until SWL opens.

The folks I know have not bothered to take their kids to WDW whatsoever, so when SWL opens this seems like a one and done trip for them.

Perhaps Disney views SWL the same. Nothing more than a single IP that will bring in the one and done guest and never see them again. You have to assume the bean counters are working all the SW consumer analytics to maximize the extraction of funds from those folks when they arrive.

Actually to your point - this is what is going to hurt Disney the most now -- people are holding back on trips to wait for SWL (and to a lesser extent Pandora). I think people have discounted too much what this effect has done. And for that reason as well, Disney will have to dedicate the resources to make Star Wars land hit the mark. And there is so many fans, people will be coming to see it for a lot longer than Harry Potter (and I think Harry Potter is great, but is nothing compared to the Star Wars fan base)

 

[Josh Hendy]

Star Wars is huge alright but that doesn't mean that Disney can't and won't nickel-and-dime Star Wars Land. In fact they may be thinking, better to get the rides and gift shops up and running and streamline everything else.

Disney management might conclude that Star Wars is so huge the fans will put up with something that has large and impressive looking facades, but is not incredibly finely detailed and immersive.

In other words ... the supposedly relatively bigger fan base of Star Wars might make Star Wars Land bigger and higher capacity, but not necessarily micro-themed to the point where people will spend hours lingering over the minor details.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Full confidence...I am certain they will not make any cuts to Star Wars. The only budge cuts possible is if they budget is exceeded for Star wars and they cut something else as a result. You don't know what Disney sees in this franchise (and what it is getting) if you think otherwise

Oh boy...

"You don't know what Disney sees in this franchise"?

Fill me in...what don't I get? Star Wars? (I wouldn't go there). Or how Disney thinks? (I wouldn't go there either)

I'm open to suggestions. As long as it's not "such and such on X board posted it and hes always right"

Or my other favorite "I know people on the inside..."

...it better be John Lasseter or above...and even he probably isn't good enough to guarantee anything...

You want to talk about consistency? The Walt Disney company is an olgarchy run by 1 guy with a favorable board. Eisner created it...Iger continues it. And so that is the only place where anything definitive lies.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Actually to your point - this is what is going to hurt Disney the most now -- people are holding back on trips to wait for SWL (and to a lesser extent Pandora). I think people have discounted too much what this effect has done. And for that reason as well, Disney will have to dedicate the resources to make Star Wars land hit the mark. And there is so many fans, people will be coming to see it for a lot longer than Harry Potter (and I think Harry Potter is great, but is nothing compared to the Star Wars fan base)

If they're one and doners...they largely don't care. As long as they get there. If enough cause a quarterly or yearly dip that can't be explained away? Then I do agree. Or if the DVC sell market is affected/dries up...

 

[lockedoutlogic]

It was fairly popular. US loves Chris Pratt so I'm sure that helped.

I think the previous poster elaborated on what I was getting at.

There's a difference between making a lot of money at the box office and being a solid franchise to take into three dimensions...

Marvel had a lot Of the former due to history and legacy...and a lot of the latter.

Where does guardians fall?

And...is it possible that two big money developments - one in AK and one in Epcot - are going to draw any buzz in 10 years if they are "type A"?

It's not like Hollywood has been writing articles asking "do we need more avatar?" Recently...

...right?

 

[PuppyJonathan]

I have confidence, they know the juggernaut Star Wars Land will end up as

 

[lockedoutlogic]

I have confidence, they know the juggernaut Star Wars Land will end up as

Yeah...but that wasn't the question...

It was do you have full confidence they won't cut corners or reduce budget?

...which they've done on every non-Joe rohde project in Florida?

And not only that...to be honest we would likely never know if they did...it's all theoretical...lots of clueless "insiders" spouting off...which is part of the game.

But you bring up another good point...are you fully confident that they can build a really good Star Wars land? Do they have the talent and engineering skill to do That?

That's not a "silly" question...it could easily be elaborate facades and misguided or unimaginative rides/shows...that isn't out of the question.

 

[rteetz]

Yeah...but that wasn't the question...

It was do you have full confidence they won't cut corners or reduce budget?

...which they've done on every non-Joe rohde project in Florida?

And not only that...to be honest we would likely never know if they did...it's all theoretical...lots of clueless "insiders" spouting off...which is part of the game.

But you bring up another good point...are you fully confident that they can build a really good Star Wars land? Do they have the talent and engineering skill to do That?

That's not a "silly" question...it could easily be elaborate facades and misguided or unimaginative rides/shows...that isn't out of the question.

Can you just accept that some people here disagree with you? Yes we know the history of this company but they have never had an IP like Star Wars before.

And enough with the Joe Rohde hating we get it you don't like hi but you don't need to keep mentioning it.

I have full confidence that Disney will not reduce budgets or cut corners for Star Wars.

I have full confidence that Disney can build a really good Star Wars lad and that they have the talent and engineering skill to do so.

Do I need to sign it too?